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Roads that come to the same international border twice

Started by Alps, December 07, 2012, 03:40:34 PM

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Alps

I'm going to start out with the American list, at least as far as I've found.

ME 6
ON 3 (formerly, when it was a complete route)
Province Rd., Point Roberts, WA (ends at the border road, does not cross)

agentsteel53

there's probably plenty in Europe.  with a quick search, I found a tiny street in a corner of Luxembourg which ends at Belgium on both sides.

is there any international analogue to Florida route 2, which does it several times with respect to Georgia?
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Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 07, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
is there any international analogue to Florida route 2, which does it several times with respect to Georgia?
The Newport and Richford Railroad (now a Montreal, Maine and Atlantic Railway branch).
pre-1945 Florida route log

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N53 / A37 in Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland respectively - the N53 sneaks across the border through the village of Cullaville, where it forms one of the two A37s in the North. The Republic's N3 meets the border twice (either side of an implied gap through NI), as does the North's A2 (three of Derry's radial routes bear that number, with two heading to the border, and the other heading WNW).

The Northern Irish A3 meets the border with the Republic of Ireland 5 times, and the N54 in the Republic meets the border with the north 4 times - they form, with the N12, part of the same route. It's not the awesome road feature you'd have thought it would be and the OP only asked for twice....

There's not as many numbered ones as you might have thought in Europe - typically only where internal borders have only recently become external ones.

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Some of the streets in Monaco cross the border with France multiple times.

Also Belgium's N40 crosses into France, becomes the D949, passes through Givet, then crosses back into Belgium and resumes its N40 designation.

(I'm not going to touch Baarle-Hertog because I think that's a fairly unique circumstance.)
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Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
The Newport and Richford Railroad (now a Montreal, Maine and Atlantic Railway branch).

Yes, that was the Canadian Pacific Railways passenger train route between Montreal and Boston until the 1960s.  Trains crossed into Vermont for about 10 miles, back into Quebec for 8 miles then again into Vermont and onto Boston......wonder how Customs handled that one!

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Quote from: ghYHZ on December 07, 2012, 05:57:32 PM

Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
The Newport and Richford Railroad (now a Montreal, Maine and Atlantic Railway branch).

Yes, that was the Canadian Pacific Railways passenger train route between Montreal and Boston until the 1960s.  Trains crossed into Vermont for about 10 miles, back into Quebec for 8 miles then again into Vermont and onto Boston......wonder how Customs handled that one!
There is a piece of the VIA Rail (CN) that crosses into the U.S. and back into Canada. U.S. Customs gets on when the train enters the country (there are otherwise no scheduled stops) and gets off where it exits. Also, a CN main line (don't know if it's passenger rail) from Manitoba to Ontario passes around the south side of Lake of the Woods in Minnesota, passing through Warroad. I don't know if there's a check-in/check-out process on this line as well.
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Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 07, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
There is a piece of the VIA Rail (CN) that crosses into the U.S. and back into Canada. U.S. Customs gets on when the train enters the country (there are otherwise no scheduled stops) and gets off where it exits. Also, a CN main line (don't know if it's passenger rail) from Manitoba to Ontario passes around the south side of Lake of the Woods in Minnesota, passing through Warroad. I don't know if there's a check-in/check-out process on this line as well.

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Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 07, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
There is a piece of the VIA Rail (CN) that crosses into the U.S. and back into Canada. U.S. Customs gets on when the train enters the country (there are otherwise no scheduled stops) and gets off where it exits. Also, a CN main line (don't know if it's passenger rail) from Manitoba to Ontario passes around the south side of Lake of the Woods in Minnesota, passing through Warroad. I don't know if there's a check-in/check-out process on this line as well.

Getting at bit of topic........ but here goes:

That was the Atlantic Limited between Montreal and the Maritimes across Maine.......it was discontinued in 1994.

There were different procedures in handling the "Atlantic" over the years. When it was a Canadian Pacific operated train....... usually only the coach passengers were inspected by US Customs at the border and sleeping car passengers were just left alone. Anyone boarding the train in Maine was inspected by Canadian Customs at Magantic, Quebec or McAdam, New Brunswick when it crossed back into Canada. This was the same procedure when VIA took over and extended the Atlantic through to Halifax in Oct. 1979 and still in effect when the Atlantic was first discontinued in Nov. 1981.

When the Atlantic was reinstated in June 1985 there was a whole new set of rules: US Customs/INS now insisted everyone would be inspected. Even the Sleeping Car passengers were awakened eastbound at 3am ET in Jackman, Maine. Westbound wasn't as bad: 9pm ET (10pm AT) at Vanceboro. The trains were running long and full so there were major delays at the border for inspections.

The restored Atlantic was only back a short time before people were calling for it to rerouted via Edmundston, New Brunswick to avoid crossing the US border. Passengers were switching to other trains in droves to escape the hassle from US officials even if they had to change trains and wait a couple of hours in Moncton.

