L.A.: Where the rich don't vaccinate a CNN Headline

[bing101]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/10/03/ctn-pkg-lah-californias-wealthiest-anti-vaccine.cnn.html

OK? How is this possible when we Californians are bragging about the State of the art Biotech/ Biohacking Synthetic Bio industry here. Rich don't Vaccinate?
and less than Liberia?

[triplemultiplex]

Because Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant monster bent on making children die from vaccine-preventable diseases.

[Brandon]

Because Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant monster bent on making children die from vaccine-preventable diseases.

One could be crass and say she's got more boob than brain, but I digress.  She's just a big boob.

[SteveG1988]

We have people on this very forum, and i know people in real life, who refuse to get a frickin flu shot. I always got one, i have yet to get one due to being out in the truck, and sometimes i get sick from the flu shot...it may be psyschsomatic tho. I am going to get one when i get my next home time of 4 days in a row.

[spooky]

I think it's because wealthy Californians are most susceptible to moronic populist trends.

[jeffandnicole]

We have people on this very forum, and i know people in real life, who refuse to get a frickin flu shot. I always got one, i have yet to get one due to being out in the truck, and sometimes i get sick from the flu shot...it may be psyschsomatic tho. I am going to get one when i get my next home time of 4 days in a row.

I've never gotten one, and have lived to tell about it.

[formulanone]

About a third of the time I get a flu shot (almost every year for the past twenty), I almost immediately get a cold which lasts about 24 hours. It's annoying, but it sure beats feeling sick for 2-3 weeks.

Unless they have a degree in science, take anything an actor or sports figure says with a bit of caution and research. How people thought a washed-up celebrity should be raising their child and their well-being is beyond me. The problem is that stupid ideas reverberate on the internet and the ignorant in near perpetuity.

[SteveG1988]

I cannot afford to get the flu on the road


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[english si]

Unless they have a degree in science, take anything an actor or sports figure says with a bit of caution and research.

Surely if we're talking about celebs talking about medicine then a science degree can be totally useless too.

And a degree isn't needed - trained pharmacists would be better qualified to answer the question, even if their qualification in the field isn't a degree, than most BS graduates: they've been trained to answer those kinds of questions. A chemistry major is unlikely to have, a physics major even less so and a geology major is highly unlikely. Even a biology major will have probably barely covered the topic.

[sdmichael]

We have people on this very forum, and i know people in real life, who refuse to get a frickin flu shot. I always got one, i have yet to get one due to being out in the truck, and sometimes i get sick from the flu shot...it may be psyschsomatic tho. I am going to get one when i get my next home time of 4 days in a row.

A flu shot is far different than standard immunization shots and not a good comparison.

[vdeane]

Given that the flu shot only lasts a year, contains the strains that people speculate are going to be prominent in the next season (which is why it's annual), has a rather high rate of people who get the vaccine and still get sick, and many cases of people getting sick from the vaccine, I'm not convinced that the annual flu vaccine is very effective.  Personally, I'm waiting for a lifetime one.

[Brandon]

Given that the flu shot only lasts a year, contains the strains that people speculate are going to be prominent in the next season (which is why it's annual), has a rather high rate of people who get the vaccine and still get sick, and many cases of people getting sick from the vaccine, I'm not convinced that the annual flu vaccine is very effective.  Personally, I'm waiting for a lifetime one.

You'll never get it.  Influenza, unlike measles, smallpox, etc, tends to mutate rapidly and from year to year.  Even with the flu vaccine, you may still get a variety of flu that it did not cover.  This is much unlike the MMR, whooping cough, smallpox, chicken pox, and other vaccines that these Hollywood numbnuts are rallying against.  Those, when you have herd immunity, tend to get rid of the disease as long as you maintain enough people in the population who are vaccinated against them.

[vdeane]

There are claims that scientists will soon be able to isolate a particular part of the virus to uniquely identify the flu instead of the current system of matching the entire virus.

[Pete from Boston]

That's silly.  A CNN headline could get very sick if the rich of LA don't vaccinate it.

[kj3400]

Semicolons are your friends. Well, 2 in this case.

[agentsteel53]

Semicolons are your friends. Well, 2 in this case.

I can even think of how a single colon could fix the title of this topic.  kinda.

[Laura]

There are claims that scientists will soon be able to isolate a particular part of the virus to uniquely identify the flu instead of the current system of matching the entire virus.

This is awesome. I currently do not get the flu shot annually because of the damage that shots do to my arms. I'm not sure if it's nerve damage or muscle damage, but with each new shot, the pain is unbearable for a month. If I get a minor bruise there in the comings and goings of life, it hurts for about three weeks. Therefore, I'll only get shots now when I absolutely need them (like how I had to get a Hep A shot before visiting Vietnam).

[Grzrd]

I can even think of how a single colon could fix the title of this topic.  kinda.

That would be cool.

[Brandon]

Semicolons are your friends. Well, 2 in this case.

I can even think of how a single colon could fix the title of this topic.  kinda.

Why, you have some Colon Blow you want to share?

[realjd]

Unless they have a degree in science, take anything an actor or sports figure says with a bit of caution and research.

