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I-69 in TX

Started by Grzrd, October 09, 2010, 01:18:12 PM

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From September, aerial drone footage of the under construction Corrigan bypass.



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Quote from: ITB on November 10, 2025, 11:51:57 PMFrom September, aerial drone footage of the under construction Corrigan bypass.

It's quite a bit further along than I thought.
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Alex

Looking at the Alliance for I-69 Texas Update newsletter from October 8, 2025, the Texas Transportation Commission voted in September to add an eight additional miles of IH 69 within Liberty County. The mileage extends north from the Montgomery County line to the north side of Cleveland. A ceremony unveiling the first I-69 sign in Liberty County is planned for tomorrow (November 13) at 3 PM.

From the Alliance for I-69 Texas home page:

QuoteThe event will be just west of the southbound I-69 frontage road at the intersection with SH 105 Connector which is a quarter mile south of the SH 105 Relief Route overpass.

Also found this announcement for the event on the Greater Cleveland Chamber of Commerce website.

roadman65

#2903
Why does Google shows the new US 59 bypass of Diboll as the "Diboll Relief Rte" instead of US 59?  Rhetorical of course. Google maps suck.

However they did already sign I-69 to the Cleveland Bypass opening today.


https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Si3MzaHU9gqMsvo6?g_st=ac
Speaking of Googlemaps,  this image is two years old, but the maps dont show the project completed. When will TexDOT finally complete this new alignment of Future I-69?
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Rick Powell

Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2025, 11:11:37 AMhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/5Si3MzaHU9gqMsvo6?g_st=ac
Speaking of Googlemaps,  this image is two years old, but the maps dont show the project completed. When will TexDOT finally complete this new alignment of Future I-69?

Last I saw, the finish date was re-set to fall of 2026.
https://lufkindailynews.com/news/dailysentinel/nacogdoches-loop-highway-59-project-still-nearly-two-years-from-finish-line/article_66e4d624-a5b5-56e1-a579-06c569c0e6c7.html

The section to the north is currently programmed for construction starting in 2029.
https://ftp.txdot.gov/pub/txdot/get-involved/lfk/us259/080323-factsheet.pdf

TheBox

Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2025, 11:11:37 AMWhy does Google shows the new US 59 bypass of Diboll as the "Diboll Relief Rte" instead of US 59?  Rhetorical of course. Google maps suck.

I mean anyone can edit and post their submissions, myself included
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

TheBox

Quote from: roadman65 on November 12, 2025, 11:11:37 AMWhy does Google shows the new US 59 bypass of Diboll as the "Diboll Relief Rte" instead of US 59?  Rhetorical of course. Google maps suck.

I mean anyone can edit and post their submissions, myself included
Wake me up when they upgrade US-290 between the state's largest city and growing capital into expressway standards if it interstate standards.

Giddings bypass, Elgin bypass, and Elgin-Manor freeway/tollway when?

Thegeet


MaxConcrete

TxDOT has scheduled a public meeting for the Odem bypass on December 4. Odem is just north of Corpus Christi.

I thought the east alignment was already the recommended alternative. But I was wrong. There is a west bypass alignment still being considered.

See the fact sheet with the two alignment alternatives.

Unfortunately construction is not imminent. The fact sheet says work starts in 2032.

Thegeet

Quote from: MaxConcrete on November 21, 2025, 07:51:28 PMTxDOT has scheduled a public meeting for the Odem bypass on December 4. Odem is just north of Corpus Christi.

I thought the east alignment was already the recommended alternative. But I was wrong. There is a west bypass alignment still being considered.

See the fact sheet with the two alignment alternatives.

Unfortunately construction is not imminent. The fact sheet says work starts in 2032.
I would've loved to see the Odem bypass just continue straight into the Sinton Bypass, rather than just redirecting back to US 77 at the end.

sprjus4

Quote from: MaxConcrete on November 21, 2025, 07:51:28 PMTxDOT has scheduled a public meeting for the Odem bypass on December 4. Odem is just north of Corpus Christi.

I thought the east alignment was already the recommended alternative. But I was wrong. There is a west bypass alignment still being considered.

See the fact sheet with the two alignment alternatives.

Unfortunately construction is not imminent. The fact sheet says work starts in 2032.
Is there a reason the eastern alternative swings so far out?

jgb191

Quote from: MaxConcrete on November 21, 2025, 07:51:28 PMTxDOT has scheduled a public meeting for the Odem bypass on December 4. Odem is just north of Corpus Christi.

