Department of Redundancy Department

[Bruce]

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

Probably Tukwila, the previous end of the line stop.

No, it's probably Angle Lake (200th St.), which should open at the end of this year.

We have a winner!

These signs were installed for the 2016 changes and will likely be replaced in 2021-2023 for the next round of light rail extensions (Lynnwood, Kent/Des Moines, Bellevue/Overlake).

[JoePCool14]

A potential redundancy on this I-94 sign.

Thoughts on this one?

[jbnv]

A potential redundancy on this I-94 sign.

Thoughts on this one?

The JCT is unnecessary.

[Zeffy]

A potential redundancy on this I-94 sign.

Thoughts on this one?

The JCT is unnecessary.

Or the TO, seeing as how the interchange for 94 is literally right there. 

[thenetwork]

To the defense of the sign:  I think they may be saying that TO JCT means BOTH East & West I-94.  Whereas the next sign mentions only TO I-90 West. 

Reality:  Drop the JCT.

[signalman]

To the defense of the sign:  I think they may be saying that TO JCT means BOTH East & West I-94.  Whereas the next sign mentions only TO I-90 West. 

Reality:  Drop the JCT.

I don't think that TO JCT placards have anything to do with the fact that one can access I-94 both east and westbound.  Only I-90 West is mentioned on the other sign because eastbound 90 and 94 merge just east of the West Wilson Ave interchange.  What it needs is the TO JCT placards removed and East and West tabs added.  If they wanted to get fancy, they could add an I-90 East sign.

[Alex4897]

DE 2 / 72 at Cleveland Avenue.  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.686591,-75.7361885,3a,66.3y,104.91h,81.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPK1HRwoxkitlgjDXcFuA1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

These are pretty new, you used to be allowed to make a u-turn and utilize the right-hand turn lane on the opposite side of the intersection (for whatever reason) to get to DE 2.  They were changed in a recent project at this intersection that redid the signals, changed DE 2 to split phasing (for the sake of adding another left turn lane for getting onto Cleveland Avenue), and removed a much needed second left turn lane from Cleveland onto DE 2.

[Alex]

DE 2 / 72 at Cleveland Avenue.  https://www.google.com/maps/@39.686591,-75.7361885,3a,66.3y,104.91h,81.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPK1HRwoxkitlgjDXcFuA1A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

These are pretty new, you used to be allowed to make a u-turn and utilize the right-hand turn lane on the opposite side of the intersection (for whatever reason) to get to DE 2.  They were changed in a recent project at this intersection that redid the signals, changed DE 2 to split phasing (for the sake of adding another left turn lane for getting onto Cleveland Avenue), and removed a much needed second left turn lane from Cleveland onto DE 2.

Split phasing on Kirkwood Hwy mainline? Newark just gets dumber and dumber. I admit they needed more left turn capacity for Cleveland Ave from DE 2/72 west, but taking away the second turn lane from Cleveland Av west to DE 2/72 is a bad way of achieving it. They should acquire some of the dealership parking area there and expand the intersection to handle the commuter traffic vs ignoring it like they have done for the last 20 years. /localrant

I think the loop across Cleveland Ave from was for trucks servicing the car dealerships. As for the signals,  an intersection near me is being resignalized to have five signals (including a FYA) facing two lanes of traffic. Overkill is just the standard these days.

[Alex4897]

Split phasing on Kirkwood Hwy mainline? Newark just gets dumber and dumber. I admit they needed more left turn capacity for Cleveland Ave from DE 2/72 west, but taking away the second turn lane from Cleveland Av west to DE 2/72 is a bad way of achieving it. They should acquire some of the dealership parking area there and expand the intersection to handle the commuter traffic vs ignoring it like they have done for the last 20 years. /localrant

They're pretty limited by the underpass for the CSX line on the south leg of the intersection though.  Sure they got the extra left turn lane to Cleveland that they wanted, but they didn't solve any of the delays (they arguably made it worse) because of the extra wait time that came as a result.
Removing the second left turn lane from Cleveland to DE 2/72 didn't even seem related to anything else they did, I have no clue what their rationale for pulling that was.  The queue for turning left there is significantly longer now.

[national highway 1]

[Bruce]

If only that street was "Olympic Park Drive". Would've been a nice topper.

[jeffandnicole]

From not completing a sign replacement project from long ago...

https://goo.gl/maps/NTupPLAYKFA2

The Repaupo 1/2 Mile Button Copy sign here was replaced with the Repaupo/Gibbstown 1/2 sign just a few feet up the road.  The old sign was never removed.  We're talking years here.

Just for kicks: The small 295/130 sign telling you to keep left even though there's just one lane is from when this was a 2 lane ramp and the right lane ended at Exit 14.  That dual lane setup was removed in the 1990's!  You can still see the former reflector casing embedded in the bridge deck from that era here: https://goo.gl/maps/mBhofjuUgrq

[thefraze_1020]

Those lanes must have been seriously narrow when that bridge had two lanes.

But, I'm digging the state-name Interstate shield on that "Keep Left" sign.

[jeffandnicole]

Those lanes must have been seriously narrow when that bridge had two lanes.

But, I'm digging the state-name Interstate shield on that "Keep Left" sign.

They were normal lanes...but no shoulders, so it was a bit tight. At the 'touchdown' point on the other side of this overpass, the ramp there had been completely redone so there's no reminisce of the width and lane assignments there prior to the reconstruction.  I'm a bit surprised the lamppost there doesn't get hit though! https://goo.gl/maps/9Vfmtuduhup 

[noelbotevera]

Triple redundancy for triple redundant sign makers.

