Illinois Road Videos

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I still think the answer is to stop driving traffic to his sites.

It's some valid findings. Been seeing people diss Chicago and suggest Milwaukee instead because ether crime. Well, what I did was find factual information that actually shows the crime as worse in Milwaukee than Chicago and by a significant margin.

While not downplaying crime (or downplaying that both Milwaukee and Chicago have significant issues), fear of it is overblown. It rarely finds people who aren't looking for trouble and most of it happens in places visitors aren't going to go. I would no more expect to be victimized in Milwaukee than I would in Chicago.

[Max Rockatansky]

I still think the answer is to stop driving traffic to his sites.

It's some valid findings. Been seeing people diss Chicago and suggest Milwaukee instead because ether crime. Well, what I did was find factual information that actually shows the crime as worse in Milwaukee than Chicago and by a significant margin.

While not downplaying crime (or downplaying that both Milwaukee and Chicago have significant issues), fear of it is overblown. It rarely finds people who aren't looking for trouble and most of it happens in places visitors aren't going to go. I would no more expect to be victimized in Milwaukee than I would in Chicago.

Or even Detroit.  In all the years I lived in Detroit and all the times I've visited since I've never had anyone bother me for anything more than change.  No different in Chicago or Milwaukee.

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

[Flint1979]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall. Never have had a problem in any of Detroit's suburbs either and I'm trying to think of an incident but can't think of one. I've been going back and forth to Detroit for my entire life and am very familiar with the metro area. It's true that if you aren't looking for trouble you should be fine but if you are looking for trouble then you'll most likely find it.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

[Flint1979]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

I think it can be argued that Wisconsin is more appealing than Illinois is though.

[Rothman]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

They do have the museum with the wings on top.  Milwaukee's a great place to visit.

Schlemiel, schlemazel...

[Flint1979]

Even as a White Sox fan I thought tailgating at Miller Park was awesome.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall. Never have had a problem in any of Detroit's suburbs either and I'm trying to think of an incident but can't think of one. I've been going back and forth to Detroit for my entire life and am very familiar with the metro area. It's true that if you aren't looking for trouble you should be fine but if you are looking for trouble then you'll most likely find it.

I like a good ruins hunt whenever I visit family around Detroit.  Usually that means going to some of the statistically unsafe neighborhoods.  I've never been bothered by anyone during those expeditions.  But then again, if you aren't looking for trouble chances are you won't find it.

[Max Rockatansky]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

They do have the museum with the wings on top.  Milwaukee's a great place to visit.

Schlemiel, schlemazel...

Not disagreeing but Chicago certainly isn't at risk of losing many tourists to Milwaukee in the grand scheme of things.  Crash seems to think otherwise for some reason.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

I think it can be argued that Wisconsin is more appealing than Illinois is though.

I would pick Wisconsin over Illinois 10 of 10.

[Max Rockatansky]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

I think it can be argued that Wisconsin is more appealing than Illinois is though.

I would pick Wisconsin over Illinois 10 of 10.

As would I, Wisconsin generally is just the more appealing State to me.

[Rothman]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

They do have the museum with the wings on top.  Milwaukee's a great place to visit.

Schlemiel, schlemazel...

Not disagreeing but Chicago certainly isn't at risk of losing many tourists to Milwaukee in the grand scheme of things.  Crash seems to think otherwise for some reason.

Sure it is.  Milwaukee is awesome.

[Flint1979]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall. Never have had a problem in any of Detroit's suburbs either and I'm trying to think of an incident but can't think of one. I've been going back and forth to Detroit for my entire life and am very familiar with the metro area. It's true that if you aren't looking for trouble you should be fine but if you are looking for trouble then you'll most likely find it.

I like a good ruins hunt whenever I visit family around Detroit.  Usually that means going to some of the statistically unsafe neighborhoods.  I've never been bothered by anyone during those expeditions.  But then again, if you aren't looking for trouble chances are you won't find it.

Come to think of it I've never been bothered in Flint either or really even Saginaw and I'm in Saginaw every single day. I'm not the type of person that goes looking for trouble though I just like to hang out and blend in. I like driving around Flint and Detroit and looking at all the ruins too it's kind of fun and creepy at times. Like I found this old abandoned school in Flint that had caught on fire and drove within a few blocks of it on Franklin Avenue and went and checked it out, there wasn't much to see but here's the GSV of it, at this point it's in the process of being demolished. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0295226,-83.6630608,3a,48.9y,79.08h,89.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smdgp9t7HBRupXENw7ktC7g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dmdgp9t7HBRupXENw7ktC7g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D228.58975%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

[thspfc]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

[thspfc]

What I'm confused about is that Crash seems to think tourism to Chicago is at risk of being taken by Milwaukee?  In what reality has that ever been a thing? 

He seems pretty terrified of losing anything to Wisconsin, even if his fears are unfounded that Milwaukee will ever be a more appealing destination.

They do have the museum with the wings on top.  Milwaukee's a great place to visit.

Schlemiel, schlemazel...

Not disagreeing but Chicago certainly isn't at risk of losing many tourists to Milwaukee in the grand scheme of things.  Crash seems to think otherwise for some reason.

Sure it is.  Milwaukee is awesome.