I thought the east alignment was already the recommended alternative. But I was wrong. There is a west bypass alignment still being considered.

See the fact sheet with the two alignment alternatives.

Unfortunately construction is not imminent. The fact sheet says work starts in 2032.


I suspect this is lower on the priority list than Odem and Woodsboro/Refugio bypasses but any idea when the Sinton bypass construction project might be happening?  I've been hearing it on the local news that's "still years away."

As for Odem I think the bypass should stay within a mile of the original highway 77.
We're so far south that we're not even considered "The South"

Bobby5280

It sure seems like they're building the segment of I-69 between Houston and Corpus Christi in a pretty linear fashion. Most of the active construction work is near Houston (in Hungerford and Wharton) and progressing in a Southwest-ward direction.

I think lawmakers are still trying to secure funding for the I-69 from Wharton to El Campo. It looks like the segments going thru Hillje, Louise, Ganado and Edna would be pretty easy to upgrade in place. It's just a matter of getting construction funded. Same goes for all the work needed in Victoria.

jgb191

Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 24, 2025, 12:18:00 PMIt looks like the segments going thru Hillje, Louise, Ganado and Edna would be pretty easy to upgrade in place.


I not sure if Edna even needs an upgrade, it's already looks to be interstate standards; the rest of those towns sure could use some work though.
We're so far south that we're not even considered "The South"

Rothman

Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 24, 2025, 12:18:00 PMIt sure seems like they're building the segment of I-69 between Houston and Corpus Christi in a pretty linear fashion. Most of the active construction work is near Houston (in Hungerford and Wharton) and progressing in a Southwest-ward direction.

I drove the length of it two weeks ago.  Seemed like work was happening all the way down the corridor within the work zone(s).
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Bobby5280

I'm just going by what I can see in Google Earth overhead imagery and Street View imagery. A lot of it is pretty recent imagery. Most of the Future I-69 work looks like it is concentrated in the Hungerford/Wharton area. Not much of anything is happening West of it. Some work is happening on US-77 in Victoria.

Quote from: jgb191I not sure if Edna even needs an upgrade, it's already looks to be interstate standards; the rest of those towns sure could use some work though.

In the town of Edna itself it looks like the freeway on/off ramps are substandard. Plus the inner left shoulders of the highway look inadequate. Then there's the question of how far they'll take the 3x3 lanes configuration of I-69 going Southwest out of Houston. The finished segments going into Wharton are 3x3. Will that continue into El Campo and even farther West or will it drop to 2x2 lanes at some point? Either way it's likely the existing pavement and ramps will all be re-built.

Thegeet

Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 25, 2025, 11:16:39 AMI'm just going by what I can see in Google Earth overhead imagery and Street View imagery. A lot of it is pretty recent imagery. Most of the Future I-69 work looks like it is concentrated in the Hungerford/Wharton area. Not much of anything is happening West of it. Some work is happening on US-77 in Victoria.

Quote from: jgb191I not sure if Edna even needs an upgrade, it's already looks to be interstate standards; the rest of those towns sure could use some work though.

In the town of Edna itself it looks like the freeway on/off ramps are substandard. Plus the inner left shoulders of the highway look inadequate. Then there's the question of how far they'll take the 3x3 lanes configuration of I-69 going Southwest out of Houston. The finished segments going into Wharton are 3x3. Will that continue into El Campo and even farther West or will it drop to 2x2 lanes at some point? Either way it's likely the existing pavement and ramps will all be re-built.

I believe TxDOT already has classified the Edna Bypass as up to Interstate Standards. Nevertheless, I expect a reconfiguration of the Frontage roads and ramps, similar to in Victoria near SH 185.

Also, from what I know, Jackson County has ZERO projects in the next 10 years. Wharton County is getting upgraded first.

Quote from: jgb191 on November 24, 2025, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: MaxConcrete on November 21, 2025, 07:51:28 PMTxDOT has scheduled a public meeting for the Odem bypass on December 4. Odem is just north of Corpus Christi.

I thought the east alignment was already the recommended alternative. But I was wrong. There is a west bypass alignment still being considered.

See the fact sheet with the two alignment alternatives.

Unfortunately construction is not imminent. The fact sheet says work starts in 2032.


