Counties referred to like cities

Started by empirestate, March 24, 2021, 08:02:10 PM

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Max Rockatansky

I never found that to be the case, especially on the island of Maui.  Places like Hana, Wailuku, Lahaina and Kihei are referred to as the distinct communities that they are. 


Road Hog

In North Texas you could say Tarrant or Collin or Ellis or Wise and people would know where you're talking about without calling it a county.

Dallas or Denton or Kaufman or Rockwall is different because there are cities within those counties you have to differentiate.

mgk920

Has anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

Rothman

Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 10:35:52 AMHas anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

No, because they aren't or are no longer mentioned as individual cities.
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bugo

Quote from: Ned Weasel on March 24, 2021, 09:43:02 PMOh, also Wyandotte County, Kansas is often just called "Wyandotte."  Sometimes "The Dotte," if you're cool enough, I guess.

Crimedotte County.

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: Rothman on April 06, 2025, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 10:35:52 AMHas anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

No, because they aren't or are no longer mentioned as individual cities.

Brooklyn and Manhattan frequently get their own individual mentions. If you're a baseball fan, those people know Bronx and (to a lesser degree) Queens.

Sorry Staten Island.

mgk920

Quote from: Rothman on April 06, 2025, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 10:35:52 AMHas anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

No, because they aren't or are no longer mentioned as individual cities.

To the USPS, it is very much still 'Bronx, NY', 'Brooklyn, NY' and 'Staten Island, NY'.

Rothman

Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 06, 2025, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 10:35:52 AMHas anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

No, because they aren't or are no longer mentioned as individual cities.

To the USPS, it is very much still 'Bronx, NY', 'Brooklyn, NY' and 'Staten Island, NY'.


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If you think USPS naming and informal public naming conventions are the same...you are wrong.
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Rothman

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 06, 2025, 08:14:19 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 06, 2025, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 06, 2025, 10:35:52 AMHas anyone in here yet brought up the five boroughs of NYC?

Mike

No, because they aren't or are no longer mentioned as individual cities.

Brooklyn and Manhattan frequently get their own individual mentions. If you're a baseball fan, those people know Bronx and (to a lesser degree) Queens.

Sorry Staten Island.

Meh, not as their own cities.  Everyone knows they're all part of NYC.  They're basically being mentioned aa their own sections of NYC rather than independently.
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vdeane

"Manhattan", "Brooklyn", and "Staten Island" aren't county names either (it's New York, Kings, and Richmond, respectively).  Queens is, but even Bronx County doesn't perfectly match (the borough is The Bronx).
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mgk920

The New York Nets missed the playoffs this again season?

Mike

Henry

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ran4sh

I'm not sure I see people referring to Fulton like a city though... most people say the actual city for places in Fulton County (Atlanta, Sandy Springs, Roswell, Johns Creek, etc)
Center lane merges are the most unsafe thing ever, especially for unfamiliar drivers.

Control cities should be actual cities/places that travelers are trying to reach.

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ran4sh

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on March 24, 2021, 10:12:04 PMAre we counting consolidated city-counties, like San Francisco, or Athens, GA?

Almost no one refers to Clarke County GA as "Clarke, GA" the way the OP meant... all references are to Athens, GA
Center lane merges are the most unsafe thing ever, especially for unfamiliar drivers.

Control cities should be actual cities/places that travelers are trying to reach.

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roadman65

Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2025, 09:25:00 PM"Manhattan", "Brooklyn", and "Staten Island" aren't county names either (it's New York, Kings, and Richmond, respectively).  Queens is, but even Bronx County doesn't perfectly match (the borough is The Bronx).

And Queens is a borough where the post office uses neighborhood names for addresses.  There is no Queens, New York in mailing through the USPS.
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Scott5114

It seems like it's fairly common to refer to most of Nevada's counties without "County", since there's only 17 of them. (I guess you can't do it with Elko County because Elko city exists.) During the election, you'd see Nevada-based commentators referring to "the mail returns from Washoe", "early voting in Clark", "I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda", and things like that.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

ClassicHasClass

Quote"I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda"

s/the Internet/running water/

Big John

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on April 16, 2025, 09:54:21 PM
Quote"I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda"

s/the Internet/running water/
In Bewitched


Henry

Quote from: ran4sh on April 09, 2025, 11:26:24 AMI'm not sure I see people referring to Fulton like a city though... most people say the actual city for places in Fulton County (Atlanta, Sandy Springs, Roswell, Johns Creek, etc)
I take that back.
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Scott5114

Quote from: ClassicHasClass on April 16, 2025, 09:54:21 PM
Quote"I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda"

s/the Internet/running water/

Apparently up until about 10 years ago Esmeralda County records weren't computerized. They were on paper. In leatherbound books. In calligraphy.
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mrsman

Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2025, 09:25:00 PM"Manhattan", "Brooklyn", and "Staten Island" aren't county names either (it's New York, Kings, and Richmond, respectively).  Queens is, but even Bronx County doesn't perfectly match (the borough is The Bronx).

At least to bring it relevant to our board, the borough names are used as control cities on highway signage when you are in another borough.  Even control city purists who balk at using state names, county names, or names of bridges on the signs would likely not have a problem with the usage of borough names along NYC interstates.

Rothman

Quote from: mrsman on April 29, 2025, 08:39:45 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 06, 2025, 09:25:00 PM"Manhattan", "Brooklyn", and "Staten Island" aren't county names either (it's New York, Kings, and Richmond, respectively).  Queens is, but even Bronx County doesn't perfectly match (the borough is The Bronx).

At least to bring it relevant to our board, the borough names are used as control cities on highway signage when you are in another borough.  Even control city purists who balk at using state names, county names, or names of bridges on the signs would likely not have a problem with the usage of borough names along NYC interstates.

The City of Del Water Gap...
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roadman65

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 16, 2025, 08:56:59 PMIt seems like it's fairly common to refer to most of Nevada's counties without "County", since there's only 17 of them. (I guess you can't do it with Elko County because Elko city exists.) During the election, you'd see Nevada-based commentators referring to "the mail returns from Washoe", "early voting in Clark", "I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda", and things like that.

New York does that. It's Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam.  Other counties like Orange County are called that as well as Duchess and Ulster are followed by county.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Rothman

Quote from: roadman65 on April 29, 2025, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 16, 2025, 08:56:59 PMIt seems like it's fairly common to refer to most of Nevada's counties without "County", since there's only 17 of them. (I guess you can't do it with Elko County because Elko city exists.) During the election, you'd see Nevada-based commentators referring to "the mail returns from Washoe", "early voting in Clark", "I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda", and things like that.

New York does that. It's Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam.  Other counties like Orange County are called that as well as Duchess and Ulster are followed by county.

It's inconsistent in New York with this usage.
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vdeane

Quote from: Rothman on April 29, 2025, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 29, 2025, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 16, 2025, 08:56:59 PMIt seems like it's fairly common to refer to most of Nevada's counties without "County", since there's only 17 of them. (I guess you can't do it with Elko County because Elko city exists.) During the election, you'd see Nevada-based commentators referring to "the mail returns from Washoe", "early voting in Clark", "I didn't know they even had the Internet in Esmeralda", and things like that.

New York does that. It's Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, Westchester, and Putnam.  Other counties like Orange County are called that as well as Duchess and Ulster are followed by county.

It's inconsistent in New York with this usage.
That might be a downstate thing.  If the "definition of upstate vs. downstate" thread were still active, I'd even list that as a possible criteria.
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