Looks Like REO Speedwagon Won't Be Touring

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgEZa7lDHw
For those who think Clapton is a racist.

Personal life/actions > for profit performance

Whatever.

I'm not going to stop listening to him because of politics.  I'm not like my cousin who refuses to listen to Linda Ronstadt because she is a liberal and he is not.

Actions speak louder than words. I look at what people do rather than say.  Words mean nothing. Actions say what words can't.

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

But yeah, if you didn't listen to music because of one's views, you would be limiting your enjoyment to a large extent. For instance, Jimmy Page is by all accounts a pretty terrible person (like Clapton), but I am going to keep listening to Led Zeppelin just like I will Clapton.

[roadman65]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgEZa7lDHw
For those who think Clapton is a racist.

Personal life/actions > for profit performance

Whatever.

I'm not going to stop listening to him because of politics.  I'm not like my cousin who refuses to listen to Linda Ronstadt because she is a liberal and he is not.

Actions speak louder than words. I look at what people do rather than say.  Words mean nothing. Actions say what words can't.

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

But yeah, if you didn't listen to music because of one's views, you would be limiting your enjoyment to a large extent. For instance, Jimmy Page is by all accounts a pretty terrible person (like Clapton), but I am going to keep listening to Led Zeppelin just like I will Clapton.

It's also possible he is unsure of his relationship with blacks although in reality he has friendships with many in the music industry that are not Caucasian which shows unknowingly or not, he really likes blacks.

Remember in  politics you say with what your party does even when it isn't what you practice . Perfect example is Pelosi who says she is Catholic but does not believe in pro life. She holds on to both pro choice and Catholicism equally despite both cancel each other out. So what does it make her?   Well for one may argue that's she is still both, as one can disagree with a pastor and embrace a congregation or she could be ignorant.

Point is if the m/o that Rothman holds is applied to the Former Speaker, then he would be calling Nancy a pro life embracer and her pro choice beliefs are not there.

[hbelkins]

There are only a beyond very select few artists who I won't listen to out of principal (very, VERY few), otherwise their off-stage personas just come with the territory.

 

Mike

Good point.  I'm not going to not listen to Clapton.  I just know he's a jerk...and that there are a lot of terrible people that are good performers (Jerry Garcia also comes to mind).

That said, I can't watch anything with Bill Cosby in it anymore.  The disgust is too great.

I'm sure I'm contradictory somewhere along the line in terms of who I choose to listen to or watch and who I don't.

This is reminiscent of the sad saga of Ray Gillen.

Who, you may ask?

He was briefly with Black Sabbath but is best known for his late-80s/early-90s albums with Badlands (featuring Jake E. Lee on guitar and Eric Singer of Black Sabbath and Kiss on drums).

He died of AIDS in 1993. Curiously absent from his Wikipedia entry is the fact that he knowingly infected women with the virus, to the point where Atlantic Records will no longer release the Badlands and Voodoo Highway albums. They will also not make the album available for download or streaming.

I had both CDs but they were stolen. At least I ripped them beforehand, so I have the music. And you can hear the Badlands album on YouTube.

That debut album is one of the most underrated releases of the 1980s.

[Bobby5280]

With Kris Kristofferson's passing on Saturday I remembered him standing with Sinéad O'Connor at a Bob Dylan tribute concert when the audience booed her off the stage. Very few people in the entertainment industry would stand up for her after she tore up a photo of the Pope on Saturday Night Live days earlier. But Kristofferson had the balls to do so.

Years later one child sex abuse scandal after another plagued the church, with institutional cover-ups going to the top, making it pretty clear O'Connor was right to do what she did.

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgEZa7lDHw
For those who think Clapton is a racist.

Personal life/actions > for profit performance

Whatever.

I'm not going to stop listening to him because of politics.  I'm not like my cousin who refuses to listen to Linda Ronstadt because she is a liberal and he is not.

Actions speak louder than words. I look at what people do rather than say.  Words mean nothing. Actions say what words can't.

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

But yeah, if you didn't listen to music because of one's views, you would be limiting your enjoyment to a large extent. For instance, Jimmy Page is by all accounts a pretty terrible person (like Clapton), but I am going to keep listening to Led Zeppelin just like I will Clapton.

