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Started by bugo, September 12, 2012, 05:40:35 PM

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Henry

Quote from: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
how is I-129 not signed normally?
Maybe it's been fixed, but:


This to me (incorrectly) implies it's not an officially approved route much more than omitting shields altogether.
Quote from: bugo on September 14, 2012, 12:37:57 AM
I-129 is definitely real.




Wow, it does feel strange to see a highway designation written out on a BGS instead of being represented by its shield!
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Alex

Quote from: Henry on September 14, 2012, 12:51:30 PM

Wow, it does feel strange to see a highway designation written out on a BGS instead of being represented by its shield!

The rational for the text "I-129" is the same as for the text "ROUTE I-126" in Columbia, South Carolina.

hbelkins

Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
The rational for the text "I-129" is the same as for the text "ROUTE I-126" in Columbia, South Carolina.

Which is?
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agentsteel53

I-124 in Chattanooga used to have it too, back in the day.
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Alex

Quote from: hbelkins on September 14, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 14, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
The rational for the text "I-129" is the same as for the text "ROUTE I-126" in Columbia, South Carolina.

Which is?

From some research I started months ago for Columbia, SC area page revisions, including a 1994 article entitled "A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE? - TRAVELERS FOLLOW THE SIGNS TO CROSSROADS OF CONFUSION":

https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0126sc

QuoteThe folks who number highways shouldn't have chosen 126 as a spur off I-26. He said planners have been trying to figure out a way to give it a new number. They've even gone to the extent of taking 126 off some of the main directional signs where I-26 East splits off and heads to Charleston.

For Interstate 129 a blog post I wrote after seeing the text signs for myself and an email response from IowaDOT:

https://www.aaroads.com/blog/2007/05/02/interstate-129-in-text/

QuoteApproximately 10+ years ago some motorists were getting confused with I-129 signing, thinking it was I-29 and taking the off ramp to US75 to Nebraska when they really wanted to stay on I-29. We thought we would try using the letter text I-129 to make it stand out different from the interstate shield of I-29.

agentsteel53

I was just kidding about the Chattanooga.  I had no idea what the rationale was.

do other 1xx routes have this?

seems to me, the solution is to put a wide shield, and then "129" and "29" should come up unambiguously different.
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bassoon1986

I would think if you're paying attention, a 29 and 129 would look different or 26 & 126, or 10 and 110...whatever the numbers may be. If anything the I with the number 1 makes it confusing. I would think most people other than roadgeeks would be following the city destinations moreso than the route number.

agentsteel53

the glyphs I get confused the most (far more so than the presence or absence of a leading "1") is Series E and Series EM "4" and "6".

I once got a speeding ticket for that.  the speed limit sign was knocked down and I couldn't resolve a "45" after a string of "65"s fast enough.
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Alps

I-129 and I-126 are the only two data points where all-text was found useful. There is no I-120, I-124 (well, it's unsigned), I-125, or I-127, and all the other I-1xx's are signed with shields with apparently no confusion. (Including I-110, which would seem to me to have the greatest confusion potential.) So what is it about I-12x?

TheStranger

Here's one I just discovered through looking through my Rand McNally atlas:  Business US 401 in Fayetteville along the Martin Luther King Jr. Freeway -

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Fayetteville,+NC&hl=en&ll=35.055856,-78.902779&spn=0.081221,0.106602&sll=37.269174,-119.306607&sspn=10.031949,13.64502&t=m&hnear=Fayetteville,+Cumberland,+North+Carolina&z=13

Signage is somewhat spotty though.
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MBHockey13

The south end of Business Loop I-83 is freeway on its way into York, PA, though it is more of a long straight ramp than an actual freeway.


ce929wax

If you are referring to BUS 131 in Kalamazoo, it is only a freeway for part of its route.  One you get past the Douglas Avenue interchange BUS 131 takes a 90 degree turn to align itself on Westnedge Avenue and follows that route to Kalamazoo Avenue where it begins a multiplex with BUS I-94.  After turning onto Kalamazoo Avenue it makes another 45 degree turn onto Michikal Avenue, which turns into Stadium drive where BUS 131/94 stay multiplexed until mainline US 131 and BUS 94 is multiplexed with mainline US 131 until mainline I-94.

Roadsguy

Quote from: MBHockey13 on February 28, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
The south end of Business Loop I-83 is freeway on its way into York, PA, though it is more of a long straight ramp than an actual freeway.

You wouldn't have thought that back when that was 111 and the freeway ended there.

Also, Business 95 in Fayetteville, NC is freeway at both ends. The northern part is obvious, but the southern part is pretty debatable...
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mapman1071

I-80 Business Sacramento, CA

A.J. Bertin

Here are two more examples in Michigan:

Business I-94 in the Benton Harbor area is a freeway for its easternmost mile or so.
Business I-75 in Bay City is a freeway for its westernmost mile.
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JCinSummerfield

... and Business US-23 is freeway for it's northernmost ½ mile in Ann Arbor.

kphoger

...and US-36 Business in Chillicothe, Missouri, is a super-two freeway for about 500 feet between the DTE and Lowe's entrances.

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agentsteel53

Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
...and US-36 Business in Chillicothe, Missouri, is a super-two freeway for about 500 feet between the DTE and Lowe's entrances.

how do you figure?  looks like there's all kinds of driveways abutting the road just to the east of US-65.
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kphoger

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 12, 2013, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
...and US-36 Business in Chillicothe, Missouri, is a super-two freeway for about 500 feet between the DTE and Lowe's entrances.

how do you figure?  looks like there's all kinds of driveways abutting the road just to the east of US-65.

Quote from: kphoger on March 12, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
for about 500 feet between the DTE and Lowe's entrances

Sorry, you couldn't see the sarcasm dripping from my words.  Click the link to see the map.

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agentsteel53

oops, went right over my head.

here's Magnolia Ave, which is old CA-67 (but not signed business 67 because CA doesn't much do business routes, despite the fact that Magnolia is about as full of businesses as a route can get)

http://goo.gl/maps/acWD5

it's a super-two for ... oh, just underneath that overpass, or not even that, given that there's unrestricted access.  not even driveways, drainage, etc.
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