Wisconsin notes

[hobsini2]

The eastbound sign on Interstate 94 east of the Badger Interchange still lists Milwaukee as being 72 miles away, just like it always has: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1031698,-89.2592304,3a,75y,104.01h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1syk7JAWJsXpZvypO7kx1ipQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0%26panoid%3Dyk7JAWJsXpZvypO7kx1ipQ%26yaw%3D104.00574316403225!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu. This guide sign on Interstate 94 west of the CTH N interchange has always given the distance to Madison as 9 miles away: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.108609,-89.2228353,3a,75y,272.2h,94.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNlqXeFHx39ReXyspWSyKgw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-4.240339292831123%26panoid%3DNlqXeFHx39ReXyspWSyKgw%26yaw%3D272.2011656006654!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu. Maybe in the future, those signs will change, although I doubt it.

Here in Mukwonago, they still show the mileage to Mukwonago as 1 mile when you turn north on 83 from the 43 exit ramp. The village limits are actually 1/2 mile south of the exit. In fact you can see the (also wrongly placed) green city sign a block down from the "1 mile" sign. In fact, 1 mile would put you almost out of town on the north side!

I'm pretty sure the distance is to Downtown Milwaukee and Downtown Madison. Some states do that instead of when you hit the city limits since city limits change frequently.

[Molandfreak]

It's supposed to be the distance to the CBD, not the corporate limits. A sign indicating the distance to the corporate limits of Kronenwetter wouldn't be very helpful, for instance.

[Big John]

I see WISDOT has concepts for the Mason St Bridge posted that will be the framework for alternatives. One is "as is" being elevated from Ashland to Monroe, another is just a bridge over the Fox River, and the 3rd with a bridge over Ashland, the railroad and at grade on the east side of the river..

https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/ne/masonbrstudy/concept.pdf

I sure hope the new bridge stays the same length. Just improve the interchanges and add bike/ped access. Why create new at grade intersections that will cause more traffic delays and accidents? It's the only bridge downtown over the rail line and that can avoid most boat openings because of the higher clearance. Don't mess up what's already working well and make it worse.

another public meeting is being held on Wednesday September 25 from 5-7 pm at the Neville Public Museum.

I went to that meeting, synopsis of what was presented, there are still 4 alternative plans, which I can separate into 2 near plans. Also any plans for at-grade intersections call for traffic signals instead of roundabouts. All plans retain a grade separation over the CN railroad.

part 1:
E2 - Near replication of what there now except for 3 notable changes: First is for a wider, barrier separated sidewalk where the current sidewalk is. Second is the 3rd-lane add-on for westbound traffis would be ay the Quincy St on-ramp and the Jefferson St. on-ramp ewould havs a standard. Third and most important is the eastbound Ashland on-ramp would have the 3rd-lane addon and the Broadway on-ramp would have a standard taper.

H3 - Replication of E2 just west of Broadway to the current east end. Would put cul-de-sacs at Chestnut Ave, Ashland Ave ramps would be removed and an at-grade signalized intersection would be built at Ashland Ave.

The other 2 are similar to each but significantly different from the first 2.

H1 - Removal of all ramps and the bridge would start east of Ashland of an overpass over Broadway then continue until an overpass over Adams St., then touchdown near Jefferson St. Would include signalized intersections at Ashland and Monroe, cul-de-sacs at Chestnut, retaining the cul-de-sac on Jefferson south of Mason, but adding a RIRO on the north side of Jefferson causing a 2-way conversion on Jefferson; than a pair of RIROs at Madison St, also calling fot a 2-way conversion on Madison. The other major aspect is that the whole bridge would be narrowed to 2 lanes each way for the whole length, then wide pedestrian/bicycle facilities would be added to both sides for the whole length.

H2, similar to H1 except it would touchdown just before Adams St, then add a signalized intersection at Adams. I had a concern that it would cause too high of a vertical grade, but the other part would lower the bridge over the river by 10-15 feet to maintain an acceptable grade.