[hbelkins]

This was bound to happen...

(Look closely at the Audubon Parkway sign...)



Source: Kentucky's Photolog viewer, which is KYTC's own little version of Google Street View.

[paulthemapguy]

Here's a good one if you know what the symbology stands for...
Photo taken in Plainfield, IL

[GenExpwy]

Here's a good one if you know what the symbology stands for...
Photo taken in Plainfield, IL

Actually, that’s a MUTCD standard

Option:
01 The Slippery When Wet (W8-5) sign (see Figure 2C-6) may be used to warn of unexpected slippery conditions. Supplemental plaques with legends such as ICE, WHEN WET, STEEL DECK, or EXCESS OIL may be used with the W8-5 sign to indicate the reason that the slippery conditions might be present.

NYSDOT is increasingly using the ICE plaque to replace ICY PAVEMENT ZONE signs.

This brings me to my peeve with the W8-5 sign: there’s nothing in the symbol itself that says the car is skidding because of liquid water, as opposed to something else.

I’d like to see the W8-5 renamed something like Poor Traction sign, to cover all bad-traction conditions, and require a plaque explaining why your car might turn sideways. Some other plaques that might be used are:

• LOOSE GRAVEL (replacing W8-7)
• ICE ON BRIDGE (replacing W8-13)
• SNOW DRIFTS
• REDUCED SALT USE
• MUD (areas with heavy farm-machine traffic)

[jeffandnicole]

Here's a good one if you know what the symbology stands for...
Photo taken in Plainfield, IL

Actually, that's a MUTCD standard

Option:
01 The Slippery When Wet (W8-5) sign (see Figure 2C-6) may be used to warn of unexpected slippery conditions. Supplemental plaques with legends such as ICE, WHEN WET, STEEL DECK, or EXCESS OIL may be used with the W8-5 sign to indicate the reason that the slippery conditions might be present.

NYSDOT is increasingly using the ICE plaque to replace ICY PAVEMENT ZONE signs.

This brings me to my peeve with the W8-5 sign: there's nothing in the symbol itself that says the car is skidding because of liquid water, as opposed to something else.

I'd like to see the W8-5 renamed something like Poor Traction sign, to cover all bad-traction conditions, and require a plaque explaining why your car might turn sideways. Some other plaques that might be used are:

• LOOSE GRAVEL (replacing W8-7)
• ICE ON BRIDGE (replacing W8-13)
• SNOW DRIFTS
• REDUCED SALT USE
• MUD (areas with heavy farm-machine traffic)

We should be using more picture-type signage than word type signage.  This type sign has been used for ages to note possible slippery conditions.  Seems straight forward to me.

[paulthemapguy]

We should be using more picture-type signage than word type signage.  This type sign has been used for ages to note possible slippery conditions.  Seems straight forward to me.

Exactly.  If the MUTCD has a standard for it, then the standard is for redundancy lol

[bzakharin]

Here's a good one if you know what the symbology stands for...
Photo taken in Plainfield, IL

Actually, that's a MUTCD standard

Option:
01 The Slippery When Wet (W8-5) sign (see Figure 2C-6) may be used to warn of unexpected slippery conditions. Supplemental plaques with legends such as ICE, WHEN WET, STEEL DECK, or EXCESS OIL may be used with the W8-5 sign to indicate the reason that the slippery conditions might be present.

NYSDOT is increasingly using the ICE plaque to replace ICY PAVEMENT ZONE signs.

This brings me to my peeve with the W8-5 sign: there's nothing in the symbol itself that says the car is skidding because of liquid water, as opposed to something else.

I'd like to see the W8-5 renamed something like Poor Traction sign, to cover all bad-traction conditions, and require a plaque explaining why your car might turn sideways. Some other plaques that might be used are:

• LOOSE GRAVEL (replacing W8-7)
• ICE ON BRIDGE (replacing W8-13)
• SNOW DRIFTS
• REDUCED SALT USE
• MUD (areas with heavy farm-machine traffic)

We should be using more picture-type signage than word type signage.  This type sign has been used for ages to note possible slippery conditions.  Seems straight forward to me.

Except most people don't realize what it means (they confuse it with the curve sign)

[paulthemapguy]

Sorry, it really is important to differentiate between roads that are slippery when wet and roads that are slippery when DRY. 

[theline]

Sorry, it really is important to differentiate between roads that are slippery when wet and roads that are slippery when DRY. 

Sorry to dispute you, but the differentiation seems important to me. I want to know the reason for slipperiness, because it may affect my driving. If it says WHEN WET and it's raining, I'll slow down. If it's a sunny day, I'll keep moving. If it says ICE and the temperature is near or below freezing, I'll slow down. If the temperature is 60, I'll move along.

[jakeroot]

Except most people don't realize what it means (they confuse it with the curve sign)

Says who? I don't think the MUTCD would include the sign if they didn't think people were catching on to its meaning.

[busman_49]

Except most people don't realize what it means (they confuse it with the curve sign)

Says who? I don't think the MUTCD would include the sign if they didn't think people were catching on to its meaning.

I train people how to drive a bus and part of the training is for them to be able to recognize signs they've seen along the way.  A few times I've picked out the Slippery When Wet signs, and when I asked, "What was that sign we just passed?" a few times I've gotten "curve" as the answer.