The Attempt to Fix Virginia Signage Featuring WillWeaverRVA

[WillWeaverRVA]

Well, I submitted a bunch of 311 requests to have primary routes signed in Alexandria and was basically told "people know routes by their names and not their numbers so we're not signing them". Ah well.

...and now I got notified that signs will indeed go up in the next 30 days. I'm gonna have to compile a list of locations I submitted requests for...

[Mapmikey]

Well, I submitted a bunch of 311 requests to have primary routes signed in Alexandria and was basically told "people know routes by their names and not their numbers so we're not signing them". Ah well.

...and now I got notified that signs will indeed go up in the next 30 days. I'm gonna have to compile a list of locations I submitted requests for...

2 questions...

How many cities did you do this with?

Where would you like your statue placed?

[WillWeaverRVA]

Well, I submitted a bunch of 311 requests to have primary routes signed in Alexandria and was basically told "people know routes by their names and not their numbers so we're not signing them". Ah well.

...and now I got notified that signs will indeed go up in the next 30 days. I'm gonna have to compile a list of locations I submitted requests for...

2 questions...

How many cities did you do this with?

Where would you like your statue placed?

 

Just Richmond, Virginia Beach, and Alexandria for now.

Hey, I figured if it worked (to an extent) in Richmond, maybe it'd work elsewhere.

[WillWeaverRVA]

So here are all the 311 requests I put in for signage in Alexandria:

- VA 401 and VA 420 signage at Seminary Rd and Kenmore Ave: Alexandria said no, people use names and not numbers

- VA 402 signage at I-395 and Shirlington Circle: "we will investigate if this is where a route ends or begins, if so we'll put up signage in the next 30 days" (well, I attached the VDOT arcGIS map...)

- VA 236 and VA 400 at Duke St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 400 signage at King St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 420 signage (plus I-395 and I-495 trailblazers) at King St & Janney's Ln

- VA 402 and VA 420 signage at Quaker Ln, Janney's Ln, & Seminary Rd

- VA 7 and VA 402 signage at King St and Quaker Ln: "The City's Transportation Engineering Division has reviewed your request Route sign designated at various locations. We will work with our Traffic Management team to install such signs at appropriate locations. These signs should be placed in the next 30 business days. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.", i.e. "stop bugging us, we'll put up signs in the next 30 days"

I may need to see what other cities have 311 pages that I can put in requests for.

[dfnva]

Well, I submitted a bunch of 311 requests to have primary routes signed in Alexandria and was basically told "people know routes by their names and not their numbers so we're not signing them". Ah well.

Funny enough, I had a conversation with a member of the Manassas Park City Council about the lack of posting for VA-213 and this was the answer I received.

[dfnva]

So here are all the 311 requests I put in for signage in Alexandria:

- VA 401 and VA 420 signage at Seminary Rd and Kenmore Ave: Alexandria said no, people use names and not numbers

- VA 402 signage at I-395 and Shirlington Circle: "we will investigate if this is where a route ends or begins, if so we'll put up signage in the next 30 days" (well, I attached the VDOT arcGIS map...)

- VA 236 and VA 400 at Duke St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 400 signage at King St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 420 signage (plus I-395 and I-495 trailblazers) at King St & Janney's Ln

- VA 402 and VA 420 signage at Quaker Ln, Janney's Ln, & Seminary Rd

- VA 7 and VA 402 signage at King St and Quaker Ln: "The City's Transportation Engineering Division has reviewed your request Route sign designated at various locations. We will work with our Traffic Management team to install such signs at appropriate locations. These signs should be placed in the next 30 business days. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.", i.e. "stop bugging us, we'll put up signs in the next 30 days"

I may need to see what other cities have 311 pages that I can put in requests for.

It would be amazing to see VA-420 posted after all these years! 

I've been tempted to do this with VDOT to install secondary route shields at intersections with significant secondary routes around Northern VA. These are some that come to mind:

- Route 620 shields on VA-123 for its intersection with Braddock Rd (as well as VA-123 shields approaching Ox Rd heading east on Braddock Rd).
- Route 644 shields on VA-286 for its intersection with Old Keene Mill Road.
- Route 650 shields on VA-236 for its intersection with Annandale Rd.
- Route 659 shields on VA-234 for its intersection with Gum Spring Road.

I'm sure there are many others that would make sense. But maybe these are not necessary due to how drivers refer to these mostly by their street names, anyhow.

[vdeane]

It would be amazing to see VA-420 posted after all these years! 

Something tells me that those signs are going to get stolen.

[1995hoo]

My reading of his summary of their reply is that VA-420 is not one of the ones they're considering posting, though I guess we'll see. I note VDOT itself has never posted that route number on the LGSs on I-395, either.

