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Started by FLRoads, January 20, 2009, 11:55:15 PM

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CanesFan27

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2025, 08:21:47 PMThere was also a proposal in the 1960s to run an Interstate Highway along the US 13 and US 17 corridors from Fayetteville, NC to Norfolk, VA. It was to be numbered Interstate 13: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aERjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OnQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3062%2C2936030. Of course, nothing ever came of that proposal.

Maybe I should dig a bit more to see if I can update what I wrote about Sanford's Interstate 13 proposal.

From 2015: https://www.gribblenation.org/2015/02/terry-sanfords-1964-north-carolina.html


CanesFan27

Quote from: CanesFan27 on June 25, 2025, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2025, 08:21:47 PMThere was also a proposal in the 1960s to run an Interstate Highway along the US 13 and US 17 corridors from Fayetteville, NC to Norfolk, VA. It was to be numbered Interstate 13: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aERjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OnQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3062%2C2936030. Of course, nothing ever came of that proposal.

Maybe I should dig a bit more to see if I can update what I wrote about Sanford's Interstate 13 proposal.

From 2015: https://www.gribblenation.org/2015/02/terry-sanfords-1964-north-carolina.html

The limited feedback from this proposal highlighted some of the political tug-of-war in the state and other non and official proposals made by the state later that decade -some have since been resolved, others are still ongoing.

1. North Carolina's late realization that they should have requested more mileage in the original 1950s requests
2. Eastern North Carolina feeling neglected in any form of highway access.
3. Northeastern North Carolina tie-ins to the Port of Norfolk, and the rest of the state fearing how it would negatively impact Morehead City and Wilmington.
4. The rest of the state wanting an east-west or east-west-like access to the Ports.  Paraphrasing - It's our fault, we should have had I-40 go beyond Greensboro to the coast in the first place.

The I-13 proposal and a similar counterproposal (made around the same time by a different politician) for a 40-mile spur from the Norfolk area to Elizabeth City were pretty much dead in the water. (at least from what I have found so far.)  Thanks for digging this back up - it'll give me something to write about over the 4th of July weekend!

sturmde

Quote from: Chris on June 23, 2025, 02:26:04 PMIs this vandalism on Openstreetmap? Or did North Carolina applied for yet another new Interstate Highway?

The map shows I-97 on the Wilmington bypass.
<see above post, or OpenStreetMap>

The same fictivandal has created I-385 on US 1 south from I-85 towards Raleigh.  (A reasonable proposal had it actually been made), and added an I-142 along the interstate-grade sections of NC 148.

At least I'd presume it was the same person.  I'm not clever enough yet to know how to read OSM's edit history to the degree I can with Wikipedia... but maybe someone can undo it.  None of those are legit.  And, maybe there are more that we haven't noticed yet?

The Ghostbuster

He/She should join the AARoads Forum. Then they could put their fictional North Carolina Interstates plan in Fictional Highways.

cowboy_wilhelm

Quote from: sturmde on June 26, 2025, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 23, 2025, 02:26:04 PMIs this vandalism on Openstreetmap? Or did North Carolina applied for yet another new Interstate Highway?

The map shows I-97 on the Wilmington bypass.
<see above post, or OpenStreetMap>

The same fictivandal has created I-385 on US 1 south from I-85 towards Raleigh.  (A reasonable proposal had it actually been made), and added an I-142 along the interstate-grade sections of NC 148.

At least I'd presume it was the same person.  I'm not clever enough yet to know how to read OSM's edit history to the degree I can with Wikipedia... but maybe someone can undo it.  None of those are legit.  And, maybe there are more that we haven't noticed yet?

Joined five days ago.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kareembadpigges

Also changed Wade Ave. to I-740, but someone already fixed it.

The Ghostbuster

The US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.

architect77

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.

I'm curious as to why you say this. When I lived in Calif. in the 90s no freeway exits had numbers. The feds eventually forced them to add numbers but they weren't required to add true tabs, they let them add "tabs" on the signs themselves.

I've noticed over the past 15 year or so that coworkers refer to interchanges simply as exit numbers. I guess the numbers are important to you as well.

I personally haven't ever interpreted interchanges by their numbers. I pay attention to the names on the signs.

sprjus4

Quote from: architect77 on June 27, 2025, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.
I'm curious as to why you say this.
Most freeways in North Carolina have exit numbers.

CanesFan27

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.

Most likely when they have a signing or construction project they will give those exits a number.  I'm nearly fully certain that the northern two exits received their numbers because it was part of the 85 rehab a few years ago.


The Ghostbuster

I prefer numbered exits to unnumbered exits. I am aware that most exits in California were unnumbered prior to the early 2000s. I remember getting a new Rand McNally Road Atlas from that timeframe, and being really excited when I got to California's pages and they showed that the exits were numbered.

Dirt Roads

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on June 27, 2025, 10:52:23 PMMost likely when they have a signing or construction project they will give those exits a number.  I'm nearly fully certain that the northern two exits received their numbers because it was part of the 85 rehab a few years ago.

The US-158 Bypass exit (US-158/Business US-1) is fully signed in both directions (Exit 155 southbound, Exit 155A-B northbound).  But then the Warrenton Road exit is only signed as "Exit 154" at the gores, as none of the BGS have exit tabs.  Further south, the NC-39 exit also has a tab. :hmmm:

plain

Quote from: Dirt Roads on June 29, 2025, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.

Quote from: CanesFan27 on June 27, 2025, 10:52:23 PMMost likely when they have a signing or construction project they will give those exits a number.  I'm nearly fully certain that the northern two exits received their numbers because it was part of the 85 rehab a few years ago.

The US-158 Bypass exit (US-158/Business US-1) is fully signed in both directions (Exit 155 southbound, Exit 155A-B northbound).  But then the Warrenton Road exit is only signed as "Exit 154" at the gores, as none of the BGS have exit tabs.  Further south, the NC-39 exit also has a tab. :hmmm:

There are exits along US 64 around Nashville where the exit numbers appear at the gore but no tabs on the BGS.
Newark born, Richmond bred

architect77

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 27, 2025, 05:35:59 PM
Quote from: architect77 on June 27, 2025, 05:17:33 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 26, 2025, 08:32:15 PMThe US 1 bypass of Henderson should have all of its exits numbered, since the only numbered exits are the northernmost two exits (the NC 56 exit in Franklinton should also get a number). Wade Ave. should also get exit numbers.
I'm curious as to why you say this.
Most freeways in North Carolina have exit numbers.

Interstates are almost all numbered. I wonder how many people on multi-state road trips use the exit numbers to know their progress to the state line.

And on the subject of relying on exit numbers to recognize your exit, in the 90s Georgia's interstate exits were just numerical across the state on a particular interstate, not based on the miles to the border.

They changed them to follow the mile markers around when the Olympics were held. So I wonder how many folks had to learn new numbers to know where their exits were.

Personally I don't rely on exit numbers so i don't know if i agree that all 4-lane divided highways in NC should have numbered exits. Seems like a lot of work to number every highway regardless of its length or tie in to the interstate network.



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