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US71

#250
March 04, 2020, 08:46:40 PM  
There are reports that Pope Francis has contracted the virus.
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kalvado

#251
March 04, 2020, 08:51:03 PM  

Bruce

#252
March 04, 2020, 09:15:20 PM  
Updates from Seattle:

King County has bought a motel in Kent that will be used for voluntary quarantines, but the city government is protesting over the lack of notice: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/covid-19-isolation-site-getting-set-up-white-center/RKPEH5B42JDQBNTNIMWD7SM3HE/

Metro is spraying down all buses with a rapid sprayer every night to sanitize buses. Ridership seems to have declined as people are working from home or just driving. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/king-county-metro-to-use-backpack-sprayers-to-sanitize-buses-against-coronavirus/

Most stores are still out of hand sanitizer, sanitizing sprays, rubbing alcohol, thermometers, and masks. Several major employers (Expedia, Nordstrom, Amazon) are telling employees to work from home when possible.
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#253
March 04, 2020, 09:22:01 PM  
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 04, 2020, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: stormwatch7721 on March 04, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
I didn't see your thread.
@Max Rockatansky is referring to comparison with swine flu, mexican flu, whatever else came and went without major effect.
It is anyone's guess if this is the same situation, and we'll all vaguely remember something few months from now. Or it could be a real thing at the end of the day.

The concerning thing for me as someone who has been involved in emergency Managment is that every time there is something in news like this the coverage has become increasingly alarmist in nature.  In turn it causes a lot of regular people to panic and do things like clear off shelves at stores or start doing things that grind everyday life to a halt.

People in my area are losing their shit. I went to Walmart Neighborhood Market today to pick up a couple of things and the place was a madhouse. Every open checkout had lines backed up with carts packed, half of which was jugs and bottles of water. You'd think a hurricane was in the forecast. Walmart's gas station was getting sucked dry as well, especially since it usually has the cheapest gas in town ($1.78 today).
"I don't know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch!" -Jim Cornette

jeffandnicole

#255
March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM  
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.

kalvado

#256
March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM  
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.
Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.

Rothman

#257
March 04, 2020, 10:47:53 PM  
Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.
Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.
This is nonsense.  It's to protect those who can't be vaccinated or are more susceptible to the flu.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kalvado

#258
March 05, 2020, 06:55:10 AM  
Quote from: Rothman on March 04, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: kalvado on March 04, 2020, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 04, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
I've seen a number of people post that certsin high level people ask if the flu shot would help against the virus. Those people laugh and basically can't believe how dumb they are for asking the question.

In the meantime, I'm thinking to myself: You know what else the flu shot hasn't prevented? The flu! Way too often do we hear how the flu shot isn't protecting against the strain that is going around, and the number of people that get the flu shot and get very sick or die is staggering.
Its almost openly said that annual flu shots are pushed in order to support vaccine manufacturing capability, not for health effects.
As a matter of fact, none of EU countries recommends blanket US style vaccinations for everyone.
This is nonsense.  It's to protect those who can't be vaccinated or are more susceptible to the flu.
Thing is, herd immunity - that is the effect you're talking about - is pretty real, and is a does work.
Problem is that not all vaccines (and all infections) are created equal. Flu vaccine, in particular, has a very low efficiency, well below 50% on average. This is CDC data, I am not making things up. Just for comparison, one dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella - and there are multiple doses. Herd effect requires efficiencies in 90s to work.
So there is no herd immunity for flu vaccine - and this argument doesn't hold water. If it was the primary reasons, vaccinations would be called off once efficiency falls below certain threshold. I do rememeber though CDC specifically calling for continuing vaccinations when vaccine was especially bad and efficiency fell below 20%. So.. Nope, that is not the reason for flu.

vdeane

#259
March 05, 2020, 01:00:34 PM  
Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

The two people from Buffalo tested negative.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

jeffandnicole

#260
March 05, 2020, 01:25:27 PM  
Quote from: vdeane on March 05, 2020, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

The two people from Buffalo tested negative.

Good.

And as to Rothman's comment, while it's true government employees get a lot of sick time, there's also just as many that abuse that time.  Some people, such as me, have hoards of time.  Some others, like a few coworkers of mine, could find themselves without any time by the end of this month!

bing101

#264
March 05, 2020, 08:32:56 PM  

Rothman

#265
March 05, 2020, 10:06:13 PM  
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 05, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 05, 2020, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 03, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: vdeane on March 03, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
So two people at NYSDOT's Buffalo office came back from Northern Italy with symptoms and went into work as if nothing was happening.

Ugh.  If this is true, it shows how much priorities are out of whack.  NYSDOT employees accrue ample sick leave.

But, if it is just a rumor coming from jerk employees, that's another matter.

The two people from Buffalo tested negative.

Good.

And as to Rothman's comment, while it's true government employees get a lot of sick time, there's also just as many that abuse that time.  Some people, such as me, have hoards of time.  Some others, like a few coworkers of mine, could find themselves without any time by the end of this month!
All that still comes back to them not having the time or not taking the time for a lot of wrong reasons.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

AlexandriaVA

#267
March 05, 2020, 10:36:48 PM  
I think it's fair to assume that every major metro area will have cases

bing101

#268
March 05, 2020, 10:45:04 PM  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEiy4E_jXLM


Update Ontario and Alberta has announced a COVID-19 investigation in Canada.

bing101

#269
March 06, 2020, 09:16:07 AM  

kalvado

#270
March 06, 2020, 09:24:08 AM  
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on March 05, 2020, 10:36:48 PM
I think it's fair to assume that every major metro area will have cases
The way things go, there will be 1 million sick people in the world by the end of the month, a few thousand in US - maybe tens thousands. Stay calm and wash your hands.

Tonytone

#271
March 06, 2020, 10:36:25 AM  


I've been handing these out to businesses & restaurants in Philly & Delaware.

Please people stay calm. Some of yall made it through worse events.


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Tonytone

#272
March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM  
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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Max Rockatansky

#273
March 06, 2020, 10:59:52 AM  
Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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More than likely people on a general won't even level won't even remember much if anything, that's kind of human nature to do.  It happens that way with natural disasters or really much of anything notable in the news. 

kalvado

#274
March 06, 2020, 11:02:26 AM  
Quote from: Tonytone on March 06, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
One thing I hope this event brings is...

1.More Respect for Healthcare & stocking piling supplies for our country, Medical & etc.

2.Making china respect healthcode & environmental laws.

3.Common sense. COMMON SENSE.

4.More funding for WHO/CDC & any other health program.

5.It would be good to note that people still Die from STD's other viruses & life everyday.


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1. CDC failed MISERABLY. Respect should be earned, not begged for. Healthcare system needs some people fired. And I don't mean HR style firing, I mean old style one with a good firing squad.
2. China showed how to deal with infection. First world countries showed how to fail it.  See 1.
3. No way. We have democracy instead.
4. More efficiency in spending funds, you mean?
5. Life is an STD disease, inevitably leading to a fatal outcome.
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