Freeways without route numbers?

[MarkF]

Jamboree Rd in Irvine, CA for a couple of miles south of CA 261
https://goo.gl/maps/b6y6HaeC54o6Jz2g6

[TheHighwayMan3561]

In Madison, WI, Campus Dr is un-numbered.

Mike

1. Isn't this Dane County MS?

2. This isn't really a freeway, just a regular road with an interchange.

[DJ Particle]

I don't believe Minnesota has any today. Before 2008 there was a short unnamed/unnumbered freeway section connecting I-494 to US 212, before 212 was routed onto this section when the new 212 freeway was completed.

Wasn't that technically MN-312 at the time?  I remember the MN-5 portion being a MN-5/312 multiplex according to signage on the crossing surface streets.

[Bruce]

The West Seattle Freeway / Spokane Street Viaduct in Seattle is maintained by the city and has been "demoted" on signage to just say West Seattle Bridge. It has had a lower speed limit for quite some time despite being at near-freeway standards (when open).

The Airport Expressway at Sea-Tac Airport is maintained by the Port of Seattle and does not have a real name. We're not very creative with our highway names, despite having plenty of fine people to memorialize (including those who would pay $$$ for it).

[CNGL-Leudimin]

If you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world.     I don't think the OP had this in mind.

If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.

For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west.  Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.

So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. 

View:

https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7

The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.

[TheGrassGuy]

Palisades Interstate Parkway
Garden State Parkway
NJTP south of I-95

[CNGL-Leudimin]

Palisades Interstate Parkway
Garden State Parkway
NJTP south of I-95

NJ 445/NY 987C, NJ 444, NJ 700. Though none signed.

[Roadgeekteen]

 the Everett Turnpike for part of it's way has no numbers. (always thought it should be US 3 but whatever)

[Beltway]

- The Intermodal Connector in Norfolk, VA (partial interchange at I-564, incomplete interchange at other end with VA-337)

The project published materials refer to it as the "I-564 Intermodal Connector."

That makes it sound like they were going to designate it as such, but in fact it connects I-564 to the central area of the Norfolk marine terminals.  It does have full connections with the terminals and in its current form is meant to provide a freight interface between Interstate highways, mainline railroads, and shipping.

It will be a segment of a future highway connecting I-564 to the I-664 bridge-tunnel.  As such that would probably entail a full interchange with VA-337, but given the high skew with I-564 they won't build northerly ramps there.

[sprjus4]

It will be a segment of a future highway connecting I-564 to the I-664 bridge-tunnel.  As such that would probably entail a full interchange with VA-337, but given the high skew with I-564 they won't build northerly ramps there.

The current design of the Third Crossing calls for completing the interchange at NIT / Gate 6 as a SPUI, but no connections besides the existing westbound exit ramp to VA-337.



I haven't been down there in a while, but when I drove the connector back in September, the only access opened still was only to NIT. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp where still both closed off. The project opened in that partial form in December 2017 and was supposed to be completed by September 2018, however still doesn't appear to be complete. VDOT's project website for the connector hadn't been updated for a while, and as of now has been deactivated.

In its current state, it's long enough to be considered a short independent freeway segment that does not carry a route number.

EDIT: Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.

[coldshoulder]

If you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world.     I don't think the OP had this in mind.

If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.

For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west.  Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.

So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. 

View:

https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7

The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.

I've been accused oftentimes of being dense, so perhaps this isn't too surprising.  But I'm still confused as to what you're describing. It sounds exactly like I what presented in my first sentence and paragraph in my initial reply quoted above.

It seems to me it's just a standard trumpet interchange that connects two major freeways; in this case maybe a little longer than most but certainly not long enough to be considered an unnumbered freeway.

I believe it does have two lanes prior to the toll booths, coming off the Turnpike eastbound (being a major movement of I-80 East from the Turnpike to I-80 East, a non-tolled different carriageway).  This stretch is posted at 40 mph, again making the case that it's not a freeway.

Perhaps some other posters can help...

 

[hotdogPi]

If you're referring to the double trumpet that serves as the entrance/exit connector (thru the toll booths) between the Turnpike and I-76 west and I-80 east, then you'd have to consider thousands of those same type structures across the country/world.     I don't think the OP had this in mind.

