New Jersey

[Roadgeek Adam]

Probably.

Also, NJ Transit has announced that due to the construction, anyone who wants to take trains will not have to pay a fare to get on at the west of Dover stations (Hackettstown, Mount Olive, Netcong–Stanhope, Lake Hopatcong and Mount Arlington) and on the way back would only pay a one-way fare, in effect leading to a 50% discount for commuters affected by Interstate 80 and the 275-year old mine.

[74/171FAN]

I-287 NB is fully reopen.

[D-Dey65]

90 underground holes found under I-80 in New Jersey: official  (It may be a few weeks before I-80 EB is reopen.)

How deep are these mines? I almost wondered if some of them could be used to rebuild I-80 itself, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

[ixnay]

Have police been directing traffic around the closure 24/7 since this mess began over a month ago?

[SignBridge]

Have police been directing traffic around the closure 24/7 since this mess began over a month ago?

The news video has shown police officers including State Troopers directing traffic.

As a point of interest, in 1983 when Connecticut had a major bridge collapse and closure on I-95 in Greenwich, a large contingent of Connecticut Troopers was detailed to that city to handle traffic during the lengthy detour onto U.S.1. Of course the more than affluent Greenwich community had lots of political influence to pressure the state to do that to compensate them for sending all that commercial traffic into their community.

[jeffandnicole]

Have police been directing traffic around the closure 24/7 since this mess began over a month ago?

It's actually been about 2 1/2 months since 80 was closed, plus a shorter closure back in late December.

From what I've read, police have been assisting at traffic lights, controlling them when feasible. They're out there during the busy daytime, but generally not overnight.

But I'm not sure what you may mean by directing. Not everyone exiting the highway is doing so in regards to the detour and reentering the highway. The signed detour is pretty clear, but people are often taking other routes. Signal timings have been adjusted on Routes 10, 15 and 46.

But if you're imagining police standing out in intersections - they're usually not doing that.

[roadman65]

Have police been directing traffic around the closure 24/7 since this mess began over a month ago?

It's actually been about 2 1/2 months since 80 was closed, plus a shorter closure back in late December.

From what I've read, police have been assisting at traffic lights, controlling them when feasible. They're out there during the busy daytime, but generally not overnight.

But I'm not sure what you may mean by directing. Not everyone exiting the highway is doing so in regards to the detour and reentering the highway. The signed detour is pretty clear, but people are often taking other routes. Signal timings have been adjusted on Routes 10, 15 and 46.

But if you're imagining police standing out in intersections - they're usually not doing that.

No they attach a cable with a switch on the end of it to manually operate the signal from their cruisers.


Here is an article from NJ.com on this fiasco.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19sS4Vr8fX/

[ixnay]

Have police been directing traffic around the closure 24/7 since this mess began over a month ago?

It's actually been about 2 1/2 months since 80 was closed, plus a shorter closure back in late December.

From what I've read, police have been assisting at traffic lights, controlling them when feasible. They're out there during the busy daytime, but generally not overnight.

But I'm not sure what you may mean by directing. Not everyone exiting the highway is doing so in regards to the detour and reentering the highway. The signed detour is pretty clear, but people are often taking other routes. Signal timings have been adjusted on Routes 10, 15 and 46.

But if you're imagining police standing out in intersections - they're usually not doing that.

To the first bolded: Well, I'll get back to that.

To the second bolded:  Yes, basically, that's what I imagined.

Now to the first bolded: Re your second and third 'graphs, was all that done during the December closure?

Oh, and I don't recall eb 80 being closed all these months.

[jeffandnicole]

First: I f'ed up the timeline. It has only been 1 1/2 months.

They got lucky in December. The first sinkhole formed just after Christmas. Traffic is naturally  lighter due to the holiday period and they managed with what existed on the detour route.

When it reformed, they realized they had a significant issue on their hands. I think it was over the first weekend they reprogrammed the lights.

[roadman65]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1YuYvESFry/

Interesting video on New Jersey's engineering marvel: The Jughandle.

[artmalk]

I would like NJDOT to post "Historic Route 24" signs on its old alignment between Morristown and Phillipsburg.  I had Chat GPT design the sign.

[Roadgeek Adam]

I would like NJDOT to post "Historic Route 24" signs on its old alignment between Morristown and Phillipsburg.  I had Chat GPT design the sign.

Uh, no. It's not a necessity or a priority. I would rather they extend 57, but that's not necessary either.

[D-Dey65]

I would like NJDOT to post "Historic Route 24" signs on its old alignment between Morristown and Phillipsburg.  I had Chat GPT design the sign.

And I'd like to see a revival of the Union Freeway so I-278 can be connected to I-78.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1YuYvESFry/

Interesting video on New Jersey's engineering marvel: The Jughandle.

There are a lot of roads in Spring Hill where people do what Larry Higgs calls the "Poke and Hope." Mariner Boulevard, Spring Hill Drive, Northcliffe Boulevard and Deltona Avenue are notorious for forcing this on drivers. I'm not recommending jughandles down here. Just more left-turn lanes in the medians and closures of some median openings

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/D9ZAV781AFyqTgBJ8?g_st=ac

Why is there a SJTA Ends sign here on US 30 in Camden?