I suspect this is lower on the priority list than Odem and Woodsboro/Refugio bypasses but any idea when the Sinton bypass construction project might be happening?  I've been hearing it on the local news that's "still years away."

As for Odem I think the bypass should stay within a mile of the original highway 77.

My educated guess is that Sinton would be worked on in 5 or 6 years.

On another topic, I-69E from Driscoll to I-37 has only 5 or 6 "I-69" shields visible, 3 on the SB lanes.

Henry

Quote from: Thegeet on October 20, 2025, 03:00:35 AMSmall update on I-69E Corpus Christi/Robstown: the old I-69 reassurance markets are being replaced with I-69E. Many of them have already been updated and only a few I-69 remain. Now I hope they install in Driscoll soon.
I always thought that I-69 was proposed to end in Laredo (where I-69W is) and not Brownsville/Harlingen, and the C and E branches wouldn't come until later. If that is true, then this is really confusing, since I-39, I-41 and I-43 would've been much better fits for the two corridors.
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Bobby5280

My memory is a bit foggy since it has been over 30 years since the idea of extending I-69 to Texas was hatched. But I'm pretty sure those three E-C-W branches have always been part of the concept.

The way the exits are numbered on I-69 through Houston indicate the main I-69 route will begin in Victoria where the E and W branches are proposed to meet.

Texas already has a lot of 2-digit Interstate routes as well as the potential to add more elsewhere in the state that it probably doesn't need even more applied to those I-69 suffix routes.

MaxConcrete

Quote from: Henry on November 25, 2025, 09:17:03 PMI always thought that I-69 was proposed to end in Laredo (where I-69W is) and not Brownsville/Harlingen, and the C and E branches wouldn't come until later. If that is true, then this is really confusing, since I-39, I-41 and I-43 would've been much better fits for the two corridors.

Actually, the I-69E corridor is the highest priority by a huge margin.

There are multiple projects in progress on I-69E (US 77), including the Riviera bypass. Completing I-69E to interstate standards between Corpus and Brownsville is the top priority on the entire I-69 system in Texas. TxDOT is actively preparing for major work in Refugio and Odem to eliminate the remaining traffic signals between Victoria and Corpus.

There is only one project in progress on I-69C (US 281), upgrading a section north of Edinburg. For I-69W, the only construction is in Laredo on the loop. Outside of Laredo, there is no construction or planning activity for I-69W.

From Houston southward, I think we can potentially see I-69 to Victoria and I-69E from Victoria to Brownsville complete by 2050. I-69C will take much longer, and will probably have 2x2 divided highway (non-freeway) sections indefinitely. I don't see I-69W getting fully built in the lifetime of anyone reading this. In fact, we'll probably just get a section near Laredo and maybe some bypasses.

Rick Powell

#2920
Quote from: MaxConcrete on November 25, 2025, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 25, 2025, 09:17:03 PMI always thought that I-69 was proposed to end in Laredo (where I-69W is) and not Brownsville/Harlingen, and the C and E branches wouldn't come until later. If that is true, then this is really confusing, since I-39, I-41 and I-43 would've been much better fits for the two corridors.

Actually, the I-69E corridor is the highest priority by a huge margin.

There are multiple projects in progress on I-69E (US 77), including the Riviera bypass. Completing I-69E to interstate standards between Corpus and Brownsville is the top priority on the entire I-69 system in Texas. TxDOT is actively preparing for major work in Refugio and Odem to eliminate the remaining traffic signals between Victoria and Corpus.

There is only one project in progress on I-69C (US 281), upgrading a section north of Edinburg. For I-69W, the only construction is in Laredo on the loop. Outside of Laredo, there is no construction or planning activity for I-69W.

From Houston southward, I think we can potentially see I-69 to Victoria and I-69E from Victoria to Brownsville complete by 2050. I-69C will take much longer, and will probably have 2x2 divided highway (non-freeway) sections indefinitely. I don't see I-69W getting fully built in the lifetime of anyone reading this. In fact, we'll probably just get a section near Laredo and maybe some bypasses.