If you're referring to the southerly extension of that trumpet to Mahoning Avenue (CR-18) utilizing the original interchange with the Turnpike, that's not a freeway by any stretch of the imagination; it's nothing more than a glorified connecting exit/entrance ramp, with a posted speed limit of 35 mph--certainly not a freeway.

For somebody traveling in either direction on Mahoning Avenue/CR-18, the connection only allows access to the Turnpike (I-80 west, and I-76 east), and doesn't permit one to access I-80 east, or I-76 west.  Likewise, somebody traveling on I-80 west or I-76 east *prior to the Turnpike* cannot access this connector to get to Mahoning Ave.

So to summarize: it's a short section of road, with a reduced speed limit, one lane in each direction separated only by a foot-high or less concrete median, and provides only a connection to and from the Turnpike, and not the other major east-west freeway at that interchange = NOT a freeway. 

View:

https://goo.gl/maps/W4iCp2QvzzoYyPPu7

The section I was referring to wasn't either one (I consider the toll booths to have a wrong-way concurrency of I-76 and I-80, and thus to be numbered), but to the tiny stretch between the off-ramp to and the on-ramp from the Ohio Turnpike on the freeway that runs due East-West, which is physically unnumbered and even unnamed. Mr. Google puts the number of the oncoming road in both directions, even though one isn't yet in that.

I've been accused oftentimes of being dense, so perhaps this isn't too surprising.  But I'm still confused as to what you're describing. It sounds exactly like I what presented in my first sentence and paragraph in my initial reply quoted above.

It seems to me it's just a standard trumpet interchange that connects two major freeways; in this case maybe a little longer than most but certainly not long enough to be considered an unnumbered freeway.

I believe it does have two lanes prior to the toll booths, coming off the Turnpike eastbound (being a major movement of I-80 East from the Turnpike to I-80 East, a non-tolled different carriageway).  This stretch is posted at 40 mph, again making the case that it's not a freeway.

Perhaps some other posters can help...

The stretch he is referring to is on the mainline, not on the ramp.

[froggie]

A better thread title would be "freeways without signed route numbers".  Many of the examples cited have route number designations, but are not signed with those designations.

I don't believe Minnesota has any today. Before 2008 there was a short unnamed/unnumbered freeway section connecting I-494 to US 212, before 212 was routed onto this section when the new 212 freeway was completed.

Wasn't that technically MN-312 at the time?  I remember the MN-5 portion being a MN-5/312 multiplex according to signage on the crossing surface streets.

That segment between 494 and Flying Cloud was never MN 312.  Prior to the completion of the US 212 freeway, it had the internal designation of MN 805.

- The Intermodal Connector in Norfolk, VA (partial interchange at I-564, incomplete interchange at other end with VA-337)

The project published materials refer to it as the "I-564 Intermodal Connector."

The VDOT route logs of the early 2000s listed it as VA 510, though that designation does not appear to be in current use.

Current (March 2020) VDOT road shapefiles, curiously, do not show the Intermodel Connector.  Online GIS maps suggest it's currently designated as a pair of ramps.

[ozarkman417]

In Fayetteville, AR I don't think Fulbright Expressway (the northern one) has a route designation. On I-49, it is signed as 71B, though 71B dosen't actually goes on the expressway, as 71B appears to continue on College Ave on either side of the interchange.

[CoreySamson]

James White Parkway in Knoxville south of when TN-158 leaves the route and Sam Cooper Boulevard in Memphis are Tennessee's only unsigned freeways.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis. It was meant to become part of I-40 and was partially built but locals blocked building it through the Memphis Zoo.

To my knowledge, it has no numerical designation.

Mentioned on the previous page.

Oops, didn't see that.


I'm assuming the Hardy Toll Road, the Westpark Tollway, and the Fort Bend Parkway in Houston qualify for this, since none of those have numerical designations.

One could also say Memorial Drive immediately west of downtown Houston is a freeway for a couple of blocks.

Also, wouldn't the Sam Houston Tollway qualify for this? Beltway 8 isn't the freeway portion of the route, it's the feeder road; so technically the Sam Houston Tollway might qualify.

[Crown Victoria]

A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:

Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD

Still part of I-70. It was authorized for removal from I-70 to make way for a new transit facility. However, that facility got canceled, so the removal got canceled too.

