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#51

Mid-Atlantic / Re: King Coal / Tolsia Highway...

Last post by Bitmapped - July 21, 2025, 06:26:35 PM

Drove up to Gilbert yesterday via Williamson and the existing section of the King Coal. From the current end at WV 44, it appears that the extension to the southeast is complete and paved in concrete, but there are still barricades in place and the road is not striped.

There is no evidence of anyplace where the road could tie in to existing US 52 near Gilbert, so it appears that segment will be a highway to nowhere for quite some time into the future.

There is a project under construction currently, the Gilbert Creek Connector, that will rebuild Right Fork Bens Creek Road (County Route 10) and Gilbert Creek Road (County Route 13) from Twisted Gun Gap to the current US 52. This will be the eastern end of this section for the indefinite, perhaps permanent, future. The completion of this part might be enough to encourage existing through traffic to shift to the King Coal Highway because it will allow traffic to bypass the eastern approach to Horsepen Mountain, one of the worst mountain crossings in WV.

That whole stretch of US 52 and WV 44 is a cautionary tale about concrete paving and roadway fill settling.

It developed major problems from settling within a year or two of opening. There were several spots, especially along the WV 44 connector, where you couldn't go more than about 20-25mph because they were so bad before they did asphalt overlays.

The signage for US 52 is completely opposite on either end. From WV 65 going south, signage appears to show US 52 continuing straight on the old road. But on the WV 44 end, northbound US 52 traffic is directed to turn left onto WV 44 to access the new road, with signage for Matewan and Williamson.

WVDOH has ben very inconsistent about the signage at the top of Horsepen Mountain at the intersection of US 52 and WV 44. It showed US 52 turning onto the connector to the King Coal Highway when it first opened, then after a couple years it showed it straight on the old road, and then flipped back to the King Coal alignment a couple years ago.

#52

Mid-Atlantic / Re: West Virginia

Last post by Bitmapped - July 21, 2025, 06:13:26 PM

I'm trying to figure out the old routing of US 119 north of Logan.

For years, the last gap in the route was the section that bypasses Logan to the north. Originally, US 119 came in from the south on what is now WV 44, then was wrong-way concurrent with WV 10, then it followed what is now WV 17 to Madison and Danville.

When the segment west of Chapmanville was built, but the Logan bypass not yet completed, US 119 dropped off the four-lane at Holden, then was concurrent with WV 10 to a point near Pecks Mill, where WV 10 crosses the Guyandotte River and US 119 continued north on the west bank of the river to the point where the four-lane picked back up.

What was that stretch of old US 119 between WV 10 and the current four-lane originally numbered? Google Maps indicates it's now County 119/90.

What is now Old Logan Road (Logan County Route 119/90) was shown as County Route 3/3 on the 1933, 1937, and 1946 Logan County maps. To the best of my knowledge, it remained that until US 119 was routed over it in the 1970s.

#53

Off-Topic / Re: Random Thoughts

Last post by kphoger - July 21, 2025, 05:59:07 PM

All the AI-hating people describing exactly how they can tell every AI-generated image on Facebook is AI-generated just end up feeding the AI machine the exact information it needs to make better AI-generated images.

#54

Suggestions and Questions / Re: AI bait?

Last post by kphoger - July 21, 2025, 05:55:23 PM

Congratulations, Tom Castelli!



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#55

Great Lakes and Ohio Valley / Re: Minnesota Notes

Last post by Molandfreak - July 21, 2025, 05:44:51 PM

The final design for the TH 210/TH 371 improvement project will be a buttonhook interchange. Kudos on the sensible decision to keep 371 as the thru movement.

#56

Mid-Atlantic / Re: West Virginia

Last post by Dirt Roads - July 21, 2025, 05:32:08 PM

You may recall a previous post where I discussed renumbering of County Roads along U.S. Routes.  I highly suspect that Logan County renumbered a bunch of routes when they ran out of denominators for the 119 numerator (and started using the 219 numerator).  It wouldn't surprise me that the original number of Old Logan Road had a lowered numbered denominator that has been reused somewhere else.

#57

Central States / Re: Nebraska

Last post by Great Lakes Roads - July 21, 2025, 05:29:58 PM

Here's a video on the progress of widening I-80 west of Lincoln to six lanes.
The westbound lanes are currently being reconstructed with new concrete pavement and two new mainline bridges. All four bridges over I-80 have been rebuilt.