It's also possible he is unsure of his relationship with blacks although in reality he has friendships with many in the music industry that are not Caucasian which shows unknowingly or not, he really likes blacks.

Remember in  politics you say with what your party does even when it isn't what you practice . Perfect example is Pelosi who says she is Catholic but does not believe in pro life. She holds on to both pro choice and Catholicism equally despite both cancel each other out. So what does it make her?   Well for one may argue that's she is still both, as one can disagree with a pastor and embrace a congregation or she could be ignorant.

Point is if the m/o that Rothman holds is applied to the Former Speaker, then he would be calling Nancy a pro life embracer and her pro choice beliefs are not there.

This is pretty convoluted. "Unsure of his relationship with blacks?" I don't even know what that means.

He said some vile things about foreigners coming to England in the 1970s including using the phrase "keep England white." I have no idea if he still believes those things. I don't think he has ever denied, or apologized, or even addressed saying these things since that time. Being friends with some black people doesn't absolve him of his words.

But we are talking about a guy who also in the 1970s, dedicated one of his most famous albums to one of his best friend's wife, who he then married, abused and cheated on. We aren't exactly talking about a stellar human being here.

[bugo]

The younger crowd then asks "What is 'REO Speedwagon'?".

Meanwhile, the Greatest Generation was probably wondering if the body was by Fisher.

I wonder if anybody got the reference.

[roadman65]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgEZa7lDHw
For those who think Clapton is a racist.

Personal life/actions > for profit performance

Whatever.

I'm not going to stop listening to him because of politics.  I'm not like my cousin who refuses to listen to Linda Ronstadt because she is a liberal and he is not.

Actions speak louder than words. I look at what people do rather than say.  Words mean nothing. Actions say what words can't.

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

But yeah, if you didn't listen to music because of one's views, you would be limiting your enjoyment to a large extent. For instance, Jimmy Page is by all accounts a pretty terrible person (like Clapton), but I am going to keep listening to Led Zeppelin just like I will Clapton.

It's also possible he is unsure of his relationship with blacks although in reality he has friendships with many in the music industry that are not Caucasian which shows unknowingly or not, he really likes blacks.

Remember in  politics you say with what your party does even when it isn't what you practice . Perfect example is Pelosi who says she is Catholic but does not believe in pro life. She holds on to both pro choice and Catholicism equally despite both cancel each other out. So what does it make her?   Well for one may argue that's she is still both, as one can disagree with a pastor and embrace a congregation or she could be ignorant.

Point is if the m/o that Rothman holds is applied to the Former Speaker, then he would be calling Nancy a pro life embracer and her pro choice beliefs are not there.

This is pretty convoluted. "Unsure of his relationship with blacks?" I don't even know what that means.

He said some vile things about foreigners coming to England in the 1970s including using the phrase "keep England white." I have no idea if he still believes those things. I don't think he has ever denied, or apologized, or even addressed saying these things since that time. Being friends with some black people doesn't absolve him of his words.

But we are talking about a guy who also in the 1970s, dedicated one of his most famous albums to one of his best friend's wife, who he then married, abused and cheated on. We aren't exactly talking about a stellar human being here.

I'm not here to define his character. I have been a fan of his for ages. I know all his sins especially his drugs and philandering. I'm not saying he is racist or not, but I find it odd that someone would be friends with many musicians of all creeds would be pegged as racist.

I'm not saying that's impossible to be friends with blacks and hate their existence at the same time. Plus the person on here saying that is an unhappy individual who has to pick on others to make himself feel superior and is been starting arguments with people especially when one person considers I-78 to end in Jersey City and not New York.

I like Clapton's music and that's it. Don't know him personally and don't care to and most likely never will

[LilianaUwU]

Eric Clapton is also a rapist.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

It does take some gall to bite the blues musicians he built his career on.

[SEWIGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgEZa7lDHw
For those who think Clapton is a racist.

Personal life/actions > for profit performance

Whatever.

I'm not going to stop listening to him because of politics.  I'm not like my cousin who refuses to listen to Linda Ronstadt because she is a liberal and he is not.

Actions speak louder than words. I look at what people do rather than say.  Words mean nothing. Actions say what words can't.

