Coronavirus pandemic

[D-Dey65]

Gentrification had been ruining my city over the past few years. But a few days ago, I saw an article that said coronavirus has pretty much permanently killed the "renaissance" the city has had. Real estate values are going to plummet, but they were artificially high in the first place because of the price fixing by gentrification land pirates, so they need to come down.

I doubt it's going to get back to a level where I can afford to move back to the region again, though.

This pandemic is pissing me off anyhow! I want to get back to taking road trips again!

[SSOWorld]

Friend of mine started a trip to Texas a week ago, but then aborted the trip on the way down - turning back home - nothing was open.  He's in a 2 week quarantine regardless (ordered by work) after which he (like me) will be working from home.

[jakeroot]

Do y'all have 'Tap to Pay' down there?

Went for groceries this morning......used self-checkout and just Tapped to Pay with my credit card.

Picked up a coffee at Tims and again just Tapped to Pay.

No Hockey on TV tonight but we've got beer and will probably order a pizza anyway. I'll tell the delivery guy what to add for a tip....then I'll just tap the device.

I haven't touched a bill or change in days.

The US definitely has tap to pay now. Canada was a few years ahead but the tap to pay terminals are everywhere now. Chips and tap to pay basically arrived at the same time. It's all I've used (when possible) for a couple years now with my Samsung phone.

Weirdly, Canadian stores still make me sign something after I tap to pay. Never understood why. Some difference between American and Canadian banks I guess.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm wondering if there will be new/revitalized efforts to split some of the states after the pandemic.  Particularly Illinois.

What is the point of the split?
I can see megalopolis shrinkage after all this, NYC and Bay area in particular, but that is a different story

There definitely has been a huge advantage to be living in a rural area  through out what is actively going on.  In regards to the Bay Area that was reaching unsustainable level anyways giving the skyrocketing home prices and urban sprawl to San Juan County.  The major problem with expecting an urban exodus is that most of the desirable modern jobs that people want are still going to be in a major urban area.

If remote work wouldn't become the norm.
I can even see a half-way solution, when lots of remote offices operate as real offices (attendance, discipline, etc) with a lot of telecommute to headquarters.

Why that may work in a lot of the tech industry and much of white collar work places it will be tough sell for entrenched companies to make that a regular thing.  I used to work remotely all the time and it was just as effective as doing the same thing sitting in an office.  The trouble was that the mindset of being in the office constantly and more work being better somehow was too pervasive to keep at bay forever. 

[dvferyance]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

[Max Rockatansky]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

I disagree, they are a huge trading partner and it would be an economic disaster unto itself.  I haven't had a chance to reply to JN yet but I think he's right on the money about why new infections tend crop up in Asia first. 

[1995hoo]

My brother-in-law is a first responder and was tested earlier today because he's running a fever. He said the test is unpleasant–they stick a swab way up your nose, all the way back near the soft palate, and the reason for doing it that way is that you're far less likely to gag than if they swabbed your throat.

[bandit957]

My brother-in-law is a first responder and was tested earlier today because he's running a fever. He said the test is unpleasant–they stick a swab way up your nose, all the way back near the soft palate, and the reason for doing it that way is that you're far less likely to gag than if they swabbed your throat.

I had that test when I had whooping cough.

[bing101]

https://www.ktnv.com/news/gov-sisolak-making-coronavirus-announcement-at-1-30-p-m




Update Nevada has issued a "Non Essential Business Shutdown Order"


https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/clark-county-announces-course-of-action-for-emergency-declaration-enforcement/

[Alps]

New Jersey is now a shelter-in-place state and flights to major NY airports are about to be suspended due to lack of staff...

[Bruce]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

Except for our trade dependence on them, the millions of people with family and friends on either side, the many businesses in the U.S. that have offices there, the U.S. tourism industry that relies on Chinese traffic, etc etc.

It's really stupid to put a permanent travel ban over a temporary problem. China's government is to blame for the severity of this outbreak, but it could have originated anywhere with human-animal interaction.

[kalvado]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

Except for our trade dependence on them, the millions of people with family and friends on either side, the many businesses in the U.S. that have offices there, the U.S. tourism industry that relies on Chinese traffic, etc etc.

It's really stupid to put a permanent travel ban over a temporary problem. China's government is to blame for the severity of this outbreak, but it could have originated anywhere with human-animal interaction.

For your reference, government of United States of America is usually spelled "US government", not "China's government"

[bing101]

https://www.wdsu.com/article/new-orleans-mayor-to-residents-stay-home-mandate-issued-because-of-covid-19/31826706#
Update New Orleans has issued a city wide shelter in place order.

[Roadgeekteen]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

That's a terrible idea

[RobbieL2415]

Daily reminder that:

- Habeus corpus is still in effect
- Free movement is still allowed
- There has been no declaration of martial law.  Anywhere.  Period.

You will not get arrested for merely being out in public.  There's a lot of misinformation going around to the contrary.

[Bruce]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

Except for our trade dependence on them, the millions of people with family and friends on either side, the many businesses in the U.S. that have offices there, the U.S. tourism industry that relies on Chinese traffic, etc etc.

It's really stupid to put a permanent travel ban over a temporary problem. China's government is to blame for the severity of this outbreak, but it could have originated anywhere with human-animal interaction.

