Breezewood-type situations

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roadman65

Quote from: bugo on September 15, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:17:32 PM
What about US 71 in Kansas City, MO?  Apparently the one snag, other than the Bella Vista Bypass, from keeping I-49 from being completed to I-70  in Missouri is those stoplights that locals do not want removed preventing full  complete freeway through Kansas City, I think, creates a Breezewood between two freeway parts, even if its the same highway.

That road is a death trap.  And it's not very efficient.  I used to live in the hood at 71 and Bannister, and I worked on Blue Parkway about halfway between 71 and 435.  I ended up taking Prospect to work because it was faster.  The road that was built to bypass the original road is slower than the original road.

It sounds to me like the full freeway upgrade is needed.  I wonder why locals are not allowing something that will make improvements to their own area's traffic conditions?  It is like people in SE Pennsylvania only wanting the Blue Route to be 4 lanes considering that it will cause future traffic problems for them, that I am sure they will all complain about the second it happens.
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vdeane

People tend to want things for their community but want "the other people" to stay away from their roads.  They seem to think that building it to only be 4 lanes will somehow keep "the other people" off, even though that idea is foolish.
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kphoger

Quote from: roadman65 on September 11, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
I believe the Nogales, AZ crossing was mentioned here or on another thread for I-19.

I don't know why I didn't think to look when this was originally posted, but Mexican highway 15 is not the least bit freeway-ish through Nogales.  It's just a pair of one-way avenues with nonstop business entrances, stoplights, and on-street parking (OK, the northbound lanes don't have on-street parking due to the proximity of the railroad).

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vtk

Quote from: catch22 on September 23, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Here's one I haven't seen mentioned.  I-71/US-35 interchange in Jeffersonville, OH.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Jeffersonville,+OH&hl=en&ll=39.618979,-83.599434&spn=0.051438,0.132093&sll=38.961912,-92.289383&sspn=0.012981,0.033023&oq=jeffersonvill&gl=us&hnear=Jeffersonville,+Fayette,+Ohio&t=m&z=14

It's not in Jeffersonville.  It's in Octa.  Jeffersonville is the next exit up.  And I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned already.  (If not, um... good job?)  It's certainly come up in several other threads for various reasons.  The traffic volumes changing between I-71 and US 35 are quite small.  I've driven through there on OH 435 (usually out of necessity to connect from US 35 to old US 35) and I can report it's not congested at all.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

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roadman65

I-45 NB to TX 1 EB and from TX 1 WB to I-45 EB in Webster, TX.
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roadman65

Oh, there is US 209 from PA 33 in Snydersville, PA to I-80 at Stroudsburg, PA.  Why this is a Breezewood is cause there is no direct connection from PA 33 NB to I-80 EB and from WB I-80 to SB PA 33.  You must use US 209.  Spite the fact that all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway, it is NOT!  This part of US 209 from PA 33 to I-80 has three at grade intersections with two of these having traffic signals.

I have no idea why even Rand McNally has it featured as a purple line freeway or even the old Esso maps of the 1970s show US 209 as full freeway as well.  I do not believe anyone brought it up here anywhere on this forum, or at least I cannot find an instance when it was.  Nonetheless, two freeways with a surface road and two stoplights.
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Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway
Nope.

This is probably a case where it would be a bloody waste of money to build bridges.
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roadman65

Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway
Nope.

This is probably a case where it would be a bloody waste of money to build bridges.
Show me what maps.  I would like to see, not to prove you wrong, but I would like to see someone get it right!  All my Rand McNallys and other paper maps including PennDOTs maps from the Welcome Centers show US 209 as full freeway.
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Some_Person

Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
Oh, there is US 209 from PA 33 in Snydersville, PA to I-80 at Stroudsburg, PA.  Why this is a Breezewood is cause there is no direct connection from PA 33 NB to I-80 EB and from WB I-80 to SB PA 33.  You must use US 209.  Spite the fact that all maps show that piece of US 209 is a full freeway, it is NOT!  This part of US 209 from PA 33 to I-80 has three at grade intersections with two of these having traffic signals.

I have no idea why even Rand McNally has it featured as a purple line freeway or even the old Esso maps of the 1970s show US 209 as full freeway as well.  I do not believe anyone brought it up here anywhere on this forum, or at least I cannot find an instance when it was.  Nonetheless, two freeways with a surface road and two stoplights.
Wait, what are the three at grade intersections? I only know of these two:
http://goo.gl/maps/Zu5Qi
http://goo.gl/maps/d5sfV (signaled)

Roadsguy

Yep, only two.

Perfect PA-example of an "expressway."
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Sykotyk

US209 in the RM atlas shows it as freeway. However, I've driven it and most certainly has a light on it.