[FLAVORTOWN]

I'd like to see the VDOT portion of VA-237 signed, considering that there are signs all over for it on I-66 yet nothing on the actual road itself. Anyone interested in filing a request for it 

Barely any signs on VA-120 and VA-124 as well 

[Takumi]

So here are all the 311 requests I put in for signage in Alexandria:

- VA 401 and VA 420 signage at Seminary Rd and Kenmore Ave: Alexandria said no, people use names and not numbers

- VA 402 signage at I-395 and Shirlington Circle: "we will investigate if this is where a route ends or begins, if so we'll put up signage in the next 30 days" (well, I attached the VDOT arcGIS map...)

- VA 236 and VA 400 at Duke St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 400 signage at King St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 420 signage (plus I-395 and I-495 trailblazers) at King St & Janney's Ln

- VA 402 and VA 420 signage at Quaker Ln, Janney's Ln, & Seminary Rd

- VA 7 and VA 402 signage at King St and Quaker Ln: "The City's Transportation Engineering Division has reviewed your request Route sign designated at various locations. We will work with our Traffic Management team to install such signs at appropriate locations. These signs should be placed in the next 30 business days. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.", i.e. "stop bugging us, we'll put up signs in the next 30 days"

I may need to see what other cities have 311 pages that I can put in requests for.

Maybe Norfolk for VA 404 and 405. Also, do counties have 311 pages, or just cities? I wouldn't mind seeing VA 366, 410, or 327 get signed.

Unrelated, do we think there could be a new VA 408 out there somewhere since 409 and 410 have come back into use in the past 15 years?

[74/171FAN]

VA 327 is signed the way Chesterfield County likes to sign routes.

VA 327 AT SR 1111 by Mark Moore, on Flickr

[Mapmikey]

Unrelated, do we think there could be a new VA 408 out there somewhere since 409 and 410 have come back into use in the past 15 years?

After VA 410 was discovered I went through the dataset behind the online VDOT map and there were not any other new state routes in there.

[WillWeaverRVA]

So here are all the 311 requests I put in for signage in Alexandria:

- VA 401 and VA 420 signage at Seminary Rd and Kenmore Ave: Alexandria said no, people use names and not numbers

- VA 402 signage at I-395 and Shirlington Circle: "we will investigate if this is where a route ends or begins, if so we'll put up signage in the next 30 days" (well, I attached the VDOT arcGIS map...)

- VA 236 and VA 400 at Duke St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 400 signage at King St & Washington St: same as VA 402 and I-395

- VA 7 and VA 420 signage (plus I-395 and I-495 trailblazers) at King St & Janney's Ln

- VA 402 and VA 420 signage at Quaker Ln, Janney's Ln, & Seminary Rd

- VA 7 and VA 402 signage at King St and Quaker Ln: "The City's Transportation Engineering Division has reviewed your request Route sign designated at various locations. We will work with our Traffic Management team to install such signs at appropriate locations. These signs should be placed in the next 30 business days. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.", i.e. "stop bugging us, we'll put up signs in the next 30 days"

I may need to see what other cities have 311 pages that I can put in requests for.

Maybe Norfolk for VA 404 and 405. Also, do counties have 311 pages, or just cities? I wouldn't mind seeing VA 366, 410, or 327 get signed.

Unrelated, do we think there could be a new VA 408 out there somewhere since 409 and 410 have come back into use in the past 15 years?

Online 311 portals seem to be a relatively recent development. Richmond debuted theirs in 2023, and Virginia Beach opened theirs last year. I imagine only cities and most towns would have them since everything else is under VDOT's purview.

Looks like Norfolk does have one, as does Chesapeake. Hampton seems to only have a mobile app for requesting city services.

[WillWeaverRVA]

VA 327 is signed the way Chesterfield County likes to sign routes.

VA 327 AT SR 1111 by Mark Moore, on Flickr

If VDOT isn't going to post shields, this is fine. At least Chesterfield got the route number right, elsewhere they have VA 324 signed as SR 1755 for some reason.

[74/171FAN]

VA 327 is signed the way Chesterfield County likes to sign routes.

VA 327 AT SR 1111 by Mark Moore, on Flickr

If VDOT isn't going to post shields, this is fine. At least Chesterfield got the route number right, elsewhere they have VA 324 signed as SR 1755 for some reason.

Yeah I have noticed a few of these while working on the Chesterfield County 800+ secondary route list for the AARoads Wiki.

The most obvious goof being SR 1686 when it should be SR 2230.

[Takumi]

VA 327 is signed the way Chesterfield County likes to sign routes.

