Interstate 11 alignment, though Vegas and points north

[US 395]

You can look at NDOT's AADT reports here.  It says "2024", but those pages actually cover the period from 2015 through 2024.

I don't think those reports are completely accurate.  Looking at Esmeralda County, it makes no sense that AADT at Station 0090005 on US 95 was 3650 in 2022.  That's 800 more than at that station in any of the other nine years, and is also 750 more than at Station 0090006, just a few miles away, in the same year.

The "quick and dirty" glance at US 95 across a few counties says, yes, there's a general "uptick" over the ten years but it's not very significant.  At that rate of increase it will be many decades before construction of full Interstate in counties like Mineral and Esmeralda could be justified by AADT on US 95.

I took a looksee at them and I was wondering about the accuracy too. Some of the 2024 AADTs show lower numbers than in 2023. I was looking at 0210005 in Mineral County and for 2023 it says 5150 but for 2024, it's 3850.

[mgk920]

It will evolve into more just like US 41 did here in Wisconsin.

Mike

[roadfro]

You can look at NDOT's AADT reports here.  It says "2024", but those pages actually cover the period from 2015 through 2024.

I don't think those reports are completely accurate.  Looking at Esmeralda County, it makes no sense that AADT at Station 0090005 on US 95 was 3650 in 2022.  That's 800 more than at that station in any of the other nine years, and is also 750 more than at Station 0090006, just a few miles away, in the same year.

NDOT's yearly traffic reports typically include data for the last 10 years.

As for that station in Esmeralda County: I'm pretty sure that section was reconstructed around that time frame (Street View shows signs of reconstruction between May 2021 & April 2023), so the increased AADT might be attributable to construction vehicles.

I took a looksee at them and I was wondering about the accuracy too. Some of the 2024 AADTs show lower numbers than in 2023. I was looking at 0210005 in Mineral County and for 2023 it says 5150 but for 2024, it's 3850.

Also possibly explained by construction, as I'm pretty sure that this segment was repaved in 2023. (Street View is not as clear as previous, but there are differences between April 2023 and Sept 2024 views--and the satellite view looks like really fresh pavement starting just south of the Schurz school.)

[Scott5114]

I don't think those reports are completely accurate.  Looking at Esmeralda County, it makes no sense that AADT at Station 0090005 on US 95 was 3650 in 2022.  That's 800 more than at that station in any of the other nine years, and is also 750 more than at Station 0090006, just a few miles away, in the same year.

Perhaps there was some sort of mining operation being constructed nearby in 2022?

[Bobby5280]

AADT counts along US-95 between Las Vegas and the Reno area will never be significant as long as the highway remains mostly a desolate 2-lane route. Short extensions of I-11 from Las Vegas up to Indian Springs or any number of stubs off I-80 at Clark or Fernley won't make any difference. The bulk of US-95 between Reno and Las Vegas will only serve local traffic.

A proper thru route, 4-lane divided all the way, could function as a regional bypass of California. Interior US traffic coming from places like Texas and heading to the Pacific Northwest could bypass California (along with its high fuel prices, traffic, etc). But that only works if there is a focused effort to build the whole damned thing. If I-11 is built piece-meal fashion just to serve local traffic demands between Las Vegas and Reno then they might as well not bother. Focus on the Vegas to West-of-Phoenix thing instead.

[Max Rockatansky]

Nevada is pretty much on the hook to build all of this.  CANAMEX anything probably isn't going to endear much Federal unless the next administration is wildly different than the current one.

[pderocco]

Nevada is pretty much on the hook to build all of this.  CANAMEX anything probably isn't going to endear much Federal unless the next administration is wildly different than the current one.

I dunno, it might make it easier for illegal immigrants to get to Canada.

[chays]

The Wikipedia page's table of major intersections for I-11 has columns for both Old Exit and New Exit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_11)  However, the GSV from May of this year shows the old number. I cannot find any information on a renumbering. Can anyone local verify that exit numbers haven't changed? Are there any plans for NDOT to make this change?

[The Ghostbuster]

This has been a bee in my bonnet as well. I think the exit numbers on US 95 (and US 93 east of Interstate 15) should have been renumbered to Interstate 11's mileage when 11 became signposted between Interstate 215 and NV 157. Even though 11 won't be signed past NV 157 at present, I would've also renumbered US 95's existing Exit 99 to Exit 57 (its future number). In addition, I would've numbered the exit at Mercury Hwy. via 11's mileage, even though it won't become part of 11 for quite some time.

[kphoger]

The Wikipedia page's table of major intersections for I-11 has columns for both Old Exit and New Exit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_11)  However, the GSV from May of this year shows the old number. I cannot find any information on a renumbering. Can anyone local verify that exit numbers haven't changed? Are there any plans for NDOT to make this change?

