Maryland

[ixnay]

FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay

[Alex]

FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

Sweet, I had no idea! Thanks for posting this. 
Will have to update those dated end photos next.

[davewiecking]

FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay

Link is to interstate-guide.com, not AAraods.com.

[cl94]

FHWA posted a link to the site on their Facebook page today, specifically the I-595 page. Can we call that an endorsement?

https://www.facebook.com/FederalHighwayAdmin/?fref=ts

The FHWA linked *this* site on Facebook?  BTW I clicked on the Facebook link you provided, cl94, word-searched "aaroads" on the page the link took me too, and got no results.

ixnay

Link is to interstate-guide.com, not AAraods.com.

Which is a sub-site clearly marked as part of AARoads.

[cpzilliacus]

Philly.com op-ed: Philly won't be overlooked: Give us a (road) sign

Sometimes we feel overlooked here in Philadelphia.

Sometimes this is a crisis of our own making.

Sometimes we refuse to see anything but our own shortcomings.

Sometimes, though, we really are getting screwed.

For example, anyone unfamiliar with the East Coast, driving north out of D.C. on I-95 for the first time, could be forgiven for feeling shocked when Philly appears on the horizon where - at least according to the road signs - a major city is not supposed to be.

Yes, it's true. Coming up 95 through Maryland, the road signs will tell you that the next two cities on your route are fair Baltimore and gleaming New York.

There's no mention of lowly Wilmington until you're practically in it - which, OK, I can see.

But this same fate befalls Philadelphia.

[jeffandnicole]

'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

[cl94]

'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

There's also the fact that the road forks in Delaware and New York is the next major metro area encountered if using the NJT path.

[cpzilliacus]

'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

Though Maryland once used "N J Turnpike," at least at the entrances to I-95 northbound on the JFK Highway part.  "Turnpike" was not abbreviated.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

I am not good enough at sign design to know if it is acceptable, but could "Phila" or "Phila PA" be used to save on length?

[cpzilliacus]

'Philadelphia' is much longer in length than 'New York'.  Maryland uses a control city that, in the end, costs less money for wording and signage size.

And since some people are overly concerned about wind tolerances on signage, a sign that could be several more feet in length could play a part in why it's not a simple change from New York to Philadelphia.

There's also the fact that the road forks in Delaware and New York is the next major metro area encountered if using the NJT path.

But I-95 goes to Philly, and once the Bristol project is complete, will also go to New York.

[Zeffy]

I am not good enough at sign design to know if it is acceptable, but could "Phila" or "Phila PA" be used to save on length?

Not only that, but what's stopping them from using regular Series E or D even?

[jeffandnicole]

It also goes to show what people get hung up on. Leaving NYC, it's rarely mentioned that Philadelphia should be a future control city on the NJ Turnpike/95 South. When it is mentioned, it's in combination with another city.

[noelbotevera]

Why can't you use "Long Island" as a control city? You're gonna be near the large tangle of roads and may end up on NJ 495 to I-495 on the New York side.

[cpzilliacus]

It also goes to show what people get hung up on. Leaving NYC, it's rarely mentioned that Philadelphia should be a future control city on the NJ Turnpike/95 South. When it is mentioned, it's in combination with another city.

If going by the southbound mileage markers on the southbound mainline of the New Jersey Turnpike (since there few (if any) reassurance assemblies), the primary destination is Camden.

[cpzilliacus]

Baltimore Sun: Study: Future Bay Bridge additions would cost billions

Imagine Bay Bridge traffic stretching 13 miles every day during the summer heading toward the Eastern Shore.

Would that change your beach plans?

A two-year state study released Thursday says this could be reality in 25 years, when motorists would face also mile-long lines in the off-season both Friday nights and Saturday afternoons.

Even the westbound traffic crossing the Chesapeake Bay could see three-mile daily backups in the summer and Sunday lines stretching 14 miles.

While the Maryland Transportation Authority's study determined both existing bridge spans are safe and can be maintained in good condition for the next 50 years, new construction may need to come sooner to relieve growing traffic pressures.

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

[cpzilliacus]

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?

[The Ghostbuster]

Make the new bridge Interstate Standard and extend 595 to exit 46! Then maybe it could be signposted (a big maybe).

[Alps]

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?

If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

[cpzilliacus]

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?

If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?

[Alps]

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?

If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?

Check out the Williamsburg Bridge in NY for an example of outboard roadways. In that case, I believe trucks are required to stay on the inside. The Brooklyn Bridge also has them, though only one direction is used as a road. It's entirely specific to each structure as to what can be done.

[cl94]

Keep the westbound span and widen the eastbound span to three lanes; leaving the highway as is.

How in the world can a suspension span be widened?

Has a suspension bridge ever been widened?

If sufficiently structurally designed, you could add outboard roadways on each side, as long as they're balanced in size.

Interesting.

Would look "funny," I think. 

Wonder if the outboard roadways be able to safely support a legal fully-loaded tractor-trailer combination?

Check out the Williamsburg Bridge in NY for an example of outboard roadways. In that case, I believe trucks are required to stay on the inside. The Brooklyn Bridge also has them, though only one direction is used as a road. It's entirely specific to each structure as to what can be done.

Trucks must use the outside

[mariethefoxy]

could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

[1995hoo]

could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

[cl94]

could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

That and the bridges weren't designed for second decks. The GW and Verrazano were designed for two decks.

[cpzilliacus]

could they do an upper and lower level thing like the Verezano and George Washington Bridges?

I doubt it.  cl94's comment below is, I believe, correct.

That and the bridges weren't designed for second decks. The GW and Verrazano were designed for two decks.

Yeah, for starters, there is only one pair of suspension cables for each bridge.  The GWB and Verrazano Narrows have "double" cables (two on each side for a total of four), so they could hold-up that second deck.

[cpzilliacus]

On the Bay Bridge that's probably a lot less practical, and costlier, than the "outside" design. Bear in mind it's not a suspension bridge all the way across the bay–only the highest portion in each direction, located over the shipping channel, is a suspension span. That means figuring out some way to cut through, or else extend, all the support columns.

Though I suspect that might be easier than adding lanes at the suspension spans. 

All together, it is certainly less difficult and maybe even cheaper, just to build another span.