Freeway signs with the names of control cities that are already within that city

Started by KCRoadFan, August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM

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KCRoadFan

Today, I drove through the Grandview Triangle (the name for the junction in south KC where I-435, I-470, and I-49/US 71 meet). At that interchange, the guide sign for US 71 north depicts a control city of Kansas City; however, the junction is already within the city limits of KC.

That got me thinking: what other interchanges are there where one of the guide signs mentions the name of a given control city, even though the junction is already inside the boundaries of the city in question? I'm sure there are at least a handful of examples throughout the country.

(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)


jp the roadgeek

CT 9 Exit 16 (future 23D):  CT 66 West Middletown.  Already well within city limits, and they're not changing it when re-signing.
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sprjus4

Several signs along I-664 list "Chesapeake" as a control city despite already being in Chesapeake. I-664 travels through the western sliver of the city, Western Branch, the control city "Chesapeake" is referring to largely the central and southern parts of the city such as Greenbrier, Great Bridge, etc. which are easily 20+ miles from Western Branch, the southern most part of the city at the NC border 30 miles away, given the large size of city. VDOT, at the request of the city, recently installed signs stating "Western Branch Next 3 Exits" which goes against the usual listing of a city as opposed to an area. Similar signage along I-464 in the city state "South Norfolk Exits 3 & 4A", referring to the South Norfolk area in the northern part of the city.

One from each interchange:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8483301,-76.4277688,3a,48.9y,276.56h,90.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0XU23AtxOQX-YQosFc0Ow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8190549,-76.4326114,3a,50.6y,269.23h,90.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgWuhZLL1w3ub7riuGDYJ0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8025434,-76.425556,3a,48.8y,316.21h,97.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLlffg5utu1sKL2bNMn9itg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7858471,-76.4048919,3a,49.7y,81.76h,92.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEIBaCbJv1x_BIAapkxNmXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

US 89

The northbound control city for I-15 at its interchange with I-80 and Utah 201 (the Spaghetti Bowl) is Salt Lake, even though much of that interchange is within Salt Lake City limits.

Same thing with I-80 eastbound at exits 111 through 115, but that's simply a result of large city limits. In the case of I-15 and the Spaghetti Bowl, you're within 20 blocks of the city center and can easily see the downtown skyline.

Occidental Tourist

So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city.  These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways

-- US 175 --

Many of the Dallas freeways use 'Dallas' as a control city.  Several of the downtown Dallas-bound exits off of I-635 have Dallas on them.  The BGS in the now-former dead-man's-curve NB transition has had Dallas on it (it may be gone now, as work has started to clear the remaining curve structure and start making that into an at-grade off-freeway intersection, as part of the S.M. Wright freeway-to-parkway conversion).

JayhawkCO

I-25 North at the southern end of I-225 is listed as Denver but you're already there.

Chris

-- US 175 --


tdindy88

Indianapolis is listed as a control city for both I-65 and I-70 at their respective interchanges with I-465 despite being well within the city limits, which is all of Marion County. I-65 interchanges at Southport Road, Keystone Avenue (3 miles from Downtown) and 71st Street all list Indianapolis as the control city. I-70 at Post Road on the east side does as well. It seems that once you're inside the pre-unification city limits of Indianapolis the use of the city as a control point is dropped. I-70 on the west side inside I-465 even starts using Dayton for eastbound I-70.


TheHighwayMan3561

I-94 at MN 15 and US 10 at MN 23 in St. Cloud.

There are at least three examples in Minneapolis that come *feet* from qualifying, but all are sadly technically in other jurisdictions.