Looking at the edit history on the Wikipedia page... this issue goes back at least to June 2024.  User |ChessEric| attempted to fix it, but then someone else switched it back again five months later.

18:19, 22 June 2024
76.134.171.88
→Exit list

00:15, 8 July 2024
ChessEric
→Exit list: No source for these numbers.

19:32, 19 December 2024
EVERYTHING564
→Exit list

[CoreySamson]

The Wikipedia page's table of major intersections for I-11 has columns for both Old Exit and New Exit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_11)  However, the GSV from May of this year shows the old number. I cannot find any information on a renumbering. Can anyone local verify that exit numbers haven't changed? Are there any plans for NDOT to make this change?

Looking at the edit history on the Wikipedia page... this issue goes back at least to June 2024.  User |ChessEric| attempted to fix it, but then someone else switched it back again five months later.

18:19, 22 June 2024
76.134.171.88
→Exit list

00:15, 8 July 2024
ChessEric
→Exit list: No source for these numbers.

19:32, 19 December 2024
EVERYTHING564
→Exit list

Don't use Wikipedia anymore for road-related history and news, as most of the active road editors have moved over to the AARoads Wiki. They have more accurate information there about I-11's exit numbers (especially since Scott5114 is really involved with the wiki and he lives in Vegas! I would take his word for it.).

[vdeane]

In addition, I would've numbered the exit at Mercury Hwy. via 11's mileage, even though it won't become part of 11 for quite some time.

Does Mercury even have a signed exit number?  Google says 136, but I can't see any signage for it.

[The Ghostbuster]

It is unnumbered in both directions: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5989365,-115.9943835,3a,75y,262.56h,85.88t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjMIbw9TyxbDY3fhbtb29MA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.123321964603974%26panoid%3DjMIbw9TyxbDY3fhbtb29MA%26yaw%3D262.56104641595977!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D (NB); https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5975646,-116.000146,3a,75y,90.16h,86.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stVpqk5RfwfPsi_hvCuVGNA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.6851982493143254%26panoid%3DtVpqk5RfwfPsi_hvCuVGNA%26yaw%3D90.16384717770984!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D (SB).

[Bobby5280]

It looks like they might have to improve those inner left shoulders on the US-95 exit for Mercury in order to meet current Interstate standards.

[Scott5114]

The Wikipedia page's table of major intersections for I-11 has columns for both Old Exit and New Exit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_11)  However, the GSV from May of this year shows the old number. I cannot find any information on a renumbering. Can anyone local verify that exit numbers haven't changed? Are there any plans for NDOT to make this change?

It's total BS. NDOT has said and done nothing about exit renumbering.

Don't use Wikipedia for road coverage—they forced out all of the roadgeeks so there's nobody who knows what they're doing maintaining the articles there. Use https://wiki.aaroads.com/ instead.

This has been a bee in my bonnet as well. I think the exit numbers on US 95 (and US 93 east of Interstate 15) should have been renumbered to Interstate 11's mileage when 11 became signposted between Interstate 215 and NV 157. Even though 11 won't be signed past NV 157 at present, I would've also renumbered US 95's existing Exit 99 to Exit 57 (its future number). In addition, I would've numbered the exit at Mercury Hwy. via 11's mileage, even though it won't become part of 11 for quite some time.

The problem is that in Vegas the I-11 renumbering itself is a bee in some people's bonnet (there were even a few born & raised still mad about I-515 and insisting on calling it US-95), so changing the exit numbers at the same time would have been seen as changing too much, too quickly.

NDOT is probably waiting for the people complaining about I-11 to move back to California, and be replaced with different people from California who have never known it as anything other than I-11, before they change the exit numbering to match the 11 designation.

[roadfro]

The Wikipedia page's table of major intersections for I-11 has columns for both Old Exit and New Exit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_11)  However, the GSV from May of this year shows the old number. I cannot find any information on a renumbering. Can anyone local verify that exit numbers haven't changed? Are there any plans for NDOT to make this change?

It's total BS. NDOT has said and done nothing about exit renumbering.

Don't use Wikipedia for road coverage—they forced out all of the roadgeeks so there's nobody who knows what they're doing maintaining the articles there. Use https://wiki.aaroads.com/ instead.

That Wikipedia exit number issue has come up a couple of times. When the southern portion of I-515 was renumbered to I-11 but the northern portion remained, a rogue editor also made some changes. I used to be more involved in Wikipedia and would keep Nevada articles in check, but interests have shifted... Eventually, I'll get more involved with the AARoads wiki.

This has been a bee in my bonnet as well. I think the exit numbers on US 95 (and US 93 east of Interstate 15) should have been renumbered to Interstate 11's mileage when 11 became signposted between Interstate 215 and NV 157. Even though 11 won't be signed past NV 157 at present, I would've also renumbered US 95's existing Exit 99 to Exit 57 (its future number). In addition, I would've numbered the exit at Mercury Hwy. via 11's mileage, even though it won't become part of 11 for quite some time.

