Breezewood-type situations

[mgk920]

There are a lot of places with such 'missing moves' junctions.  One glaring one is at the Edens (I-94)/Kennedy (I-90) split in Chicago.  To make the 'inbound to outbound' moves between them requires the use of city surface streets.

Mike

[vtk]

There are a lot of places with such 'missing moves' junctions.  One glaring one is at the Edens (I-94)/Kennedy (I-90) split in Chicago.  To make the 'inbound to outbound' moves between them requires the use of city surface streets.

Mike

And in my experience, that particular street in Chicago is ridiculously busy with traffic moving between those two Interstates.

Common as they may be, I think we can call this a "half-Breezewood".

[akotchi]

The Pacific Ocean prevents you from taking the freeway to Hawaii.

However, I'm not aware of an Interstate on either the West Coast or in Hawai'i that actually piddles out into the sand; most end at interchanges or turn into surface streets ahead of time.

The closest example I can think of I-10 ending at CA 1 (PCH) at Santa Monica.

That is pretty close. 

I-10 just west of I-5 in San Diego is not far from the saltwater of the Pacific Ocean either. 

Curiously, I cannot think of any on the Atlantic coast of the U.S. that come as close to the ocean itself.  I suppose I-90 in Boston, Mass. might just be the champ.

Closest I can think of is I-264 in Virginia Beach, which is probably about 4 or 5 blocks from the ocean.

[NE2]

There's no direct ramp from I-40 east to I-27 south in Amarillo (and no other freeway to take instead). You have to use the frontage road past a traffic light before reaching the slip ramp to I-27.

[vtk]

There's no direct ramp from I-40 east to I-27 south in Amarillo (and no other freeway to take instead). You have to use the frontage road past a traffic light before reaching the slip ramp to I-27.

I think that's like a ⅛ Breezewood at best.

[jp the roadgeek]

Brunswick. Even sounds kinda familiar, phonetically speaking.
There's a US1 freeway going out one end, and a freeway-grade connector to I-95 -- I-295, excuse me -- on the other.
And in between, 3 traffic lights in a bit > a mile on Pleasant Street. Which is not.
Post Merge: October 24, 2011, 01:30:22 PM

If it counts, the Garden State Parkway in Cape May Court House (exits 9-11) acts sort of like a boulevard. Exits 9-11 are at-grade with traffic signals.

How about CT9 in Middletown?

Absolutely ridiculous road.  Heading north, goes from 65 to 55 to 45.  2 traffic lights (Washington St, and Arragoni Bridge connection), then back up to 65 a mile later.  CT 9 would be a 3di (x-84 or x-95) were it not for that short stretch.

[agentsteel53]

there are lots of freeway connections that require surface streets.  some of them are pretty egregious (CA-56 at I-5, CA-56 at I-15, CA-78 at I-5), while others are so oblique that there is no point in building a direct ramp, like I-5 south to US-101 north in the East LA Interchange.

[roadman65]

Many of the international borders with Mexico.  In Laredo, I-35 ends just a few city blocks shy of the Rio Grande using the one way pair of San Ursula and San Dario Avenues to make the connection.

In San Diego, I-5 connects right to the border, but on the Tijuana side you have to go through city streets to connect to the freeway Route 1D or the Ensenada Road.

I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.

US 77 did have one in Brownsville using International Boulevard as its connection before the US 77 freeway was extended to the border.  Even that has an at grade intersection prior to the new International Bridge.

[agentsteel53]

are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.

[kphoger]

In Laredo, I-35 ends just a few city blocks shy of the Rio Grande using the one way pair of San Ursula and San Dario Avenues to make the connection.

And southbound traffic must use Nuevo Laredo city streets for a few blocks, including a left turn, before reaching the Colosio bypass.

In San Diego, I-5 connects right to the border, but on the Tijuana side you have to go through city streets to connect to the freeway Route 1D or the Ensenada Road.

I dispute this.  While northbound traffic lacks a full freeway to the border, it appears southbound traffic has free access from the border complex to 1(D) a.k.a. the Scenic Road.

I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.

And even the bypass (AZ-189) is not a full freeway.

US 77 did have one in Brownsville using International Boulevard as its connection before the US 77 freeway was extended to the border.  Even that has an at grade intersection prior to the new International Bridge.

Which doesn't matter anyway, since Avenida Acción Cívica on the Mexican side is not a freeway.

[kphoger]

are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.

Then I think Sweetgrass should count.  The only real reason Breezewood is a Breezewood is the stoplight.  Plain old left turns don't slow traffic down, but stoplights do.

[NE2]

are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).

Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.

[kphoger]

are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).

Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.

Debatable, I guess, because northbound traffic has side street access.  But I don't see anything iffy on the southbound side.  And I hadn't even considered the Vía Rápida Pte. (what your map calls the Vía Poniente–they left out a word).

Loop 20 around Laredo is indeed a freeway from I-35 to at least the interchange with Mexican federal highway 2; south from there, it is currently being twinned at least as far as Tamaulipas state highway 1, but does allow limited cross traffic in and out of industrial buildings.  However, the Loop 20 crossing is only for commercial traffic, and is therefore of no use to the average motorist.

[roadman65]

My google street view shows Mex 1D as a jersey freeway type.  On the Northbound side, it has driveways a sidewalk and some right in and outs.

As far as Nogales is concerned, yes very true it is not freeway south of the border.  However, some people on other threads and discussions feel that if a highway is to go some place it should go all the way.  Plus someone did make a point about I-264 in Virginia Beach stopping short of the ocean as it does divide into 21st and 22nd Streets on this thread, even though it does not connect to another freeway either.

