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Cities with no "through" Interstates

Started by jander, December 21, 2013, 02:47:36 PM

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Brandon

Quote from: vdeane on December 24, 2013, 11:12:09 AM
Manhattan isn't a city unto itself, though.  Technically it, and the four surrounding counties/boroughs, is all one big city called New York.

However, that said, only one interstate actually goes through NYC - I-95, IIRC.  Everything else, I-87, I-78, all the spurs and loops, either end/begin in the city or never leave the city.  A stark contrast to Chicago where I-90, I-94, and I-294 (yes, a small sliver) go through the city while I-55, I-57, I-190, and I-290 end in the city.
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vdeane

1 is still greater than 0.  And I-278 pairs nicely with I-95, seeing as the Bruckner Expressway is shared between the two.  Had the freeways across Manhattan been built, I-78 (maybe) and I-495 (definitely) would have counted as well.
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Annapolis, Md. has exactly one Interstate that may "touch" its corporate limits - "secret" I-595 (the east end of 595 is at Md. 70 (Rowe Boulevard)).  The SHA Highway Location Reference does not show it crossing the limits of Annapolis, and the maps on the city's Web site are not clear.

Oh, and I-97 does not quite make it to Annapolis.
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silverback1065

Quote from: 1 on December 21, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
Several things:

1. There are some freeways that are not Interstates, and many people use those.

2. San Francisco has I-80 and I-280.

3. If you are wondering what the largest city (by population) with no Interstate is, it's Fresno California. It has a population of 500000, and it has CA 99, which is a freeway, but not an Interstate.


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Aren't there plans to change CA-99 to I-9? 

formulanone

I think a quick check of population sizes versus distances from any type of freeway was determined to be Cape Coral, Florida; according to NE2's post.

hotdogPi

Quote from: formulanone on December 24, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
I think a quick check of population sizes versus distances from any type of freeway was determined to be Cape Coral, Florida; according to NE2's post.

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roadman65

Vineland, NJ; Atlantic City, NJ; Salisbury, MD; up until recently Virginia Beach (as I-264 was a late bloomer); and even Suffolk, VA to this day has no interstate actually within it.

All of these, with the exception of Salisbury, have freeways, though, that eventually connect to the interstate system interestingly enough.
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Sonic99

Phoenix only has I-10 go "through" it, as I-17 ends near downtown.
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roadman65

Actually Virginia Beach does not have a through interstate.  I-264 terminates into a one way pair of streets in Downtown Virginia Beach.

Chesapeake, VA may have a through freeway (I-64 into I-664), but all the three interstates there are not through completely.  I-64, I-264, and I-664 all end at each other in Bowers Hill.
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golden eagle

I believe Huntsville, AL, would qualify. I'll need to look at a map, but I don't believe I-565 goes completely through the city.

Molandfreak

Quote from: golden eagle on December 26, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
I believe Huntsville, AL, would qualify. I'll need to look at a map, but I don't believe I-565 goes completely through the city.
I-565 doesn't completely go through Huntsville, but it does enter and leave the city limits when it travels through Madison. Technically, I-65 is also a through interstate in Huntsville. http://goo.gl/maps/HUiJR
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formulanone

In terms of serving a city's downtown core, I-65 is far closer to Athens than Huntsville. 65 only just brushes its limits, due to creative gerrymandering of it's borders.

Still, before 565 was built, it must have taken 20 minutes or more to get from the freeway into town...rather odd for a city of its size.

akotchi

Trenton, NJ, has no through Interstates.  I-95 and I-295 go around it, and I-195 ends before entering town.  There is a freeway that goes through town -- U.S. 1 -- but it is not Interstate.

Lancaster, York and Gettysburg, PA, are other cities that have freeways but no Interstates.
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mgk920

Quote from: akotchi on December 27, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Trenton, NJ, has no through Interstates.  I-95 and I-295 go around it, and I-195 ends before entering town.  There is a freeway that goes through town -- U.S. 1 -- but it is not Interstate.