Well I do know that the removal of I-70 east of I-695 was submitted to and approved by AASHTO a few years ago, and there are no reassurance signs on that stretch of road.  However, there are signs on I-695 and over on Ingleside Avenue showing it as I-70 (old signs, perhaps). 

FWIW, Wikipedia lists I-70's terminus as the interchange with I-695, while Google Maps shows it extending to its old end at the park and ride.  Both are of course know for their accuracy...

[hotdogPi]

Is NE2's list on Wikipedia (see first page) up to date?

[bing101]

West Seattle Bridge is a freeway but that's owned by the city of Seattle.

[oscar]

A new-but-old unnumbered freeway segment:

Former Interstate 70 east of I-695 in Baltimore, MD

Still part of I-70. It was authorized for removal from I-70 to make way for a new transit facility. However, that facility got canceled, so the removal got canceled too.

Well I do know that the removal of I-70 east of I-695 was submitted to and approved by AASHTO a few years ago, and there are no reassurance signs on that stretch of road.  However, there are signs on I-695 and over on Ingleside Avenue showing it as I-70 (old signs, perhaps). 

FWIW, Wikipedia lists I-70's terminus as the interchange with I-695, while Google Maps shows it extending to its old end at the park and ride.  Both are of course know for their accuracy...

I've seen other situations where a DOT got AASHTO approval for a route change, then decided "oh, never mind" and didn't make the change.

In this instance, the latest state route logs I've reviewed agree with Google Maps, though there's enough inconsistent signage to confuse people about the I-70 endpoint.

[Flint1979]

There were still US-10 signs for the Lodge Freeway in Detroit into the 2000's and US-10 has been scaled back to end at I-75 near Bay City since 1986. Even though it's still route 10 as it's M-10 the signs were still the old signs for US-10.

[sprjus4]

I haven't been down there in a while, but when I drove the connector back in September, the only access opened still was only to NIT. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp where still both closed off. The project opened in that partial form in December 2017 and was supposed to be completed by September 2018, however still doesn't appear to be complete. VDOT's project website for the connector hadn't been updated for a while, and as of now has been deactivated.

Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.

[Beltway]

[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.

The highway is showing on Google Street View as completed, at least the original project.  One lane each way is blocked with barrels, and it looks like a sound barrier installation project is underway, apparently a separate project, and that is why the lanes are closed, to give plenty of room for construction activities.

Keep in mind that while this is a vital truck route that one lane each way can easily handle the truck AADT which is probably not over 2,000, and even if it is 2 or 3 times that, still no congestion.

It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.

When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.

[sprjus4]

[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
Took a trip up there today, indeed nothing has changed. Only one lane of traffic, 35 mph speed limit, ongoing construction activity, and only access to NIT and to turn around back to I-564. Gate 6 and the VA-337 westbound exit ramp are striped and signed, as they were back in September, though are closed and the immediate approaches are blocked off. Project is currently 18 months behind schedule, and probably will be longer. It'll be a miracle when they finish it.

The highway is showing on Google Street View as completed, at least the original project.  One lane each way is blocked with barrels, and it looks like a sound barrier installation project is underway, apparently a separate project, and that is why the lanes are closed, to give plenty of room for construction activities.

Keep in mind that while this is a vital truck route that one lane each way can easily handle the truck AADT which is probably not over 2,000, and even if it is 2 or 3 times that, still no congestion.

It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.

http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/financial_plans/I-564_Financial_Plan_AU17_Signed.pdf

Following the execution of CM 010 (Global Settlement), CHC submitted and EFLHD approved a revised baseline schedule in October 2016, with a completion date for Port Access (incentivized milestone) by December 21, 2017 and full project completion by October 15, 2018. In addition to the Intermodal Connector, several projects are being completed by other partner agencies in and around the current project limits. As shown in Exhibit 2, the current project timeline forecasts I-564 construction will be simultaneously underway during the following projects:

- The Virginia Port Authority (VPA) constructed a new North Gate that will interface directly to the Southwestern terminus. The North Gate opened in July 2017.
- The Navy is constructing a new Gate 6 that will interface directly to the Northwestern terminus. Gate 6 is anticipated to be complete in Spring 2018.
- The Navy will need access within the current work zone to construct a Commercial Vehicle Inspection Building (CVIS) in winter 2017-2018.