Isn't the SJTA the agency that maintains the ACE? Why are they here mikes away from the Expressway?

[02 Park Ave]

There is some sort of agreement whereby SJTA maintains the North-South Freeway.  It has been this way for years and is known locally.

[roadman65]

There is some sort of agreement whereby SJTA maintains the North-South Freeway.  It has been this way for years and is known locally.

So ACE tolls support Route 42, I-76, and I-676?

Considering that it's on a US 30 milepost I assumed that Admiral Wilson Blvd might of been SJTA.

Although the part of Admiral Wilson West of the Linden Street exit was constructed with I-676 it might be as well.  Prior to I-676, US 30 was aligned on the one way couplet of Linden and Penn Streets between the bridge and Admiral Wilson Blvd.

[jeffandnicole]

There is some sort of agreement whereby SJTA maintains the North-South Freeway.  It has been this way for years and is known locally.

So ACE tolls support Route 42, I-76, and I-676?

Considering that it's on a US 30 milepost I assumed that Admiral Wilson Blvd might of been SJTA.

Although the part of Admiral Wilson West of the Linden Street exit was constructed with I-676 it might be as well.  Prior to I-676, US 30 was aligned on the one way couplet of Linden and Penn Streets between the bridge and Admiral Wilson Blvd.

This was brought up a few years ago here. This was the summary I provided at the time: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10453.msg2795292#msg2795292

[storm2k]

I would like NJDOT to post "Historic Route 24" signs on its old alignment between Morristown and Phillipsburg.  I had Chat GPT design the sign.

I designed one of these a while ago in Illustrator.

[ixnay]

Storm, you should've used the pre-1953 NJ route shield, unless Illustrator doesn't possess such capability.

[D-Dey65]

Storm, you should've used the pre-1953 NJ route shield, unless Illustrator doesn't possess such capability.

I actually like this version. It's not like my shield for Historic NY 17 though.

[jeffandnicole]

So I've been intregued a bit about Crown Point Road in West Deptford.  It had been Gloucester CR 631. All the signs have been removed, and new traffic light mast street blades omit a route number. 

I finally wrote the county today and they confirmed it went back under State jurisdiction, and is a continuation of SR 44.  Not surprisingly, the state hasn't erected any route signage.  They also never added route signage for Business 322 around Mullica Hill either when 322 was re-routed.

BTW, CR 631 is part of the infamous 4 County Route BGS on 295, so I imagine it will revert back to 3 county routes in a future replacement.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/VVtM2wW8UyqzVqLs5

Overall, there seems to be a very lackadaisical attitude from NJDOT towards Gloucester County in recent years.  There's several NJDOT roads where the county has undertaken projects that should really be state projects. The US 322 bypass in Mullica Hill was ultimately completed by the county; the state reimbursed the county over several years.  US 322 & CR 655 (Fries Mill Rd), NJ 45 & 678 (Mt. Royal Rd), NJ 45 & 632 (Mantua Blvd) and even I-295 and Exit 10 (Center Square Rd) have all had construction or studies done thru the county. 

[74/171FAN]

I finally wrote the county today and they confirmed it went back under State jurisdiction, and is a continuation of SR 44.  Not surprisingly, the state hasn't erected any route signage.  They also never added route signage for Business 322 around Mullica Hill either when 322 was re-routed.

I am unable to find the NJ SLDs showing that NJ 44 has been extended. 

[jeffandnicole]

I finally wrote the county today and they confirmed it went back under State jurisdiction, and is a continuation of SR 44.  Not surprisingly, the state hasn't erected any route signage.  They also never added route signage for Business 322 around Mullica Hill either when 322 was re-routed.

I am unable to find the NJ SLDs showing that NJ 44 has been extended. 

I don't believe the SLDs have been updated for several years.  And technically, they aren't an official document, but rather a resource.  But that said, more official stuff hasn't been updated either, and there's nothing I can find on the web referencing any changeover from CR 631 to NJ 44.  If you look closely, sites like Google Maps don't show 631, but doesn't show it as 44 either.

[NJRoadfan]

https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/rt44.shtm
https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_west.shtm
https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_east.shtm

Part of this was a "local road under state jurisdiction" already. The section north of Red Bank Ave. isn't covered though. NJDOT does weird things with service roads and such. They maintain them, but they don't have route numbers.

[roadman65]

https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/rt44.shtm
https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_west.shtm
https://dot.nj.gov/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_east.shtm

Part of this was a "local road under state jurisdiction" already. The section north of Red Bank Ave. isn't covered though. NJDOT does weird things with service roads and such. They maintain them, but they don't have route numbers.

Or like Hoboken Avenue in Jersey City is the roadway over Route 139 that is state maintained. Instead of giving it a route number it's considered part of Route 139 and inventoried as NJ139U.