#58

Mid-Atlantic / Re: West Virginia

Last post by Beltway - July 21, 2025, 05:29:49 PM

I'm trying to figure out the old routing of US 119 north of Logan.
For years, the last gap in the route was the section that bypasses Logan to the north. Originally, US 119 came in from the south on what is now WV 44, then was wrong-way concurrent with WV 10, then it followed what is now WV 17 to Madison and Danville.
When the segment west of Chapmanville was built, but the Logan bypass not yet completed, US 119 dropped off the four-lane at Holden, then was concurrent with WV 10 to a point near Pecks Mill, where WV 10 crosses the Guyandotte River and US 119 continued north on the west bank of the river to the point where the four-lane picked back up.
What was that stretch of old US 119 between WV 10 and the current four-lane originally numbered? Google Maps indicates it's now County 119/90.
In a related note, there is no reference to WV 17 on the new WV 10 four-lane south of downtown Logan. It appears that WV 17 is currently one of the few routes (if not the only route) that doesn't connect to a state primary highway on either end. WV 17 currently ends at old WV 10, Hanging Rock Road.

WV-17 Logan-Madison is the old US-119. I can see it on a 1966 Virginia map pdf that I have.

As far as the exact routing of old US-119 in Logan, I don't know.

#59

Mid-Atlantic / Re: West Virginia

Last post by Dirt Roads - July 21, 2025, 05:28:32 PM

I'm trying to figure out the old routing of US 119 north of Logan.

For years, the last gap in the route was the section that bypasses Logan to the north. Originally, US 119 came in from the south on what is now WV 44, then was wrong-way concurrent with WV 10, then it followed what is now WV 17 to Madison and Danville.

When the segment west of Chapmanville was built, but the Logan bypass not yet completed, US 119 dropped off the four-lane at Holden, then was concurrent with WV 10 to a point near Pecks Mill, where WV 10 crosses the Guyandotte River and US 119 continued north on the west bank of the river to the point where the four-lane picked back up.

What was that stretch of old US 119 between WV 10 and the current four-lane originally numbered? Google Maps indicates it's now County 119/90.

In a related note, there is no reference to WV 17 on the new WV 10 four-lane south of downtown Logan. It appears that WV 17 is currently one of the few routes (if not the only route) that doesn't connect to a state primary highway on either end. WV 17 currently ends at old WV 10, Hanging Rock Road.

I've got an old Logan County map from 1933 that shows WV-10 routed up the east side of the Guyandotte River all the way through Logan County.  Back then, there were no roads whatsoever on the west side of the Guyan north of Logan, except for one short piece that crossed the Guyan at Pecks Mill and another that crossed the Guyan at what was then called Godby (now Godby Heights) and ran eastward along the west bank. 

The first (southernmost) section appears to be along the route of modern-day WV-10 where it crosses the Guyan.  It looks to be less than a half-mile in length.

The second (northernmost) section appears to be Northgate Road (CR-10/44) in Godby Heights then crossed the river just west of that industrial contractor that sits beside the State Police barracks (you can still see the connection).  That road runs along what is modern-day Old Logan Road (CR-119/90) and ends just after it crossed into what was then the Logan District (probably just past modern-day Bluebell Trail, not all that far northwest of the current bridge at Pecks Mill).

The 1963 USGS map shows all of Old Logan Road northwest of the Pecks Mill Bridge as paved but unnumbered. 

Whoa.  The 1928 USGS map also shows WV-10 on its current route into Logan and up the west side of the Guyan River up to the Pecks Mill Bridge.  But there are no roads on the southwest bank up to the edge of the map (almost makes it to Godby Heights).  I suspect that my Logan County map (published by John Ice, Co.) was incorrect on the routing, but it is very detailed.

You might need to go to the Logan County Library to find an old WV State Road Commission map to figure out the route number back in those days.

#60

Off-Topic / Re: Minor things that bother y...

Last post by CtrlAltDel - July 21, 2025, 05:25:41 PM

TBQH, I could probably report it to the professor and Pearson, given how consistent the issue was I could easily document it before the semester ends. However, given that most of the people seeing this issue are probably broke and overworked college students, and the amount of documentation it would probably require (at the very least screenshots and the student completely working-out the problems on paper to show how the program was wrong), I could see why it's been able to fly under the radar.

If I were you, I would most definitely tell the professor of your course about this. As a professor myself, although not of anything mathy, this is definitely something I would want to know. I haven't used Pearson specifically, but it is almost certainly possible to look into your submission and see what happened.

If you're worried about rocking the boat, your professor is likely to be amenable to what you have to say partly since they also like when things work well and partly because you are pretty much guaranteed to win any grade dispute involving correct answers marked wrong. You also need not provide an elaborate explanation, either. Just give the problem, and then state your answer and the answer the computer gave. And if it turns out you were if fact wrong about some small detail, you won't be any more in the future.

As far as the publishing company goes, they won't care unless the issue is reported by multiple professors who seem aggravated enough to switch to a new company, so I wouldn't concern myself with that at all.