The only piece of the project open as of today is the NIT Gate. The Naval Station Norfolk Gate 6, the CVIS Building, and the public ramp to Hampton Blvd have still not been completed, currently 14 months behind schedule (I said September 2018 above, it was actually October 2018). Presumably all 4 lanes of traffic were supposed to be open as well judging by the fact it is striped and merely one lane controlled via cones.

Not to mention, it looked like they tore half the roadway back up from what was already completed from my last trip in September.

When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.

Currently no, but in October 2018, ramps to Hampton Blvd and Gate 6 of Naval Station Norfolk were supposed to be opened to (car) traffic, and as of April 9, 2020, still are not complete or open. That would be a major draw for Base access, especially during rush hour commute, early in the morning (5-6 am) and early afternoon (2-3 pm).

I will attempt to post dashcam video soon from today.

[Beltway]

[I-564 Intermodal Connector]
It appears that all the connections in the terminal area have been built.

http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/financial_plans/I-564_Financial_Plan_AU17_Signed.pdf

Like I said, even on Google Street View and Satellite View with whatever latency they have for when it was shot, it appears that all the roadways are there.

The only piece of the project open as of today is the NIT Gate. The Naval Station Norfolk Gate 6, the CVIS Building, and the public ramp to Hampton Blvd have still not been completed, currently 14 months behind schedule (I said September 2018 above, it was actually October 2018). Presumably all 4 lanes of traffic were supposed to be open as well judging by the fact it is striped and merely one lane controlled via cones.
Not to mention, it looked like they tore half the roadway back up from what was already completed from my last trip in September.

That roadway to Hampton Blvd shows as complete on GMSV.  It is only 1 lane each way and that would limit the capacity.

One of the ramps is completed, but goes into the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility which is still under construction (or was when GMSV was shot), and the latter would be a separate Navy project.

In any event, the project website just went offline and we will have to wait for it to come back online, to see what sort of explanations might be there.  If the original project is still under construction then they should keep the website up.
i564intermodal.com
NOTICE: This domain name expired on 4/3/2020 and is pending renewal or deletion.

When I drove it in the past there was hardly any car traffic, and it really isn't configured to be a route for cars.

Currently no, but in October 2018, ramps to Hampton Blvd and Gate 6 of Naval Station Norfolk were supposed to be opened to (car) traffic, and as of April 9, 2020, still are not complete or open. That would be a major draw for Base access, especially during rush hour commute, early in the morning (5-6 am) and early afternoon (2-3 pm).

They can drive to and from the terminals now. 

The vast majority of Naval Station Norfolk is north of Taussig Blvd. and that will still be accessed by I-564 and Taussig Blvd.

[sprjus4]

Like I said, even on Google Street View and Satellite View with whatever latency they have for when it was shot, it appears that all the roadways are there.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9338837,-76.3034322,3a,47.5y,273.81h,87.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB3aUopftarHmuShg8jINOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Except for this section which is now completely torn up and under construction again. Video forthcoming. Roads are there, but the westbound lanes are still not fully striped, and both ramps are closed.

That roadway to Hampton Blvd shows as complete on GMSV.  It is only 1 lane each way and that would limit the capacity.

As far as I was aware, it was to be one-lane, one-way ramp, and as of today, it is still blocked off and closed.

One of the ramps is completed, but goes into the Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility which is still under construction (or was when GMSV was shot), and the latter would be a separate Navy project.

The Norfolk Naval Station Pass and ID facility appears completed, even as of that imagery. Looking at aerial imagery, it appears the connecting roads on the base are also completed.

In any event, the project website just went offline and we will have to wait for it to come back online, to see what sort of explanations might be there.  If the original project is still under construction then they should keep the website up.
i564intermodal.com
NOTICE: This domain name expired on 4/3/2020 and is pending renewal or deletion.

The last time I checked that site, a few months ago, it was outdated. I think it's safe to say it won't be coming back online.

The vast majority of Naval Station Norfolk is north of Taussig Blvd. and that will still be accessed by I-564 and Taussig Blvd.

Traffic. The base isn't a breeze to enter during morning commute. The lines often back well up onto I-564 near Terminal Blvd. Having an additional, high-capacity access point will relieve some of those issues. It will likely be well utilized upon completion.