Surely if we're talking about celebs talking about medicine then a science degree can be totally useless too.

And a degree isn't needed - trained pharmacists would be better qualified to answer the question, even if their qualification in the field isn't a degree, than most BS graduates: they've been trained to answer those kinds of questions. A chemistry major is unlikely to have, a physics major even less so and a geology major is highly unlikely. Even a biology major will have probably barely covered the topic.

A pharmacist isn't a degreed position in the UK? Here it refers to someone with a Doctorate in pharmacy (PharmD). They usually oversee a staff of pharmacy technicians who don't necessarily have degrees.

[Molandfreak]

We have people on this very forum, and i know people in real life, who refuse to get a frickin flu shot.

You're right. I'm allergic to the flu shot, so I won't go through that again.

[english si]

A pharmacist isn't a degreed position in the UK? Here it refers to someone with a Doctorate in pharmacy (PharmD). They usually oversee a staff of pharmacy technicians who don't necessarily have degrees.

Yes, you can get a degree in it, though its not that common a subject to do - to be a full on Professional pharmacist you need a full 4-year masters - which is a fairly rare explicit requirement for a non-doctor/dentist/vet profession in the UK (often it's just a Batchelors and the Masters goes some way towards full accreditation).

I was thinking more of the technicians (whom you are more likely to see) who might not have a degree, but be able to talk on this with much more expertise than most people with a science degree. You only need a Level 3 qualification, which is A level-equivalent (or High School honors class equivalent if I've understood the US system properly). You are much more likely to meet a technician, as not many people do Pharmacy degrees - certainly not enough for all drug stores to have one on site all the time. Which I presume is fine as I don't see the NHS doing a big drive for recruiting Pharmacists.

[Laura]

A pharmacist isn't a degreed position in the UK? Here it refers to someone with a Doctorate in pharmacy (PharmD). They usually oversee a staff of pharmacy technicians who don't necessarily have degrees.

Yes, you can get a degree in it, though its not that common a subject to do - to be a full on Professional pharmacist you need a full 4-year masters - which is a fairly rare explicit requirement for a non-doctor/dentist/vet profession in the UK (often it's just a Batchelors and the Masters goes some way towards full accreditation).

I was thinking more of the technicians (whom you are more likely to see) who might not have a degree, but be able to talk on this with much more expertise than most people with a science degree. You only need a Level 3 qualification, which is A level-equivalent (or High School honors class equivalent if I've understood the US system properly). You are much more likely to meet a technician, as not many people do Pharmacy degrees - certainly not enough for all drug stores to have one on site all the time. Which I presume is fine as I don't see the NHS doing a big drive for recruiting Pharmacists.

I always found it weird that in the US, there is such a huge gap between pharmacy technicians and pharmacists, because with enough on-the-job training, a technician can do over 90% of what the pharmacist does. The difference is that they can't give flu shots or answer really high level questions about less common medications. Same deal with the techs that work for opticians. My sister-in-law has worked for an optician for years and pretty much could run the place without a doctor. Run the eye tests, figure out what lenses you need, put the glasses together. The doctor is really there for oversight. Also, hygienists and dentists. If you just need a cleaning (which is 95% of the reason I ever go to the dentist), they can do the job. Sure, if you need a cavity filled or surgery, you'll need a dentist.


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[cpzilliacus]

There are claims that scientists will soon be able to isolate a particular part of the virus to uniquely identify the flu instead of the current system of matching the entire virus.

This is awesome. I currently do not get the flu shot annually because of the damage that shots do to my arms. I'm not sure if it's nerve damage or muscle damage, but with each new shot, the pain is unbearable for a month. If I get a minor bruise there in the comings and goings of life, it hurts for about three weeks. Therefore, I'll only get shots now when I absolutely need them (like how I had to get a Hep A shot before visiting Vietnam).

I had that experience years ago with a tetanus shot, but have never experienced it with a "regular" flu shot.

[Laura]

There are claims that scientists will soon be able to isolate a particular part of the virus to uniquely identify the flu instead of the current system of matching the entire virus.

This is awesome. I currently do not get the flu shot annually because of the damage that shots do to my arms. I'm not sure if it's nerve damage or muscle damage, but with each new shot, the pain is unbearable for a month. If I get a minor bruise there in the comings and goings of life, it hurts for about three weeks. Therefore, I'll only get shots now when I absolutely need them (like how I had to get a Hep A shot before visiting Vietnam).

I had that experience years ago with a tetanus shot, but have never experienced it with a "regular" flu shot.

Yeah. It's really strange. I first noticed it when I was about 13 because up to that point I had only ever gotten shots in my right arm, but my doc started doing them in the left with the hep B series. As I got each shot, the pain left behind increased in the number of days. Same thing with shots in the right arm, as I used to get flu shots annually. If someone innocently taps me on those spots now in daily life, it actually really hurts. So now if I get any shot, it takes a month to heal.

My current doc said that if it hurts to just avoid getting the shots. I'm sure if the pain was constant I would investigate further to see if it was really muscle or nerve damage, but there isn't a reason to do so now.


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