The problem is that in Vegas the I-11 renumbering itself is a bee in some people's bonnet (there were even a few born & raised still mad about I-515 and insisting on calling it US-95), so changing the exit numbers at the same time would have been seen as changing too much, too quickly.

Ghostbuster, I felt the same way about the exit numbering. Unfortunately, this seems to be NDOT's SOP...

NDOT signed I-580 in Reno and Carson City with the completion of the section south of Reno down to Washoe Valley in 2012. Their project to change all the exit numbers from US 395 mileage to I-580 mileage started in 2019 and finished in 2020 (and in most cases, exit tabs on BGSs were green-out patched to reflect new exit numbers, not replaced).

I could've seen it going differently in the I-11 case. For the signing of I-580 in Reno, all NDOT did was replace US 395 shields with I-580 & US 395 shields. I think exactly one overhead sign on the freeway itself was changed (most BGSs on side streets were patched). In the case of signing I-11, NDOT simultaneously commissioned a wide-scale BGS replacement project involving both on freeway and side street signage. If they were going through all that trouble to redesign the vast majority of existing signs, they could have easily done the work to figure out the new exit numbers and incorporate that into the new signs... Now they're probably going to end up patching a bunch of exit tabs in five or so years...


I've discussed the I-515/US-95 nomenclature issue on this board before. I *think* I-11 will gain more traction in local parlance eventually, since the number extends both sides of the Spaghetti Bowl like US 95 does (and I-515 never did). But, as someone who grew up in Vegas (with US 95 being a few minutes from my house and being old enough to remember a time when I-515 shields did not exist), you can count me as one who acknowledges I-11 but likely will still call it US 95 in casual conversation with the non-roadgeek.

[Scott5114]

I could've seen it going differently in the I-11 case. For the signing of I-580 in Reno, all NDOT did was replace US 395 shields with I-580 & US 395 shields. I think exactly one overhead sign on the freeway itself was changed (most BGSs on side streets were patched). In the case of signing I-11, NDOT simultaneously commissioned a wide-scale BGS replacement project involving both on freeway and side street signage. If they were going through all that trouble to redesign the vast majority of existing signs, they could have easily done the work to figure out the new exit numbers and incorporate that into the new signs... Now they're probably going to end up patching a bunch of exit tabs in five or so years...

One quirk of the I-11 changeover is that was large enough NDOT actually let it out to a contractor to do. Jonathan tells me this is unusual for NDOT, who prefers to do the vast majority of sign work in-house. So it could simply be an issue of wanting to get the contractors to do the heavy lifting, and then they'll come along at some point and do the exit renumbering in-house.

[ElishaGOtis]

Well, I wouldn't expect them to call the highway "the 11" just yet.

Good lord, the interstate's not in California...It's I-11.

I've got bad news...

People have been saying "The" before the highway number in Phoenix and Las Vegas for some time.  It isn't 100% saturation but it isn't insignificant either.

Refugees from California . . .

Here in Wisconsin, we often normally just say the number (ie. "Ten", "Forty One" or "Four Forty One").

Mike

Or Highway ___ or Trunk ___. I will always refer to the Wisconsin state highways as Wis ___ and the county highways as Hwy ___.
It's funny though. Living in Illinois for over 45 years does have me call it Route ___ instead of Highway  or Ill.

I've heard people (including a few friends of mine   ) in Nashville, TN refer to I-440 and I-24 as "the 440" and "the 24" (as well as 40 and 65). I've never heard that until a couple years ago and I used to live there...

In Orlando, I-4 is never called "the 4" but SR-408 is almost universally known as "the 408" now.   What's even sillier is that I've occasionally heard Florida SR-4 called "the 4"... Yes, the SR-4 in the middle of nowhere panhandle.

It'll be interesting to see how people are getting used to the change in designation from US-95 to I-11 concurrently. Do any locals have any intel of the current situation now that it's been a bit? edit: question was already answered, completely missed this last page lol

[Scott5114]

It'll be interesting to see how people are getting used to the change in designation from US-95 to I-11 concurrently. Do any locals have any intel of the current situation now that it's been a bit? edit: question was already answered, completely missed this last page lol

I'll expand a bit on what I already put and say that there is a general awareness that I-11 and US-95 are synonymous. A typical interaction on r/vegaslocals will be "I-11 is backed up due to a wreck at Decatur." "Well actually you mean US-95, it'll always be US-95 to me!" "yeah and you also probably still bitch about the Dunes not being across the street from Caesars anymore, don't you, you moldy old has been" "Fuck you buddy my family moved here in 1932, go back to California" "haha dumbass CCSD grad" etc. etc.

My wife calls it the 11.