New Jersey Turnpike

[storm2k]

I've seen a few other pull through signs as part of this project and they list Newark and Trenton on them, as they should.

[ekt8750]

I am not against Philly being on it, but with Newark being NJ largest city and on the signs for I-95 from the Bronx southward, it will most likely be on it with either Camden or Trenton with it.

Yes Maryland won't let Philly be signed from Baltimore northward and Delaware uses its own Wilmington with NJ-NY, up until after I-295 then Philly comes into ramp signs.

The problem is that the NJT is the defacto I-95 and Philadelphia is miles away from the NJT mainline.

Yes, another part of road history gone like the Exit 6 gantry now a memory as well.

Delaware puts Wilmington on 95 but Philadelphia on 495 which technically they want mainline through traffic to use anyway so that's acceptable.

And yeah I've never got what Maryland's problem with Philadelphia as a control city is.

[noelbotevera]

Are the ancient signs gone? If there's enough luck, these signs may be missed when they hit the replacement schedule.

[Alps]

The white (or formally yellow-now-faded) stripe on the bottom of the sign -- did that once have text???

I would assume it was once down arrows, and then the lane-use control signals came and they were removed/plated over to avoid conflicting information. (Not sure why the whiteout plate was necessary, though. Maybe the arrow removal left noticeable scars.)

[storm2k]

Are the ancient signs gone? If there's enough luck, these signs may be missed when they hit the replacement schedule.

Not yet, but soon.

[Mergingtraffic]

Anybody know when this was put up on NJ-495?



I'd expect this and the other 3 in the area will soon be replaced as well?

The sign bridge is going up. One of the support arms is up, and the other one and the truss are on site. This sign will be replaced very soon.

I drove through today and noticed this:
For the above sign, I saw rebar sticking up from where the foundation for the gantry will be.  The cement hasn't been poured yet, so I'm thinking that will have to settle for awhile. I forgot to notice for the "Tpke NORTH" and "TPKE SOUTH" signs just beyond it.

On I-95 SB, the foundations are settling now for the Exit 17 2 mile sign and I didn't see any work going on for the Exit 17 1 Mile sign at all.

I also saw these after the toll plaza for Exit 17.




The signs these will replace aren't that old, maybe they want to update them with shields as the old ones don't have route shields I don't think.

[storm2k]

Scutari pushing for Turnpike access road in Linden

I assume they're talking about the Tremley Point Rd connector. It's been in the STIP's for the past few years as the way to get the truck traffic off of Wood Ave and out of the residential neighborhoods in Linden.

[storm2k]

Took some pictures along the SB western spur of the new MUTCD signage. They use Newark as a control city  through 15W, so I assume we'll see the same coming off 495 as well.

[SignBridge]

V-e-r-y  i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g! I wonder why they're putting the pull-through signs  at the beginning of the deceleration lane instead of at the split.

I agree with Newark as the control-city for NJT southbound. But what screws that up is the signs approaching the G.W. Bridge on the New York side show Trenton as the 95-South destination, which I don't agree with in this vicinity. This constant inconsistency in destinations defeats the purpose.

[Zeffy]

I agree with Newark as the control-city for NJT southbound. But what screws that up is the signs approaching the G.W. Bridge on the New York side show Trenton as the 95-South destination, which I don't agree with in this vicinity. This constant inconsistency in destinations defeats the purpose.

I believe Trenton is used from the I-87 interchange which is very interesting considering Newark and New Brunswick, both of which have decently prominent colleges too, are closer than Trenton.

Of course, Trenton is also outside of the New York City metro if you go by the official MSA; the CSA it includes Trenton, but I don't think that would influence what city is used on a highway sign.

Regardless, the new signs look great, and while it's sad to see the old ones go, at least their replacements are not ugly to look at. We can all be grateful that the NJTA didn't experiment with Clearview for these signs...

[SignBridge]

Amen Zeffy! At least they're not using Clearview............