The final accepted alternative would be decided in 2028 and construction would start in 2032.

There is a separate rehabilitation project for the bascule section set for 2026/2027, but some of the alternatives are incompatible with it.

[mgk920]

I'd love to see the WisDOT drawings are writeups of these options.  I do remember a local TV news item from its opening back in the mid 1970s being the bridge's lack of pedestrian and bicycle facilities, only that 'afterthought' sidewalk on its north edge between Broadway and Jefferson St.

Mike

[US 12 fan]

The resurfacing project on Highway 100 in Oak Creek is done. It's not mentioned yet on the 511 construction website but I drove on it yesterday.

[The Ghostbuster]

There are still two segments of STH 100 that are still two lanes wide (just west of S. 60th St. to W. Puetz Rd., and north of W. St. Martins Rd. to south of W. Church St./W. Drexel Ave.). I would love for those two segments to also be expanded to four lanes, although there are no plans to do so.

[dvferyance]

There are still two segments of STH 100 that are still two lanes wide (just west of S. 60th St. to W. Puetz Rd., and north of W. St. Martins Rd. to south of W. Church St./W. Drexel Ave.). I would love for those two segments to also be expanded to four lanes, although there are no plans to do so.

I thought the section between St Martins and Drexel was planned to be 4 lanes in the near future but maybe I am wrong.

[peterj920]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

[SEWIGuy]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

What is the designation "X41" on the Brown County map mean? I am assuming that is going to eventually be the number for the at least a portion of the South Bridge Connector project.

https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/highway/general-information/south-bridge-connector/

[peterj920]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

What is the designation "X41" on the Brown County map mean? I am assuming that is going to eventually be the number for the at least a portion of the South Bridge Connector project.

https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/highway/general-information/south-bridge-connector/

No the X41 is a spur that connects I-41 with Ashland Ave. Here's a link to a project to reconstruct the spur:

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/xo41ash/default.aspx

[SEWIGuy]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

What is the designation "X41" on the Brown County map mean? I am assuming that is going to eventually be the number for the at least a portion of the South Bridge Connector project.

https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/highway/general-information/south-bridge-connector/

No the X41 is a spur that connects I-41 with Ashland Ave. Here's a link to a project to reconstruct the spur:

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/xo41ash/default.aspx

Ah, thank you. I didn't realize that had a unique designation like that.

[Big John]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

What is the designation "X41" on the Brown County map mean? I am assuming that is going to eventually be the number for the at least a portion of the South Bridge Connector project.

https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/highway/general-information/south-bridge-connector/

No the X41 is a spur that connects I-41 with Ashland Ave. Here's a link to a project to reconstruct the spur:

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/xo41ash/default.aspx

That roundabout is not that old. Why is it included in the project?

[The Ghostbuster]

The X-41 is Business 41: https://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwysBusiness.html#US-41BUS-D. There, of course, used to be a number of Business Routes designated along old alignments of State and US Highways that received bypasses. Some still exist, but others have been decommissioned. Although Business 41 was decommissioned through De Pere and Green Bay, the spur to STH 32 for some reason wasn't.

[peterj920]

The X-41 is Business 41: https://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwysBusiness.html#US-41BUS-D. There, of course, used to be a number of Business Routes designated along old alignments of State and US Highways that received bypasses. Some still exist, but others have been decommissioned. Although Business 41 was decommissioned through De Pere and Green Bay, the spur to STH 32 for some reason wasn't.

The only WISDOT signed business routes that exists now is Bus 51 in Wausau. Bus 51 was recently removed in the Stevens Point Area after reconstruction and confirmed in the state trunkline map.

All other business routes are locally designated and WISDOT can refuse to sign if local signage is bad. This happened in Green Lake when Bus 23 only had one sign remaining in town. WISDOT removed the bus 23 signs from Wis 23. Green Lake posted new signs and WISDOT put the Bus 23 signs back up on Wis 23.

