I-49 in Arkansas

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bwana39

Quote from: Rick Powell on May 03, 2025, 04:25:39 PM[quote author=bwana39

I-69 will almost surely be built as far as to the I-369 split. Likely completed in less than 20 years. Once it gets that far, it will likely be built to at least I-49. The part from Shreveport to Memphis is an entirely different issue.

As Memphis to Dyersburg TN is also a completely different issue.

I think 20 years is generous for TxDOT to do another 800 miles of I-69. I think it may drag out to past the middle of the century for every section done.
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I was just focusing on the Houston to Texarkana / Shreveport sections. You MAY be right about the sections from Houston to the Rio Grande Valley.

I will give you there are still some small sections of 2-lanes on US-59 between Nacogdoches and Carthage.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.


sprjus4

Quote from: bwana39 on May 03, 2025, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on May 03, 2025, 04:25:39 PM[quote author=bwana39

I-69 will almost surely be built as far as to the I-369 split. Likely completed in less than 20 years. Once it gets that far, it will likely be built to at least I-49. The part from Shreveport to Memphis is an entirely different issue.

As Memphis to Dyersburg TN is also a completely different issue.

I think 20 years is generous for TxDOT to do another 800 miles of I-69. I think it may drag out to past the middle of the century for every section done.

I was just focusing on the Houston to Texarkana / Shreveport sections. You MAY be right about the sections from Houston to the Rio Grande Valley.

I will give you there are still some small sections of 2-lanes on US-59 between Nacogdoches and Carthage.
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All of US-59 is four lanes, a lot of it is undivided, however. You might be thinking of the SH-315 shortcut.

I imagine I-69 / I-69E will be completed between Houston and Brownsville before I-69 is complete between Houston and Texarkana.

They've been making significant progress south compared to north.

Road Hog

I don't think that's unjustified as the RGV is the most underserved region in the U.S. But one still needs to connect beyond that. 

bwana39

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Quote from: bwana39 on May 03, 2025, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rick Powell on May 03, 2025, 04:25:39 PM[quote author=bwana39

I-69 will almost surely be built as far as to the I-369 split. Likely completed in less than 20 years. Once it gets that far, it will likely be built to at least I-49. The part from Shreveport to Memphis is an entirely different issue.

As Memphis to Dyersburg TN is also a completely different issue.

I think 20 years is generous for TxDOT to do another 800 miles of I-69. I think it may drag out to past the middle of the century for every section done.

I was just focusing on the Houston to Texarkana / Shreveport sections. You MAY be right about the sections from Houston to the Rio Grande Valley.

I will give you there are still some small sections of 2-lanes on US-59 between Nacogdoches and Carthage.
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QuoteAll of US-59 is four lanes, a lot of it is undivided, however. You might be thinking of the SH-315 shortcut.

I imagine I-69 / I-69E will be completed between Houston and Brownsville before I-69 is complete between Houston and Texarkana.

They've been making significant progress south compared to north.

Using GSV, The stretches outside of Teneha on both sides appear to be 4 lane (not 5) with no shoulders. This exact pavement used to be striped as 2-lanes with shoulders (probably 25 years ago). I rarely go that way. 59 has more vigorous police enforcement. No, I realized SH-315 which is my normal route has lots of 2-lane, but still is usually a better route. The point is that US-59 is still more than 1 upgrade away from Interstate.

I still think the completed Interstate will probably reach Nacogdoches from Houston within the next decade with the current rate of progress. Another decade would seem about right to reach Texarkana.  I have never been past Richmond on 59 south of Houston.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

sprjus4

Quote from: bwana39 on May 04, 2025, 04:49:19 AMUsing GSV, The stretches outside of Teneha on both sides appear to be 4 lane (not 5) with no shoulders. This exact pavement used to be striped as 2-lanes with shoulders (probably 25 years ago). I rarely go that way. 59 has more vigorous police enforcement. No, I realized SH-315 which is my normal route has lots of 2-lane, but still is usually a better route. The point is that US-59 is still more than 1 upgrade away from Interstate.

I still think the completed Interstate will probably reach Nacogdoches from Houston within the next decade with the current rate of progress. Another decade would seem about right to reach Texarkana.  I have never been past Richmond on 59 south of Houston.

SH-315 has a 70 mph speed limit and has a lot of 2 lane mixed throughout.

I've done both and found US-59 to be my preferred - it's all 4 lanes and is mostly 75 mph. Slightly longer, but faster and consistently have the ability to pass trucks.

Speed enforcement doesn't really seem to be an issue - if you're looking to go more than 80 mph on a four lane undivided highway, that's not an enforcement issue. It's just not safe.

bwana39

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Quote from: sprjus4 on May 04, 2025, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: bwana39 on May 04, 2025, 04:49:19 AMUsing GSV, The stretches outside of Teneha on both sides appear to be 4 lane (not 5) with no shoulders. This exact pavement used to be striped as 2-lanes with shoulders (probably 25 years ago). I rarely go that way. 59 has more vigorous police enforcement. No, I realized SH-315 which is my normal route has lots of 2-lane, but still is usually a better route. The point is that US-59 is still more than 1 upgrade away from Interstate.

I still think the completed Interstate will probably reach Nacogdoches from Houston within the next decade with the current rate of progress. Another decade would seem about right to reach Texarkana.  I have never been past Richmond on 59 south of Houston.

SH-315 has a 70 mph speed limit and has a lot of 2 lane mixed throughout.

I've done both and found US-59 to be my preferred - it's all 4 lanes and is mostly 75 mph. Slightly longer, but faster and consistently have the ability to pass trucks.

Speed enforcement doesn't really seem to be an issue - if you're looking to go more than 80 mph on a four lane undivided highway, that's not an enforcement issue. It's just not safe.

I was not talking about the policing on the open parts. I was referring to the enforcement and (sometimes) abusive overzealous policing in Teneha and Timpson.   Garrison and Mount Enterprise seem to be a push.

I prefer the 2 lane with shoulders to the 4 lane without. 

If I were driving an 18-wheeler or pulling a trailer, I would probably avoid SH-315 as well.  For what it is worth. SH-315 is due up for 4-lane divided. Construction  to begin within the next five years.



Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

The Ghostbuster

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Google Maps has updated their Satellite View to include construction of the northern extension of the isolated AR 549/future Interstate 49 segment east of Fort Smith: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3464668,-94.3151206,6428m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYyNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

Road Hog

I love the old oxbows evident on the map. But wake me up when we start to see bridge pilings.

Sapphuby

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2025, 08:47:33 PMI don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Google Maps has updated their Satellite View to include construction of the northern extension of the isolated AR 549/future Interstate 49 segment east of Fort Smith: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3464668,-94.3151206,6428m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYyNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

Looks like on Copernicus, as of 06/29, they're beginning groundbreaking for the SB exit ramps at the current northern terminus. They also have the ROW for the Gun Club Road exit clearly visible. Looks like it's going to be a parclo.



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