VA 327 AT SR 1111 by Mark Moore, on Flickr

If VDOT isn't going to post shields, this is fine. At least Chesterfield got the route number right, elsewhere they have VA 324 signed as SR 1755 for some reason.

Yeah I have noticed a few of these while working on the Chesterfield County 800+ secondary route list for the AARoads Wiki.

The most obvious goof being SR 1686 when it should be SR 2230.

Even some 6xx secondaries have the wrong number on occasion, such as Woodpecker Road as SR 676 instead of 626. They even had "SR36" on River Road street blades as far west as Riverway Road in the past, but now it looks like newer installations are replacing those with correct 602s. As of now there's still one with a 36 at Second Branch Road.

The Chatsworth Avenue thing for VA 324 has always been odd to me, because Chatsworth Avenue is a nearby neighborhood street in Bon Air, though based on other street blades it does appear to actually be SR 1755.

[WillWeaverRVA]

The Chatsworth Avenue thing for VA 324 has always been odd to me, because Chatsworth Avenue is a nearby neighborhood street in Bon Air, though based on other street blades it does appear to actually be SR 1755.

Chatsworth Avenue is similar to a city street in that it exists in segments. However, the segment that serves the Bon Air Juvenile Correctional Center is significantly longer than the neighborhood street is, and they're both explicitly part of Chatsworth Avenue (as Bon Air JCC has a Chatsworth Avenue address). That segment predates the neighborhood street, and I guess Chesterfield County decided to name it as part of Chatsworth Avenue.

[WillWeaverRVA]

I submitted some 311 requests to Hampton regarding signing US 258 and VA 143 on or near Fort Monroe since the area is under city jurisdiction now (despite there being some VA 9xxxx routes there), and the VDOT ArcGIS map shows US 258 and VA 143 running on McNair Drive on Fort Monroe as a useless concurrency before ending near the Chamberlin Hotel.

I also submitted one to Norfolk regarding the infamous VA 564 sign leaving the naval base, but I doubt they'll do anything with that one since it's on Navy property (even though VDOT installed it).

[Takumi]

Re: Chesterfield putting route numbers on its street blades, VA 366 does not have a number on its blade at all. Just "Brightpoint Dr".

[WillWeaverRVA]

Re: Chesterfield putting route numbers on its street blades, VA 366 does not have a number on its blade at all. Just "Brightpoint Dr".

Since I seem to have made this my new mission, I emailed Chesterfield County about the Chatsworth and Brightpoint sign madness.

[74/171FAN]

Re: Chesterfield putting route numbers on its street blades, VA 366 does not have a number on its blade at all. Just "Brightpoint Dr".

Since I seem to have made this my new mission, I emailed Chesterfield County about the Chatsworth and Brightpoint sign madness.

Some of the newer subdivision routes do not have them either, but I think that is more of either an oversight or waiting for VDOT to choose numbers than anything else.

[WillWeaverRVA]

Re: Chesterfield putting route numbers on its street blades, VA 366 does not have a number on its blade at all. Just "Brightpoint Dr".

Since I seem to have made this my new mission, I emailed Chesterfield County about the Chatsworth and Brightpoint sign madness.

Some of the newer subdivision routes do not have them either, but I think that is more of either an oversight or waiting for VDOT to choose numbers than anything else.

Some of those subdivisions haven't actually submitted their streets to VDOT for addition to the secondary system. They'll probably get route numbers eventually.

[WillWeaverRVA]

I submitted some 311 requests to Hampton regarding signing US 258 and VA 143 on or near Fort Monroe since the area is under city jurisdiction now (despite there being some VA 9xxxx routes there), and the VDOT ArcGIS map shows US 258 and VA 143 running on McNair Drive on Fort Monroe as a useless concurrency before ending near the Chamberlin Hotel.

And that didn't take long, all the requests are shown as cancelled.

[Takumi]

Re: Chesterfield putting route numbers on its street blades, VA 366 does not have a number on its blade at all. Just "Brightpoint Dr".

Since I seem to have made this my new mission, I emailed Chesterfield County about the Chatsworth and Brightpoint sign madness.

I think the Chatsworth one for VA 324 is like the aforementioned VA 36 blades on the west-of-anywhere-VA-36-ever-was parts of River Road, where they likely just made a batch of signs and assumed they all had the same number.

Also worth noting, MPC Way was fairly recent new construction and most if not all of the rest of VA 327 is now behind gates. What few blades are visible on campus on GMSV appear to be university installations.

[Mapmikey]

VA 375 is now posted with erroneous circle shields in both directions from VA 3. The rectangle 375 that had been there 30+ years was removed. This change occurred very recently.