New Minnesota Flag

[Scott5114]

The flag of Miami appears to just be the flag of India with a seal pasted on. Not a good flag.

[kphoger]

Here is some more perspective from JJ McCullough.  His main point seems to be this:  in the name of eradicating humdrum same-looking flags, but through dogmatic adherence to an arbitrary set of good-flag-making rules, we are instead ending up with differently same-looking flags—and not only is that not actually a real improvement, but in fact disallowing bizarre and quirky flag designs effectively funnels the chosen designs into being stale and un-unique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtUiORUh7c

[kkt]

What was your feeling on the old Libyan flag?

A little too far in my opinion—but still better than the Austrian battle flag, which is a white eagle on a white background with a white border.

Joke, right?  Not seeing an all-white flag on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austrian_flags, and there are many eagles but they're pretty much all black.

[kphoger]

still better than the Austrian battle flag, which is a white eagle on a white background with a white border.

Joke, right?  Not seeing an all-white flag on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austrian_flags, and there are many eagles but they're pretty much all black.

Right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag#Contemporary_use

[kkt]

still better than the Austrian battle flag, which is a white eagle on a white background with a white border.

Joke, right?  Not seeing an all-white flag on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austrian_flags, and there are many eagles but they're pretty much all black.

Right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flag#Contemporary_use

Yes, although note that all white flags have had uses other than parley or surrender in the past:  old regime France.

[formulanone]

The flag of Miami appears to just be the flag of India with a seal pasted on. Not a good flag.

No lie, I used to do double-takes when I'd see the City of Miami flag. The colors are shared with University of Miami, and New Delhi is nearly at the same latitude, but culturally there's close to zero overlap between the two. We grow oranges, and there's lots of green...and just went with that.

Didn't Liechtenstein and Haiti have the same flag for many years? There's only so much choice with two-bar and tri-bar/color designs, so it's entirely possible to be unaware of your choice for years before the advent of encyclopedia salesmen.

[Molandfreak]

The grandstanding that has been done to "preserve" the old flag has officially ruined it. I was willing to say fine if a public institution wanted to fly both flags for historical interests, but no longer outside a very narrow context.

The old flag is now 100% politically charged, and I didn't even mind it when it was officially around. Thanks assholes.

[LilianaUwU]

The grandstanding that has been done to "preserve" the old flag has officially ruined it. I was willing to say fine if a public institution wanted to fly both flags for historical interests, but no longer outside a very narrow context.

The old flag is now 100% politically charged, and I didn't even mind it when it was officially around. Thanks assholes.

We can no longer have nice things because the worst people you know will take it as theirs.

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't think that I've ever particularly paid attention to state flag designs.  What exactly is the controversy that warranted to reviving this thread after over two years?

[Molandfreak]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

[Max Rockatansky]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

[kkt]

Meh.  I'm not in love with the new one, but at least it doesn't look like two dozen other states'.

[mgk920]

At least the Illinois legislature said "f*** it!" and decided to keep their existing one.

Mike

[on_wisconsin]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or some such tosh.

[Max Rockatansky]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

[on_wisconsin]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

More or less... Especially since Walz announced he wasn't running again, conservative leaning towns have declared open season on putting up the old flag and such.

[Max Rockatansky]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

More or less... Especially since Walz announced he wasn't running again, conservative leaning towns have declared open season on putting up the old flag and such.

And I'm gathering the new flag was something promoted by Walz's administration?

[on_wisconsin]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

More or less... Especially since Walz announced he wasn't running again, conservative leaning towns have declared open season on putting up the old flag and such.

And I'm gathering the new flag was something promoted by Walz's administration?

Essentially yes. The old flag, aside from being generic af, features the old seal. Which depicted a Native American individual riding off into the sunset while a European farmer works their newly "acquired" field. The legislation that allowed for the new flag and seal was signed by Walz several years ago. Never underestimate the passive-aggressive pettiness of rural and exurban upper midwesterners...