For your reference, government of United States of America is usually spelled "US government", not "China's government"

The U.S. government is not to blame for the original outbreak, but is to blame for the mishandling of the U.S. side of things (and there are a lot of things that have been mishandled). China's government suppressed information about the virus for over a month, losing valuable time for WHO and other governments to prepare for a global pandemic.

But the original point is that we should not blame the people for the actions of their government.

[Max Rockatansky]

Daily reminder that:

- Habeus corpus is still in effect
- Free movement is still allowed
- There has been no declaration of martial law.  Anywhere.  Period.

You will not get arrested for merely being out in public.  There's a lot of misinformation going around to the contrary.

The term being used here is "social pressure."   I find that amusing since I barely interact with anyone to begin. 

[kalvado]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

Except for our trade dependence on them, the millions of people with family and friends on either side, the many businesses in the U.S. that have offices there, the U.S. tourism industry that relies on Chinese traffic, etc etc.

It's really stupid to put a permanent travel ban over a temporary problem. China's government is to blame for the severity of this outbreak, but it could have originated anywhere with human-animal interaction.

For your reference, government of United States of America is usually spelled "US government", not "China's government"

The U.S. government is not to blame for the original outbreak, but is to blame for the mishandling of the U.S. side of things (and there are a lot of things that have been mishandled). China's government suppressed information about the virus for over a month, losing valuable time for WHO and other governments to prepare for a global pandemic.

But the original point is that we should not blame the people for the actions of their government.

for less than a week, if that. And a huge question if they could change things. Given what we know today - probably not.

[RobbieL2415]

I would be in favor of a permanent travel ban on China. I mean really what do you need them for anyways? They are not are friends they haven't been for a really long time.

Except for our trade dependence on them, the millions of people with family and friends on either side, the many businesses in the U.S. that have offices there, the U.S. tourism industry that relies on Chinese traffic, etc etc.

It's really stupid to put a permanent travel ban over a temporary problem. China's government is to blame for the severity of this outbreak, but it could have originated anywhere with human-animal interaction.

For your reference, government of United States of America is usually spelled "US government", not "China's government"

The U.S. government is not to blame for the original outbreak, but is to blame for the mishandling of the U.S. side of things (and there are a lot of things that have been mishandled). China's government suppressed information about the virus for over a month, losing valuable time for WHO and other governments to prepare for a global pandemic.

But the original point is that we should not blame the people for the actions of their government.

I think a lot of Americans don't understand that we have multiple levels of government, and each one has specific powers reserved to it.  When you see the actions being taken in the EU, those countries have given themselves a strong centralized government.  They can excersise a broader authority. 

There isn't much our Federal government can do to make the states do something, as they have a great deal of sovereignty.

[J N Winkler]

I haven't dug into the details of the mandatory lockdowns in all of the states that have them, but Illinois' specifically protects outdoor recreation (walking, hiking, biking, etc.) as an "essential activity" so long as social distancing is observed.

[kalvado]

I haven't dug into the details of the mandatory lockdowns in all of the states that have them, but Illinois' specifically protects outdoor recreation (walking, hiking, biking, etc.) as an "essential activity" so long as social distancing is observed.

It makes sense. Anything without face-to-face interaction should be fine.
While we're at it, liquor stores are essential businesses in NY.

[renegade]

Daily reminder that:

- Habeus corpus is still in effect
- Free movement is still allowed
- There has been no declaration of martial law.  Anywhere.  Period.

You will not get arrested for merely being out in public.  There's a lot of misinformation going around to the contrary.

The term being used here is "social pressure."   I find that amusing since I barely interact with anyone to begin.

Same here.  I give exactly zero fucks about social pressure.  The fewer people I have to deal with, the better.

[Max Rockatansky]

Daily reminder that:

- Habeus corpus is still in effect
- Free movement is still allowed
- There has been no declaration of martial law.  Anywhere.  Period.

You will not get arrested for merely being out in public.  There's a lot of misinformation going around to the contrary.

The term being used here is "social pressure."   I find that amusing since I barely interact with anyone to begin.

Same here.  I give exactly zero fucks about social pressure.  The fewer people I have to deal with, the better.

The irony is for me that all this has made me interact with more people in this past week than I would in three months, largely not by choice.  At this point if I can find some BLM land that has a hiking trail open I'm taking the opportunity to disappear from cell range for a day. 

[jeffandnicole]

Daily reminder that:

- Habeus corpus is still in effect
- Free movement is still allowed
- There has been no declaration of martial law.  Anywhere.  Period.

You will not get arrested for merely being out in public.  There's a lot of misinformation going around to the contrary.

NJ, in their order to close non-essential businesses, did say to go out for walks to get some exercise.  Apparently in some towns people are calling 911 simply because kids are playing together.  The police are trying to insist not to call 911 for that...if you have an issue with that and feel you must call someone, call the local non-emergency line.   Speaking of, in a newspaper article, the police were asked if they were going to stop people out between 8pm and 5am (the original quasi-curfew time).  Not only did they say they're not really going to stop motorists for driving during that time, most officers said they're not going to stop people for minor infractions - they want to stay away from us as much as possible themselves.

[kwellada]

For those who love data points and charts, here's a link to a chart showing rates in various countries including the timeframes where lockdowns took place:

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1241463928271581185

Right now it looks like South Korea may have nailed the initial containment better than others.