[NJRoadfan]

The new southbound signs on the Cross Bronx have switched to using Newark. Ironically, Newark is the only control city posted that the Turnpike actually enters and directly serves.

[storm2k]

V-e-r-y  i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g! I wonder why they're putting the pull-through signs  at the beginning of the deceleration lane instead of at the split.

I agree with Newark as the control-city for NJT southbound. But what screws that up is the signs approaching the G.W. Bridge on the New York side show Trenton as the 95-South destination, which I don't agree with in this vicinity. This constant inconsistency in destinations defeats the purpose.

It looks like their plan is to replace the overhead gore point signs with the actual split point signs with the arrow. For both 16W and 15W, they even reused the same cantilever (you can see where the illuminations are and how they don't line up now).

As for the Trenton signs, I think those are older NYSDOT signs. NYSDOT now uses Newark on the newer signage on the Cross Bronx. The signs on the Major Deegan are around 10 years old at this point.

[Rothman]

I miss the NJTP squiggly arrows.

[Pete from Boston]

I miss the NJTP squiggly arrows.

Sadly, we live in a world where uniformity frequently trumps quality.

[PHLBOS]

I agree with Newark as the control-city for NJT southbound. But what screws that up is the signs approaching the G.W. Bridge on the New York side show Trenton as the 95-South destination, which I don't agree with in this vicinity. This constant inconsistency in destinations defeats the purpose.

The new exit signs for I-95/NJTP off the Garden State Parkway jumps ahead of Trenton and uses Camden for a listed southbound Turnpike destination (mainly due to Trenton being used for the US 1 interchange just north of the Turnpike interchange).  At least that destination inconsistency is for an exit sign and not for a (pull-)through sign.

[jeffandnicole]

Wow.  Those signs look so...normal!

In this pic below, what's going up in the background here?  I counted no fewer than 9 cranes!

[roadman65]

What happened to Rutherford on Exit 16W?   Also why is 15E signed for US 1 & 9 and not US 1 & 9 Truck as that exit really only connects to that one, with an indirect connection to only to SB US 1 & 9?

[odditude]

they couldn't have widened the panel in the second image so the exit tab doesn't overhang the sides, like they did in the first..? exit tabs longer than the panel they're attached to are one of my pet peeves.

[SignBridge]

I'm almost positive the MUTCD specifies that the main sign panel must be at least as wide as the exit-number plaque, but I'm unable to find it in the Manual now.

[roadman]

I'm almost positive the MUTCD specifies that the main sign panel must be at least as wide as the exit-number plaque, but I'm unable to find it in the Manual now.

Nope.  There is no such requirement in the MUTCD.  However, apart from aesthetics, wind loading concerns make it a good practice to do so.  In fact, per current MassDOT practice, the main sign panel must be at least a foot wider than the exit tab - this is to provide the right-side/left-side justification for the tab.

[SignBridge]

You might be right roadman. Could be wishful thinking on my part.

[storm2k]

Wow.  Those signs look so...normal!

In this pic below, what's going up in the background here?  I counted no fewer than 9 cranes!

Construction on what was going to be the Xanadu mall project, now the American Dream Mall, which is just going to make traffic more of a nightmare than it already is around the Meadowlands.

[noelbotevera]

Wow.  Those signs look so...normal!

In this pic below, what's going up in the background here?  I counted no fewer than 9 cranes!

Construction on what was going to be the Xanadu mall project, now the American Dream Mall, which is just going to make traffic more of a nightmare than it already is around the Meadowlands.

Is it too late to block construction? Is opposition heavy in this area?

[storm2k]

Wow.  Those signs look so...normal!

In this pic below, what's going up in the background here?  I counted no fewer than 9 cranes!

Construction on what was going to be the Xanadu mall project, now the American Dream Mall, which is just going to make traffic more of a nightmare than it already is around the Meadowlands.

Is it too late to block construction? Is opposition heavy in this area?

If the NFL teams could not get it shut down when they were building MetLife, no one else really will. The right people in government are on board.