I-94 eastbound at 49th/53rd Ave: 53rd Ave is the Minneapolis/Brooklyn Center line
I-35W southbound at MN 280: Minneapolis is just around the bend from the exit
MN 5 eastbound at MN 55: 5 crosses the river into St. Paul immediately after the interchange

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Flint1979

I dunno if this counts but I-375 has Civic Center as the control city in Detroit. Also I-96 has Downtown for a control city on EB I-96. Some even say Downtown Detroit on them.

cwf1701


Flint1979

Quote from: cwf1701 on August 30, 2020, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 30, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
I dunno if this counts but I-375 has Civic Center as the control city in Detroit. Also I-96 has Downtown for a control city on EB I-96. Some even say Downtown Detroit on them.

and at 8 Mile and I-75 this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.447089,-83.0951576,3a,75y,276.37h,76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.41716%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en and this is at the city limits.
Yeah you're at the city limits but it might be a little too early to mention Toledo on the sign. Maybe it should say Downtown instead since you're already in Detroit people would know it means Downtown Detroit. First mention of Toledo on a sign though is at McNichols only two miles south of the city limits as I don't think the one at Seven Mile has a control city mentioned just which direction it is. I'm going to have to look to see if Flint is mentioned in SW Detroit or if Detroit is since I can't remember off the top of my head.

EDIT: At Outer Drive Detroit is the control city that's the city limits on I-75's southern entrance to the city.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2650585,-83.1719282,3a,75y,156h,90.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIBav0tzO7bogKVzZpZ-AsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Next exit north still has Detroit this is the interchange with Schaefer:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2774384,-83.1568267,3a,75y,126.18h,91.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjsz7bbUFm-CQMobpwGlccg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

The rest of the exits/entrances to I-75 into downtown Detroit have no mention of a control city except for the Ambassador Bridge and I-96. Which has Downtown and Civic-TCF Center. TCF Center is the new name for Cobo Hall. First mention of Flint is the exit for I-96.

Mr. Matté

At its eastern end, NJ 133 is signed for East Windsor, even though the entire highway is in said township and at this point, about 1/3 of the population of E.W. is behind you. (to say nothing about the ugly new Clearview-like typeface on only the 133 sign)

NWI_Irish96

I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.

I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.
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GaryV

US-24 (Telegraph Rd) at I-96 has signs for Detroit.  You are on the border of Detroit there.

A little further in, M-39 (Southfield Fwy) has signs for "Downtown Detroit" (Downtown in small caps).

jaehak

At the eastern meeting of 70 and 435, West 70 is signed for KC. At the western meeting in Kansas  much further from downtown (though just within the KCK city limits), 70 East is signed for St Louis

webny99

Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)

Welp, I guess this doesn't count then. But it is within the Rochester city limits.
You also have this, which is outside the city limits by a few hundred feet, if that.

I-55

In Nashville, any interstate to interstate interchange involving I-440 used Nashville as the control city for the interstate headed into downtown. The I-65/24 north split also uses Nashville as the southbound control. Also, all interstate junctions to TN-155/Briley Pky (except for I-65 which is in Madison) use Nashville as the interior control.
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Quote from: I-55 on April 13, 2025, 09:39:41 PMThe correct question is "if ARDOT hasn't signed it, why does Google show it?" and the answer as usual is "because Google Maps signs stuff incorrectly all the time"

vdeane

Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)

Welp, I guess this doesn't count then. But it is within the Rochester city limits.
Maybe not, but this does!

Out east, there are a ton with Albany.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Jmiles32

Here's a relatively new example at the I-64/I-95 merge in Richmond, VA. I'm assuming the old sign used to say Norfolk/Petersburg like the overhead signs further back do. A good change IMO and surprised that the new sign on southbound I-95 wasn't changed as well.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867097,-77.4751038,3a,75y,90.95h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surmNKlPSQrn6lMMqPjZ8_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5909835,-77.4689771,3a,75y,201.4h,94.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-Ht0UW4aIjI9cW3xqttWMg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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sprjus4

^

What I find more surprising is that the APL sign is fairly new, and uses standard FHWA font vs. the new Clearview that is popular with VDOT.

Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 01, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Here's a relatively new example at the I-64/I-95 merge in Richmond, VA. I'm assuming the old sign used to say Norfolk/Petersburg like the overhead signs further back do.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867097,-77.4751038,3a,75y,90.95h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surmNKlPSQrn6lMMqPjZ8_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Yep.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867389,-77.4749902,3a,49.1y,97.25h,99.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTFValHp7PQKD0Im0qUP27w!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

And at some point they took the overhead down and didn't replace it for a while...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867555,-77.4750249,3a,46.3y,97.81h,88.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siUSzGYdLUcZxFlmy9E158A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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