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Started by cjk374, September 30, 2014, 12:03:35 AM

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formulanone

Florida's SR 1 ran along what would become US 90, but was renumbered (and hidden). A1A came about to prevent confusion with US 1, which makes it the de facto FL 1.

Going along Fictional Highways, then an "FL 1" like Louisiana's would run from US 1's terminus in Key West, pick up US 27 in Miami, and stay on US 98's path to Alabama...


Bruce

Washington has no SR 1. In our state highway numbering scheme, US 101 acts as SR 1, but only goes around the Olympic Peninsula.

Interstate 5, which replaced US 99 and Primary State Highway 1, is a much better example of a "SR 1".
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hbelkins

West Virginia does not have a state route 1.

Tennessee's entry into this category runs southwest to northeast, from Memphis to Bristol. To my knowledge, the only place where it is independently signed and not merely the secret state route for a US highway is at Sparta.
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adventurernumber1

Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
West Virginia does not have a state route 1.

Tennessee's entry into this category runs southwest to northeast, from Memphis to Bristol. To my knowledge, the only place where it is independently signed and not merely the secret state route for a US highway is at Sparta.

IIRC correctly it is concurrent with US 70 for a good bit, and indeed a "secret" highway.

dgolub

Quote from: bzakharin on September 30, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
There is a County Route 1 in Monmouth County which connects the super important unincorporated entities of Elys Corner and Carrs Corner, and is a whopping 6.5 miles long. It runs East-West and does end at 500 series County Routes on either end, which makes it slightly more important than some other single digit county routes.

So do a lot of the counties in New York as well: Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, etc.  Westchester doesn't, though, because what was supposed to be CR 1 became NY 100B.

SD Mapman

SD and WY don't have 1. ND does, and it fits the first qualification. (but not the second...)
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Duke87

US 1 passes through 14 states. And we've already named 9 other states that either lack a SR 1 entirely or use the number as a hidden designation for something else.

That's at least 23 states with no signed SR 1. Seems a little surprising as you'd expect it to be one of the most popular numbers, but nope.

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Quote from: Duke87 on October 01, 2014, 02:24:43 AM
US 1 passes through 14 states. And we've already named 9 other states that either lack a SR 1 entirely or use the number as a hidden designation for something else.

That's at least 23 states with no signed SR 1. Seems a little surprising as you'd expect it to be one of the most popular numbers, but nope.
Except Georgia. Because Georgia.

(And Florida - if US 1 weren't so close, SR A1A would still be SR 1.)


Alabama major but unsigned
Alaska definitely major
Arizona no (most numbers are 60+, as if they wanted the lowest number to be a U.S. Route)
Arkansas reasonably major (rough grid)
California major (rough grid)
Colorado fairly minor (was much longer)
Connecticut no (US 1)
Delaware major (specifically numbered to replace 14)
Florida reasonably major (as A1A; grid)
Georgia major (rough grid)
Hawaii no (no single-digits in the system)
Idaho fairly minor
Illinois reasonably major
Indiana somewhat major (grid)
Iowa fairly minor
Kansas fairly minor (used to be much longer)
Kentucky fairly minor (rough grid)
Louisiana major
Maine no (US 1)
Maryland no (US 1)
Massachusetts no (US 1)
Michigan regionally important
Minnesota fairly minor
Mississippi fairly major (rough grid)
Missouri minor
Montana reasonably major
Nebraska minor
Nevada no (formerly major)
New Hampshire no (US 1)
New Jersey no (US 1; formerly major)
New Mexico somewhat major
New York no (US 1)
North Carolina no (US 1)
North Dakota somewhat major
Ohio no (formerly major)
Oklahoma fairly minor
Oregon no (left open in the rough grid)
Pennsylvania no (US 1)
Rhode Island no (US 1)
South Carolina no (US 1)
South Dakota no (no single digits in the numbering)
Tennessee major but mostly unsigned
Texas no (formerly major)
Utah no (formerly major)
Vermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)
Virginia no
Washington no
West Virginia no
Wisconsin no (no single digits in the system)
Wyoming no (no single digits in the system)
pre-1945 Florida route log

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formulanone

Which begs the next question...

What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?

Brandon

Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...

What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?

For Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan, it's 1.
For Wisconsin, it's 11; however, the lowest numbered route of any kind is US-2 (and one of two single digit routes in the state, the other being US-8).
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froggie

QuoteMississippi fairly major (rough grid)

Had the grid been created before the US highway routes were, then probably.  But since the state routes came after, MS 1 was relegated to the area where US 61 wasn't already near the river...I'd argue that it isn't major.

QuoteVermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)

Per VTrans, VT 3 wasn't created until 1941...and then only by petition.  Not sure yet why Vermont didn't post lower numbers, unless they were trying to avoid initial confusion with the rest of the New England route system.

QuoteVirginia no

http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va001.htm

(formerly major)

NE2

Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteMississippi fairly major (rough grid)

Had the grid been created before the US highway routes were, then probably.  But since the state routes came after, MS 1 was relegated to the area where US 61 wasn't already near the river...I'd argue that it isn't major.
It's a major tourist route (the Great River Road).

Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteVermont no (could have existed, given that 3 was created in the late 1920s, but never did)

Per VTrans, VT 3 wasn't created until 1941...and then only by petition.  Not sure yet why Vermont didn't post lower numbers, unless they were trying to avoid initial confusion with the rest of the New England route system.
VTrans is full of shit (or you're misinterpreting information about when the state took over maintenance). Check the map on page 14 of ftp://vtransmaps.vermont.gov/Maps/Publications/Historical/1927Doc_full.pdf (and the table on page 82). The part north of Center Rutland had been 4B, but for whatever reason it was renumbered 3 rather than 7B.

Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteVirginia no

http://www.vahighways.com/route-log/va001.htm

(formerly major)

Yes, I left out stuff that disappeared by the 1920s, since almost every state outside the Northeast had a 1.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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froggie

You may be misinterpreting (pg 2) some as well (pgs 3 and 5)...

Yes, Vermont had state aid routes in the 1920s, but with two exceptions (see below) the state only supervised maintenance and construction and didn't actually partake in it...that was all left to the towns.  The state highway system, where the state fully took over maintenance and construction, wasn't officially created until 1931.  Prior to that, the only two roads that the state maintained were the Sand Bar Road and Bridge in Milton (now US 2 through the state park) and the old Peru Turnpike (which was eventually realigned and became VT 11/30) in Winhall..

NE2

Who gives a shit if VT 3 wasn't state maintained until 1941? It was clearly numbered by 1927.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Laura

Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2014, 04:10:02 AM
Maryland no (US 1)

I know you were avoiding pre-1926 roads, but I think it's worth pointing out that US 1 would have been MD 1 anyway from Baltimore to Washington, and most likely would have continued as MD 1 up towards Philly.

From MDRoads.com:

"Baltimore-Washington Blvd was referred to as "State Road No. 1" for legislative purposes, although it is very unlikely that it was ever signed as MD 1. It was signed as US 1 beginning with the 1926 inception of the US highway system.

Here is the relevant document. From the 1908 Code of the Public Local Laws of Maryland: [link]

1908, ch. 304, sec. 1. B. Co. C. (1916), sec. 554. 1928, sec. 650.

650. A public highway to be known as State Road No. 1 shall be constructed between the cities of Washington and Baltimore, the course of which, as near as practicable, shall be along the route of the old Baltimore and Washington Road; provided, however, that said State Road No. 1 shall be constructed upon the present roadbed of the Baltimore and Washington Road from Waterloo, in Howard County, to the Village of Halethorpe, Baltimore County, and entering the City of Baltimore at Columbia Avenue, the bed of which, so far as the same is vested in the State or the several counties through which it passes, hereby dedicated by way of easement or fee simple, as the case may be, to the public use."

http://www.mdroads.com/routes/us001.html

Rover_0

#40
Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...

What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?

For Utah, it's US-6, but as far as the beehives are strictly concerned, it's SR-7 (St. George's Southern Parkway).
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froggie

QuoteWho gives a shit if VT 3 wasn't state maintained until 1941? It was clearly numbered by 1927.

But VTrans doesn't see it that way, as (except for the US routes post-1926) they didn't consider the state-aid and federal-aid routes to be actual highway routes.  The state legislature didn't authorize a highway system until 1931.

agentsteel53

Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2014, 04:10:02 AM
Arizona no (most numbers are 60+, as if they wanted the lowest number to be a U.S. Route)

I believe they were going for some coherence with the US routes that pass through their state.  of the initial signage, 61 was the lowest state route, and anything above 99 was a spur of the corresponding two-digit number.  (numbers like 24, 51, 101, 143, etc all came much later.)
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kj3400

Quote from: formulanone on October 01, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
Which begs the next question...

What's the lowest state road number that exists in the most number of states?
MD 2.
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agentsteel53

does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?

given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.
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froggie

Vermont does not have a "10", though they do have a "10A".  They also do not have a "98".

Minnesota used to, but no longer has a "98" at the state+ level.

bassoon1986

Louisiana: has LA 10, I-10, US 11, and LA 98 (no US route/ State route duplicates)
Mississippi: has I-10, US 11, and US 98 (interstate and US route numbers are not allowed on state routes)
Texas: TX 10, TX 11, and TX 98 (and I-10)
Arkansas: AR 10, AR 11, and AR 98

Kacie Jane

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?

given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.

New Jersey does not have 11 or 98, so combined with Vermont not having 10, we've nipped that in the bud pretty quickly. :-(

Brandon

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
does 10, 11 or 98 exist in all 50 states, either as a state, US or interstate route?

given that Alaska does not go above 11, with the exception of 98, and several states do not have single-digit routes, I think these three are the logical candidates for appearing in all 50 states.

A quick look at Wiki yields:

10 - AL, AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, IL, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MI, MO, MT, NE, NH, NJ, NY, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, VA, WS, WV, WY, for a total of 41 existing 10s.

11 - AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, ID, IN, KY, ME, MI, MN, MO, NE, NH, MN, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, SC, SD, TN, TX, VT, WS, WI, WY, (CA is proposed) for a total of 31 existing 11s.

98 - AK, AZ, AR, CA, GA, HI, IL, IA, KS, KY, LA, ME, MA, MO, NE, NY, NC, OH, OK, PA, RI, TN, TX, VA, WV, WI, for a total of 26 existing 98s.

Of the three, 10 is the most common, even in states with US-10 (MI, MN, ND).
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Kacie Jane

#49
It's more than that, since agentsteel specified state, US, or Interstate.  Adding those in, I think just it's Idaho (which used to have US 10) and Nevada for the number 10.... Phooey...

(P.S.  Washington is WA, not WS.)

(P.P.S.  Froggie, I'm horribly disappointed in you, providing false information and making me look bad... :P)



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