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

But yeah, if you didn't listen to music because of one's views, you would be limiting your enjoyment to a large extent. For instance, Jimmy Page is by all accounts a pretty terrible person (like Clapton), but I am going to keep listening to Led Zeppelin just like I will Clapton.

It's also possible he is unsure of his relationship with blacks although in reality he has friendships with many in the music industry that are not Caucasian which shows unknowingly or not, he really likes blacks.

Remember in  politics you say with what your party does even when it isn't what you practice . Perfect example is Pelosi who says she is Catholic but does not believe in pro life. She holds on to both pro choice and Catholicism equally despite both cancel each other out. So what does it make her?   Well for one may argue that's she is still both, as one can disagree with a pastor and embrace a congregation or she could be ignorant.

Point is if the m/o that Rothman holds is applied to the Former Speaker, then he would be calling Nancy a pro life embracer and her pro choice beliefs are not there.

This is pretty convoluted. "Unsure of his relationship with blacks?" I don't even know what that means.

He said some vile things about foreigners coming to England in the 1970s including using the phrase "keep England white." I have no idea if he still believes those things. I don't think he has ever denied, or apologized, or even addressed saying these things since that time. Being friends with some black people doesn't absolve him of his words.

But we are talking about a guy who also in the 1970s, dedicated one of his most famous albums to one of his best friend's wife, who he then married, abused and cheated on. We aren't exactly talking about a stellar human being here.

I'm not here to define his character. I have been a fan of his for ages. I know all his sins especially his drugs and philandering. I'm not saying he is racist or not, but I find it odd that someone would be friends with many musicians of all creeds would be pegged as racist.

I'm not saying that's impossible to be friends with blacks and hate their existence at the same time. Plus the person on here saying that is an unhappy individual who has to pick on others to make himself feel superior and is been starting arguments with people especially when one person considers I-78 to end in Jersey City and not New York.

I like Clapton's music and that's it. Don't know him personally and don't care to and most likely never will

My father in law didn't want black people living in his neighborhood. At his funeral, a black woman came up to the family saying how much she appreciated him because he would go out of his way to teach her what she needed to know to be a sheet-metal worker.

Human being are complex creatures with discriminations and prejudices that fall well short of "hating their existence."

[roadman65]

People are human and we all make mistakes. We all demonstrate hypocrisy and we all demonstrate prejudice.

Racism and prejudice are not the same although the former starts with the latter.  Prejudice is our own way of protecting ourselves against people with the same m/o of people we know that are just bad.   It all depends on how we handle our prejudices is what matters. 

It's a shame we become part of cliques or larger organizations including religion or political parties which demonstrate more prejudices than any one person can.

However, life isn't fair and we all need to just do our best and quit annalizing  ourselves to find the cure for common human behavior as we will never find that answer.

[vdeane]

I think its very possible that Clapton has had some problematic views on race, but also has personal friends who are black, etc. I actually don't think that's as uncommon as people think.

People think that's uncommon?  "But I have friends who are Black" is practically a cliche at this point!

[roadman65]

I think this thread outlived itself.  It's no longer about about the fact REO Speedwagon called it quits. It's turning into whether Eric Clapton is a racist or not.

I think it maybe time to padlock this.

[Scott5114]

First I want to know how I can outlive myself, because it sounds like it would rule.

[LilianaUwU]

First I want to know how I can outlive myself, because it sounds like it would rule.

I know someone who could help with that.

[hobsini2]

We could spin off a thread about celebrities who are suspected to be asswipes. Just a thought.

[1995hoo]

We could spin off a thread about celebrities who are suspected to be asswipes. Just a thought.

Maybe that thread could include the political and religious discussion certain users felt the need to include.

[formulanone]

The younger crowd then asks "What is 'REO Speedwagon'?".

Meanwhile, the Greatest Generation was probably wondering if the body was by Fisher.

I wonder if anybody got the reference.

I aim to please, if not confuse.

[roadman65]

Alec Baldwin can lead that series. 😂

[hbelkins]

The younger crowd then asks "What is 'REO Speedwagon'?".

Meanwhile, the Greatest Generation was probably wondering if the body was by Fisher.

I wonder if anybody got the reference.

Absolutely I did.