The Atlantic Limited always made several stops in Maine: Vanceboro, Danforth, Mattawamkeag, Brownville Jct., Greenville and Jackman. Local US passengers were even handled between Maine stops but anyone boarding in the US and going to Canada were checked by Canada Customs when the trains reached McAdam NB or Megantic, Quebec.

It took a couple of years of negotiations but eventually the train was "Sealed"  across the US with a metal Tag being placed on all doors except in the one car where the US Customs Inspector rode and only checked those getting off in the US. The "Atlantic"  was discontinued in December 1994.

Passenger trains on that CN line through Warroad Minnesota have been gone since the "˜70s.


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Quote from: NE2 on December 07, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
If US 97 "counts", so did US 2.
US 2 counted more because it was actually designated to the Canadian border on two of its four ends (both the eastern ends, at that).

J N Winkler

Have there been passenger services between the US and Canada which have been allowed to dip into one country or the other without being inspected when there were no scheduled stops in the country being dipped into?  This is how at least one S-Bahn line operated in Berlin when the city was divided.  I understand there were also two flavors of train between West Germany and West Berlin--an ordinary nonstop service which was inspected by the East Germans on entry and exit, and a special sealed train which was passed through East Germany without inspection.
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Quote from: agentsteel53 on December 07, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
is there any international analogue to Florida route 2, which does it several times with respect to Georgia?

This made me think of US 2, so I looked it up.  After reading further down the thread, I saw that NE2 beat me, but I'll post anyway.

The eastern US 2 almost does this.  It meets US 11 .8 miles south of the Canadian border in Rouses Point, NY and in Houlton, ME, it stops about 400 feet short of the Canadian border to make a 90 degree turn to the north to end at I-95.

I used Wikimapia's ruler tool to measure the distances.

jp the roadgeek

How about NY 276?  Actually is an upside down squared off U where the top of it actually runs along the border for about 1 1/2 mi.
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I-905 would do this if the western extension were to be built.

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Quote from: J N Winkler on December 07, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
Have there been passenger services between the US and Canada which have been allowed to dip into one country or the other without being inspected when there were no scheduled stops in the country being dipped into?

Can't think of a situation like that between the US and Canada but something similar were the New York Central, Penn Central and eventually Amtrak trains between Detroit and New York City. They crossed through southern Ontario for about 250 miles between Windsor and Fort Erie but were subject to some form of customs inspection.......full or cursory.

vdeane

Line Rd/Leduc Dr does this.  It straddles the border in VT, makes a U turn on VT 225, veers right past customs when VT 225 becomes QC 225 and goes through, straddles the border on the QC side, and re-enters VT later.  There are barriers along all roads that lead deeper into QC, including at customs, making it a de facto one-way in that area.  This also means that it's possible to clinch VT 225 both without going through customs and without making a U turn.
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Quote from: J N Winkler on December 07, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
Have there been passenger services between the US and Canada which have been allowed to dip into one country or the other without being inspected when there were no scheduled stops in the country being dipped into?  This is how at least one S-Bahn line operated in Berlin when the city was divided.  I understand there were also two flavors of train between West Germany and West Berlin--an ordinary nonstop service which was inspected by the East Germans on entry and exit, and a special sealed train which was passed through East Germany without inspection.
I read an article several years ago by someone who traveled VIA Rail coast to coast, and that's where I read about the train dipping into the U.S. and customs agents riding from one entry point to another. Supporting that is the existence of a Canadian Pacific track that enters Maine after passing through Sherbrooke and Megantic, Quebec. It crosses northern Maine and exits at St. Croix, and then heads east to Moncton. Now, if you look at the VIA Rail web site, it shows in very general terms the route from Montreal to Moncton following the St. Lawrence and then bending southeast into New Brunswick. (No information on intermediate stations). There is a CN route along this stretch and so the VIA Rail route could have been rerouted at some point.
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pre-1945 Florida route log

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ghYHZ

Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on December 08, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
I read an article several years ago by someone who traveled VIA Rail coast to coast, and that's where I read about the train dipping into the U.S. and customs agents riding from one entry point to another.

See my reply #8 above. This was VIA's "Atlantic".......discontinued in December 1994.

Quillz

I remember being on a train that went through several of the Alaskan Panhandle towns. At one point, you delve briefly into the Yukon, but there are no stops through this portion.

NE2

Quote from: Quillz on December 09, 2012, 03:32:51 AM
I remember being on a train that went through several of the Alaskan Panhandle towns. At one point, you delve briefly into the Yukon, but there are no stops through this portion.
The only railroad in the panhandle is the White Pass and Yukon, which goes into the Yukon.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Quillz

That was it, then. I recall being in Skagway. I was quite young when on the train, so it's likely it must have just looped around shortly past the international border.