Even though the topic is about Breezewood, that is a city street connecting two different freeways, there are some that may argue in general that would constitute a Breezewood  if the freeway stops short of a final destination.  Not me, I would consider that poor planning as well as the Commonwealth of PA did, but me personally it would be, I guess, we should call it maybe a half Breezewood.

Now, the US 281 and I-410 (San Antonio Loop) Northern junction was at one time a Breezewood using two different connections.  As many use one common roadway this had two completely different ones.  From I-410 to NB US 281 and from SB US 281 to the 410 loop used San Pedro Avenue while the connection from NB US 281 to I-410 and from 410 to SB US 281 used Airport Boulevard.

[deathtopumpkins]

I-95

Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?

[agentsteel53]

Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?

by the same logic, I-710.

[vdeane]

are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

Tijuana (the 1D connection is debateable, but there's a full-freeway connection to Via Poniente/Oriente, a freeway straddling the Tijuana River). Port Huron. Buffalo, sort of. Lewiston. Maybe Loop 20 (Laredo).

Most that "should" be freeways have one or two at-grades: I-5 (Canada), I-81, I-87, I-91, I-95. Mexico tends to not have intercity freeways up to the border; 1D southbound only squeaks by because it runs right along the river and border fence.

I tend to think of the ON 137 freeway as ending/beginning at the Thousand Islands Bridge toll barrier; while the ROW exists to make it four lane divided on Hill Island, the three at-grades will never be eliminated there, and I doubt it will be widened; Hill Island is a park.

[agentsteel53]

so Via Poniente/Oriente is a full freeway?  I'd never really thought of it as such... I've only driven it once and I seem to recall it having some driveways.  so it's a Jersey Freeway in my mind, not a full one.

[NE2]

so Via Poniente/Oriente is a full freeway?  I'd never really thought of it as such... I've only driven it once and I seem to recall it having some driveways.  so it's a Jersey Freeway in my mind, not a full one.

It's got continuous frontage roads.

I-95

Why do you include I-95 as having an at-grade? I thought it was freeway all the way up to the border (looks like it on Google Maps), and connected to the NB 95 freeway on the Canadian side?

NB 95 has an at-grade: http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=46.138266~-67.774905&lvl=17&dir=0&sty=a&form=LMLTCC

[national highway 1]

Albion Park, NSW
Between south of Haywards Bay at the Illawarra Hwy [NR48] to the New Lake Entrance Rd [SR157 east] volleyball interchange south of Oak Flats station.
http://goo.gl/maps/QJsYH

[roadman65]

From looking at Google Maps from Mex 1D to I-5 you must exit at Avenida Melchor Ocampo using that particular street to the first intersection.  Then left on Benito Juarez yo Segundo into the complex interchange with Mex 1 to get to freeway again.  Even that, I remember in 1988 there is a pedestrian crosswalk across Mex 1 NB Lanes to get you over to the east side of the entry plaza.  https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.537656,-117.03266&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.537488,-117.032463&panoid=atMT8eLPRhUVT4MAu2G_tw&cbp=12,156.56,,0,0.09


https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.539623,-117.035566&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.539623,-117.035566&panoid=2bHrjEoEGiNCR4AAU5H1Ng&cbp=12,142.44,,0,0
Here is Mex 1D showed with a sidewalk and a driveway thus the proof that it is Jersey Freeway like agent said.

[vdeane]

Looks like Mexico changed the traffic pattern judging by the satellite imagery.  But why does Google show many surface streets in Mexico as freeways?  It makes it pretty hard to find the real freeways.

[kphoger]

From looking at Google Maps from Mex 1D to I-5 you must exit at Avenida Melchor Ocampo using that particular street to the first intersection.  Then left on Benito Juarez yo Segundo into the complex interchange with Mex 1 to get to freeway again.  Even that, I remember in 1988 there is a pedestrian crosswalk across Mex 1 NB Lanes to get you over to the east side of the entry plaza.  https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.537656,-117.03266&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.537488,-117.032463&panoid=atMT8eLPRhUVT4MAu2G_tw&cbp=12,156.56,,0,0.09

Yes, northbound 1(D) has a Breezewood before connecting to the border complex.  My point was that southbound I-5 connects straight to southbound 1(D) without any stoplights or cross streets; the first business access is 4.5 miles later (as has been mentioned, this is mainly due to the fact that the southbound lanes abut the border fence).

https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.539623,-117.035566&spn=0.002135,0.005171&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=32.539623,-117.035566&panoid=2bHrjEoEGiNCR4AAU5H1Ng&cbp=12,142.44,,0,0
Here is Mex 1D showed with a sidewalk and a driveway thus the proof that it is Jersey Freeway like agent said.

The highway agentsteel53 was referring to is not 1(D), but rather the Vía Rápida Poniente.  If anything, it connects to federal highway 2.  It appears to be a full freeway with frontage roads for several miles; Google satellite imagery shows some construction work, so it's hard to say for sure how far the controlled access extends.

[roadman65]

What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO?  Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70  in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full  complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.

[bugo]

What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO?  Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70  in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full  complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.

That road is a death trap.  And it's not very efficient.  I used to live in the hood at 71 and Bannister, and I worked on Blue Parkway about halfway between 71 and 435.  I ended up taking Prospect to work because it was faster.  The road that was built to bypass the original road is slower than the original road.