Considering i am trying to clinch every blue/green line on the RM atlas, it iritates me when a road isn't a freeway. But, then some roads are ALMOST a freeway, but get the orange/red treatment.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: Sykotyk on January 19, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
US209 in the RM atlas shows it as freeway. However, I've driven it and most certainly has a light on it.

Considering i am trying to clinch every blue/green line on the RM atlas, it iritates me when a road isn't a freeway. But, then some roads are ALMOST a freeway, but get the orange/red treatment.

If they are in an urban area,they are probably functionally classified as expressways.
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roadman65

I have seen also DE 1 around Milford on older RM maps showing it as full freeway, yet there are some at grade intersections including the eastern terminus of DE 14.

Some form of miscommunication here. 

Also  to note that older travelvision (Esso/ Exxon) maps showed the part of NY 298 in Syracuse between I-690 and I-81 as freeway, yet it is a city street.  I believe that had to do with lack of movements EB to NB and SB to WB between the two interstates and Bear Street was signed for a Breezewwod type of situation, and I think still is.

I know this is not a Breezewood as far as this topic is concerned, but the connection  in Palm Beach County, FL between the Sawgrass Expressway and I-95 could be considered one if you look at it this way.  The Sawgrass Expressway along with part of I-75 are a bypass of the Greater Fort Lauderdale area, therefore I-95 even with the arterial section of FL 869 people  traveling I-95, I am sure, are using it as shortcut to reach Homestead  to avoid both Fort Lauderdale and Miami and the fact that I-95 does not go as a freeway past Miami like the Turnpike does.
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vtk

Has anyone brought up US 33 at Ravenswood, WV yet?
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

mgk920

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Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 11, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
are there any US international crossings which are freeway on both sides?

I-15 at Sweetgrass, MT comes close - it turns into an expressway with no traffic lights or significant slowdown until Milk River, AB, a few miles up the road.

Let's see (west to east)....

- I-5 <-> BC 99- Blaine, WA/White Rock, BC (Peace Arch)(*NO* trucks)
- I-69/94 <-> ON 402 - Port Huron, MI/Sarnia, ON (Blue Water Bridge)
- I-75/96 <-> ON 401(under construction) - Detroit, MI/Windsor, ON (Ambassador Bridge)
- I-190 <-> ON QEW - Buffalo, NY/Fort Erie, ON (Peace Bridge)(close call, actually)
- I-190 <-> ON 405 - Queenston-Lewiston Bridge
- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
- I-89 <-> PQ A-35(under construction)
- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
- I-95 <-> NB 95 - Houlton, ME

Anyways, back to the topic of the thread, the otherwise mostly freeway WI 26 has 'Breezewood' situations at its junctions with both I-39/90 in Janesville, WI and I-94 in Johnson Creek, WI.  Yes, they are very annoying.

:banghead:

Mike


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Quote from: mgk920 on May 31, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
- I-5 <-> BC 99- Blaine, WA/White Rock, BC (Peace Arch)(*NO* trucks)
- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
- I-95 <-> NB 95 - Houlton, ME
These all have at least one at-grade intersection.
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vdeane

Quote from: mgk920 on May 31, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
- I-190 <-> ON QEW - Buffalo, NY/Fort Erie, ON (Peace Bridge)(close call, actually)
There's currently a plan to improve the ramps which would eliminate the at-grade access from Buffalo's city streets, making it a full freeway connection.

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- I-81 <-> ON 401 - Thousand Islands
ON 137 is a two lane road with at-grades and driveways on Hill Island.

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- I-87 <-> PQ A-15 - Champlain, NY
There's an at-grade with an all-way stop by the Canadian duty free.

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- I-91 <-> PQ A-55 - Derby Line, VT/Stanstead, QC
There's a traffic light at Stanstead, and another at-grade a few km to the north.

Looks like the NB 95 at-grade is also near customs.  Not only does BC 99 have an at-grade just north of customs, but I-5 has a pedestrian crossing for the park.
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froggie

No traffic lights on A-55 that I recall, but there are a couple at-grade intersections just north of Canadian Customs.

vdeane

I was thinking of this: http://goo.gl/maps/8Vuym

Looking closer, there are stop signs on A-55... maybe the traffic light was converted into a stop.
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froggie

I haven't been that way specifically since '08, but at that time, there was neither a stop sign on A-55 nor a traffic signal.  So if something's been put in, it's been within the past 5 years.  Next time someone's up in Derby Line, should be able to see it from the overpass over I-91.

Thing 342

US 58, albeit not between two freeways, is like this for a mile past the end of the Suffolk Bypass. You go from about 60-65 mph expressway to an extremely congested 35 mph boulevard with several signals, before the limit goes up to 55.

AK-1 between the Glenn and Seward freeways in downtown Anchorage could be considered this.

Why there is a stoplight on US 29-460 in Lynchburg between the 29 and 460 freeways is beyond me.