It's mini-Chicago. But the real Chicago is more appealing to the majority of tourists.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either. 

[Flint1979]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

7 Mile crosses the entire city it's a pretty long street. I certainly wouldn't feel unsafe around Palmer Park or Palmer Woods.

[thspfc]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

7 Mile crosses the entire city it's a pretty long street. I certainly wouldn't feel unsafe around Palmer Park or Palmer Woods.

Ah, the old "pick at a technicality so as to avoid the point" maneuver.

How about I fix it for you:

Crime around 7 Mile between Kelly and I-75 in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area between Kelly and I-75 being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

[thspfc]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either.

I don't care.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either.

I don't care.

Then why voice your opinion or respond to me if you are so resolute in it?  Have you even been to some of these places we are discussing in Detroit?  Do you thinking roving gangs are just sitting on standby waiting to strike?  Detroit is the leader in a lot of bad categories domestically for crime, but it definitely is not stepping into a Robocop movie either.

[jeffandnicole]

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

No matter if it's an overall safe city or a dangerous city, there are going to be places that are safe, and that are dangerous.  No matter what the crime rate is, most of that crime is targeted, and they're not seeking out the common person or tourist in downtown.

[thspfc]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either.

I don't care.

Then why voice your opinion or respond to me if you are so resolute in it?  Have you even been to some of these places we are discussing in Detroit?  Do you thinking roving gangs are just sitting on standby waiting to strike?  Detroit is the leader in a lot of bad categories domestically for crime, but it definitely is not stepping into a Robocop movie either.

Ha, I knew you were going to ask me if I've been there. That question completely misses the conversation.

Personal anecdotes don't override decades' worth of closely tracked statistics. Full stop. It doesn't matter if I've been there or not (I haven't, and trying to use that against me would once again miss the point).

Do I think I'd be walking into a firing squad or anything? No. Chances are, nothing bad would happen if I were to go there. But bad things would be more likely to happen there than damn near anywhere else in the country.

[thspfc]

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

No matter if it's an overall safe city or a dangerous city, there are going to be places that are safe, and that are dangerous.  No matter what the crime rate is, most of that crime is targeted, and they're not seeking out the common person or tourist in downtown.

You can't just equalize crime in places that straight up have different amounts of crime. Detroit is more dangerous than almost any other city. Is it the only dangerous city? No. Is it the most dangerous city? Maybe not. Does it have nice neighborhoods? Absolutely.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either.

I don't care.

Then why voice your opinion or respond to me if you are so resolute in it?  Have you even been to some of these places we are discussing in Detroit?  Do you thinking roving gangs are just sitting on standby waiting to strike?  Detroit is the leader in a lot of bad categories domestically for crime, but it definitely is not stepping into a Robocop movie either.

Ha, I knew you were going to ask me if I've been there. That question completely misses the conversation.

Personal anecdotes don't override decades' worth of closely tracked statistics. Full stop. It doesn't matter if I've been there or not (I haven't, and trying to use that against me would once again miss the point).

Do I think I'd be walking into a firing squad or anything? No. Chances are, nothing bad would happen if I were to go there. But bad things would be more likely to happen there than damn near anywhere else in the country.

So basically you have zero experience with the topic at hand (Detroit and the Uniform Crime Report) and you have a set perception in your mind based of UCR violent crime statistics.  How does that sway the argument in your favor exactly?  You seem to have the same problem Crash does, the UCR doesn't actually provide context for the crime statistics it cites.  But if you want to live a sheltered existence based on what you read in UCR statistics that's cool, you do you.

Now you have me curious what your thoughts are on traveling to crime prone cities in places like Central America. 

[Rothman]

I've never had much of a problem in Detroit. Downtown is the safest part of the city and other than like Max said being asked for spare change is about the most you'll get bothered in downtown Detroit. Even in the most crime ridden parts of Detroit I've never really had much of a problem, places like 7 Mile and Gratiot which is just about the worst part of Detroit I've gone into stores in that area and never had a problem. Even going to Eastland Mall (which is now permanently closed) I never had a problem, likewise at the also now closed Northland Mall.

Frankly, this kind of comment annoys me.

Crime around 7 Mile in Detroit is really, really bad. You've never had a problem there? Good for you. But that doesn't override, or even make a scratch on, the statistics that show that Detroit is no doubt one of the 5 most dangerous cities in the country, with the 7 Mile area being one of the worst neighborhoods in it.

Never had a problem around 7 Mile myself either.

I don't care.

Then why voice your opinion or respond to me if you are so resolute in it?  Have you even been to some of these places we are discussing in Detroit?  Do you thinking roving gangs are just sitting on standby waiting to strike?  Detroit is the leader in a lot of bad categories domestically for crime, but it definitely is not stepping into a Robocop movie either.

Ha, I knew you were going to ask me if I've been there. That question completely misses the conversation.

Personal anecdotes don't override decades' worth of closely tracked statistics. Full stop. It doesn't matter if I've been there or not (I haven't, and trying to use that against me would once again miss the point).

Do I think I'd be walking into a firing squad or anything? No. Chances are, nothing bad would happen if I were to go there. But bad things would be more likely to happen there than damn near anywhere else in the country.

So, no, you haven't been there.