This PDF is somewhat dated but gives a good indication of how the I-69 projects will be sequenced, by TxDOT district. There is very little planned in the Laredo district for I-69W except at the very southwestern end at Laredo. Also not much on the I-369 corridor between I-69 in Tenaha and I-30 in Texarkana which is mostly in the Atlanta district. The Lufkin district has a decent amount of work, mainly with small town bypasses like Corrigan, the recently completed Diboll, and the Nacogdoches west bypass. The Houston and Beaumont districts are basically done. The Yoakam district seems to be working its way west from the Houston district line and east from Victoria. Corpus Christi district has a ton of work, mostly on I-69E from Corpus Christi area to the south, the Odem, Sinton and Refugio bypasses, and a little work on the I-69C section. The Pharr district looks to have projects in place to complete both the I-69C and I-69E corridors in the district, with faster progress on the E section.

https://www.txdot.gov/content/dam/docs/division/tpp/i-69-system-in-texas/i-69-implementation-strategy-update-report.pdf

Rick Powell

Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 25, 2025, 10:19:11 PMMy memory is a bit foggy since it has been over 30 years since the idea of extending I-69 to Texas was hatched. But I'm pretty sure those three E-C-W branches have always been part of the concept.

From the AARoads Wiki: "The federal legislation designating the south Texas branches as I-69 suggested that these routes may be designated as "I-69E" (east, following US 77), "I-69C" (central, following US 281), and "I-69W" (west, following US 59). The AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering rejected the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT)'s request for these three designations along the proposed I-69 branches, citing that AASHTO policy no longer allows Interstate Highways to be signed as suffixed routes. Stating that the I-69E, I-69C, and I-69W designations for the three I-69 branches south of Victoria were written into federal law, the initial denial of TxDOT's applications were subsequently overturned by the AASHTO Standing Committee on Highways, and the approval for the I-69E, I-69C, and I-69W branch designations were confirmed by the AASHTO Board of Directors, pending concurrence from the FHWA during the AASHTO Spring Meeting on May 7, 2013."

Rothman

#2922
A glaring omission in this discussion is fiscal constraint.  The amount of construction going on right now on state infrastructure in Texas is absolutely staggering.  TxDOT is undertaking all sorts of freeway widenings, extensions and a whole host of rural bridge and culvert replacements.

Be careful not to confuse lack of project programming with lack of priority or even inattention, when the reality may be just not enough billions to go around.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Rick Powell

#2923
Quote from: Rothman on November 26, 2025, 06:58:52 AMA glaring omission in this discussion is fiscal constraint.  The amount of construction going on right now on state infrastructure in Texas is absolutely staggering.  TxDOT is undertaking all sorts of freeway widenings, extensions and a whole host of rural bridge and culvert replacements.

Be careful not to confuse lack of project programming with lack of priorty or even inattention, when the reality may be just not enough billions to go around.

True, and we are seeing long-time sections of I-69 (such as in Houston) with big-budget projects to maintain and improve what is already there, that otherwise might have gone to completion of the yet-to-be-done sections. This will be an ongoing concern, as with all projects that stretch out over several decades. As you say, I-69 is a big priority, but it is not the only one in the state by a long shot. I still think I-69 (from the south end of I-69E to Tenaha, possibly including I-69C, but excluding I-69W and I-369) will be substantially complete in TX at some point, maybe the end of the century.

bwana39

Quote from: Rick Powell on November 26, 2025, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: Rothman on November 26, 2025, 06:58:52 AMA glaring omission in this discussion is fiscal constraint.  The amount of construction going on right now on state infrastructure in Texas is absolutely staggering.  TxDOT is undertaking all sorts of freeway widenings, extensions and a whole host of rural bridge and culvert replacements.

Be careful not to confuse lack of project programming with lack of priorty or even inattention, when the reality may be just not enough billions to go around.

True, and we are seeing long-time sections of I-69 (such as in Houston) with big-budget projects to maintain and improve what is already there, that otherwise might have gone to completion of the yet-to-be-done sections. This will be an ongoing concern, as with all projects that stretch out over several decades. As you say, I-69 is a big priority, but it is not the only one in the state by a long shot. I still think I-69 (from the south end of I-69E to Tenaha, possibly including I-69C, but excluding I-69W and I-369) will be substantially complete in TX at some point, maybe the end of the century.

I would agree with you but..... The Atlanta TxDOT district will probably ramp up I-369 after the upgrades to I-30 around Texarkana are finished. While I believe that I-69 from Panola County tx to metr memphis is a win for the US transportation grid, it has no value for Louisiana beyond Shreveport (and Baton Rouge would not really prioritize even that). In Arkansas, it is being used as a guise to improve current the regional roads around Southeast Arkansas.
Mississippi will likely have a better road along the route than either one of the other two by 2035.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.