[Max Rockatansky]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

More or less... Especially since Walz announced he wasn't running again, conservative leaning towns have declared open season on putting up the old flag and such.

And I'm gathering the new flag was something promoted by Walz's administration?

Essentially yes. The old flag, aside from being generic af, features the old seal. Which depicted a Native American individual riding off into the sunset while a European farmer works their newly "acquired" field. The legislation that allowed for the new flag and seal was signed by Walz several years ago. Never underestimate the passive-aggressive pettiness of rural and exurban upper midwesterners...

Really isn't the case often in all states where there is a pretty wide disconnect between urban and rural areas?  We have people in northern California who are still hardliners for the state Jefferson movement. 

I guess what's fascinating to me being so far removed from my Midwest years is seeing this phenomenon in Minnesota.  I had (probably still have) a lot of family in the rural parts of the state.  Most of them came from farming or blue collar backgrounds.  It never really hit me how left leaning Minnesota is until recent years. 

[on_wisconsin]

Because it's become an issue worthy of revisiting for some reason, even as the new flag has become a cultural icon that the old flag just never was.

Has it?  There hasn't been really anything in the past two years posted on forum to suggest one way or another.  A little background history might help me at least understand because I'm not finding much online aside from local authorities electing to keep the older flag.

Sticking it to Walz and the big bad "liberal" Twin Cities and its "DEI culture"... or something such tosh.

Is that actually the reason?  That's an honest question.  I feel like so much since this thread has revived relies upon having preexisting intimate knowledge of the Minnesota state flag debate.

More or less... Especially since Walz announced he wasn't running again, conservative leaning towns have declared open season on putting up the old flag and such.

And I'm gathering the new flag was something promoted by Walz's administration?

Essentially yes. The old flag, aside from being generic af, features the old seal. Which depicted a Native American individual riding off into the sunset while a European farmer works their newly "acquired" field. The legislation that allowed for the new flag and seal was signed by Walz several years ago. Never underestimate the passive-aggressive pettiness of rural and exurban upper midwesterners...

Really isn't the case often in all states where there is a pretty wide disconnect between urban and rural areas?  We have people in northern California who are still hardliners for the state Jefferson movement. 

I guess what's fascinating to me being so far removed from my Midwest years is seeing this phenomenon in Minnesota.  I had (probably still have) a lot of family in the rural parts of the state.  Most of them came from farming or blue collar backgrounds.  It never really hit me how left leaning Minnesota is until recent years. 

The divide traditionally has been more about typical crime related stuff than the middle school level petty "revenge" nonsense, which seems (IMHO) to have only become this blatant after George Floyd and the 2020 election cycle.

[mgk920]

I'm still considering the state seal on the dark blue sheet to be their real flag.  Maybe they should just remove ALL symbolisms and background color from it.

Mike

[7/8]

I'm still considering the state seal on the dark blue sheet to be their real flag.

Why?

Maybe they should just remove ALL symbolisms and background color from it.

How do you remove a background colour from a flag?

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I'm still considering the state seal on the dark blue sheet to be their real flag.

Mike

Seeing as you don't even live here, what's your stake in it? What if I decided Wisconsin's flag is just a white sheet with a poop emoji on it? That's no less valid than your view, as neither are official state flags.

[Molandfreak]

There is a considerable amount of merchandise featuring the new flag design that just wasn't there with the old seal on a bedsheet. The state parks and historic sites sell stickers modeled after the new flag, while the amount of merchandise featuring the old seal/flag was very few and far between, owing to the fact that it was a generic design not easily distinguishable from around half the states. That speaks to the success of the rebrand far more than anything those promoting the use of the old flag ever will.

And yes, mods, saying that the new flag looks like a "foreign" flag is a racist dog whistle. The new flag was even adapted from its original design to appear less like a Somali regional flag.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm starting to think that you might be taking this topic a little too seriously...