Lancaster, York and Gettysburg, PA, are other cities that have freeways but no Interstates.

OTOH, if Pennsylvania had an annexation law like those of several other states, York would certainly have I-83 passing through, well within it.

Ditto Erie, now only entered by I-79, which ends in the city, but with I-90 passing through well within its urbanized area, but outside of the city.

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dgolub

Quote from: vdeane on December 24, 2013, 02:38:18 PM
1 is still greater than 0.  And I-278 pairs nicely with I-95, seeing as the Bruckner Expressway is shared between the two.  Had the freeways across Manhattan been built, I-78 (maybe) and I-495 (definitely) would have counted as well.

If you include all five boroughs, you can easily travel through the city on interstates.  For example, taking I-278 to I-495, I-87, or I-95.  If you consider only Manhattan, most of it is not really served by the interstate system.

hbelkins

I clinched all five counties that comprise the five boroughs of NYC without ever leaving the interstate system.  I did it by taking I-278 to I-87 (I-87 clips a corner of Manhattan).
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 27, 2013, 12:16:05 PM
(I-87 clips a corner of Manhattan).

I don't see where it does; it looks to me like it misses Marble Hill by a good block or two.  However, Randalls Island is part of Manhattan, therefore I-278 over the Triboro Bridge clinches Manhattan for you.

hbelkins

OK, I knew it was one of the interstates, I just got 'em mixed up.
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KEVIN_224

I-278 is the only interstate which touches all five boroughs. I-87 is only in the Bronx (as the Major Deegan Expressway) while I-95 covers the Bronx and the northern edge of Manhattan.

Heading south on Amtrak, the order is Pelham Manor (village), the Bronx, Manhattan (paralleling the RFK Bridge), Queens, Manhattan and then Weehawken, NJ.

I wonder how different Boston would be if I-95 had been the through interstate instead of I-93?

Kacie Jane

Amtrak *does* cut through Marble Hill, so technically, it's Bronx-Manhattan-Bronx-Manhattan-Queens-Manhattan.

Alps

Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 27, 2013, 02:57:30 PM
I-278 is the only road which touches all five boroughs.
FTFY, although it's really several roads with a common number. It's a tautology, because no other road leaves Staten Island without leaving NY.

ronaldlee11

Ashland Kentucky would qualify as I 64 runs several miles south of the city limits

Captain Jack

Quote from: formulanone on December 27, 2013, 09:15:12 AM
Still, before 565 was built, it must have taken 20 minutes or more to get from the freeway into town...rather odd for a city of its size.

Ditto for Evansville before I-164 was constructed.

empirestate

Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 27, 2013, 05:37:03 PM
Amtrak *does* cut through Marble Hill, so technically, it's Bronx-Manhattan-Bronx-Manhattan-Queens-Manhattan.

No, that's the Metro North Hudson line that does that; Amtrak service from the Hudson valley takes the Empire connection at Spuyten Duyvil (site of the recent Metro North derailment) straight south into Manhattan.

Amtrak service from New England does what Kevin described, via the Hell Gate Bridge and East River tubes to Penn Station, then the Hudson River tubes into NJ.

dgolub

Quote from: empirestate on December 28, 2013, 02:11:50 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on December 27, 2013, 05:37:03 PM
Amtrak *does* cut through Marble Hill, so technically, it's Bronx-Manhattan-Bronx-Manhattan-Queens-Manhattan.

No, that's the Metro North Hudson line that does that; Amtrak service from the Hudson valley takes the Empire connection at Spuyten Duyvil (site of the recent Metro North derailment) straight south into Manhattan.

The Hudson line of Metro-North merges with the Harlem and New Haven lines in the Bronx and then crosses directly into Manhattan and stays there until reaching Grand Central.  It never goes into Queens, so it's just Bronx-Manhattan-Bronx-Manhattan, not Bronx-Manhattan-Bronx-Manhattan-Queens-Manhattan.



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