[SEWIGuy]

I noticed WISDOT finally updated their state trunkline maps. Past proposals such as US 8 in Marinette County, the "gap closure" between Wis 175 and Wis 145, and US 14 new alignment in Dane County are no longer shown. In Kenosha, Wis 50 now officially ends at Wis 31. Wis 311 is also added.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/travel/road/hwy-maps/sth-map.aspx

What is the designation "X41" on the Brown County map mean? I am assuming that is going to eventually be the number for the at least a portion of the South Bridge Connector project.

https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/highway/general-information/south-bridge-connector/

No the X41 is a spur that connects I-41 with Ashland Ave. Here's a link to a project to reconstruct the spur:

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/ne/xo41ash/default.aspx

That roundabout is not that old. Why is it included in the project?

It looks like it will only be resurfaced as part of this project.

[hobsini2]

The X-41 is Business 41: https://www.wisconsinhighways.org/listings/WiscHwysBusiness.html#US-41BUS-D. There, of course, used to be a number of Business Routes designated along old alignments of State and US Highways that received bypasses. Some still exist, but others have been decommissioned. Although Business 41 was decommissioned through De Pere and Green Bay, the spur to STH 32 for some reason wasn't.

The only WISDOT signed business routes that exists now is Bus 51 in Wausau. Bus 51 was recently removed in the Stevens Point Area after reconstruction and confirmed in the state trunkline map.

All other business routes are locally designated and WISDOT can refuse to sign if local signage is bad. This happened in Green Lake when Bus 23 only had one sign remaining in town. WISDOT removed the bus 23 signs from Wis 23. Green Lake posted new signs and WISDOT put the Bus 23 signs back up on Wis 23.

There's still Bus 29 in Shawano and Wittenburg signed. I saw that last weekend.

[Molandfreak]

What was WisDOT smoking when they posted the Hortonville bypass at 55?

[TheHighwayMan3561]

What was WisDOT smoking when they posted the Hortonville bypass at 55?

Crack...ers, with cheese of course.

[The Ghostbuster]

Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show a completed STH 15 Hortonville Bypass, and no Google Car has driven along the bypass yet (the Google Car last went through the area in August 2018).

[bschultzy]

Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show a completed STH 15 Hortonville Bypass, and no Google Car has driven along the bypass yet (the Google Car last went through the area in August 2018).

If signed in with a Google account, one can suggest updates to the map to reflect newly-built roads or make corrections to wrong street names, etc.

[Molandfreak]

Google Maps hasn't been fully updated to show a completed STH 15 Hortonville Bypass, and no Google Car has driven along the bypass yet (the Google Car last went through the area in August 2018).

If signed in with a Google account, one can suggest updates to the map to reflect newly-built roads or make corrections to wrong street names, etc.

That doesn't summon a GSV car to drive through the area and gather that imagery. We just have to wait for it to happen in due time.

[SSOWorld]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PtHXivY2BvVGpEE6A

I beg to differ on the updating.

The street view isn't taken yet though

[SSOWorld]

Observe the typos and mistakes in the PDF linked at https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/travel/road/hwy-maps/freewaydesignations.pdf.

[WIroadfan]

What was WisDOT smoking when they posted the Hortonville bypass at 55?

It ought to be 65 in my opinion.

Also, why is WI 138 (Stoughton to Oregon) signed as north-south when the entire route is virtually due east-west?  Bigger question is, why isn't it a county highway in the first place with how short and rather lightly traveled it is?

[Molandfreak]

What was WisDOT smoking when they posted the Hortonville bypass at 55?

It ought to be 65 in my opinion.

Also, why is WI 138 (Stoughton to Oregon) signed as north-south when the entire route is virtually due east-west?  Bigger question is, why isn't it a county highway in the first place with how short and rather lightly traveled it is?

Maybe the idea is to encourage thru traffic to use US 14 between Stoughton and Madison.