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Started by mightyace, February 16, 2009, 05:29:14 PM

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roadman65

I saw that next weekend is the next annual TOLL increase.  However articles are making it out to be shocking despite state law allows it from now on.

Not surprised, but glad I got most of my clinched done thirty years ago. Still need the Susquehanna Bridge and West of New Stanton, but can't have everything.
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Beltway

Quote from: roadman65 on January 01, 2026, 11:09:10 AMNot surprised, but glad I got most of my clinched done thirty years ago. Still need the Susquehanna Bridge and West of New Stanton, but can't have everything.
I covered all of it between 1972 and 1986, east-west and NE Ext. In the last 5 years all the widening around Harrisburg and east of Valley Forge and on the NE Ext.

A couple years ago all the open extensions except PA-66.
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Plutonic Panda


zzcarp

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 28, 2026, 03:33:35 PMRebuild and widening from MP 320-324 in Chester County to begin and finish by summer 2031:

https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/pa-turnpike-starts-total-reconstruction-work-in-chester-county/70147

It seems wild that this project will take 5 years. That's 15 months per mile.
So many miles and so many roads

MASTERNC

Quote from: zzcarp on January 28, 2026, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 28, 2026, 03:33:35 PMRebuild and widening from MP 320-324 in Chester County to begin and finish by summer 2031:

https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/pa-turnpike-starts-total-reconstruction-work-in-chester-county/70147

It seems wild that this project will take 5 years. That's 15 months per mile.

That area is more populous (similar to the 324-326 project) and borders Valley Forge Historical Park.  I used to live half a mile from that stretch of Turnpike and there were houses that backed right up to the road.

storm2k

Speaking of the 324-326 widening, it's weird to me that on the new pullthru signs at 326 going EB, they put the yellow "Toll" banners with the 276 shield. There are matching toll banners on the WB pullthru signs as well. That seems like an improper application of the MUTCD rules as you're already on the toll road and at these points, you've already paid a toll!

(We won't even talk about why they continue to sign Valley Forge as a destination at this exit when King of Prussia would be the much more prevalent destination to sign for, but that's another argument for another day.)

Bitmapped

Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2026, 12:36:54 PMSpeaking of the 324-326 widening, it's weird to me that on the new pullthru signs at 326 going EB, they put the yellow "Toll" banners with the 276 shield. There are matching toll banners on the WB pullthru signs as well. That seems like an improper application of the MUTCD rules as you're already on the toll road and at these points, you've already paid a toll!

You continue having to pay tolls if you take I-276. It's reasonable to continue with the Toll banner.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: Bitmapped on January 29, 2026, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2026, 12:36:54 PMSpeaking of the 324-326 widening, it's weird to me that on the new pullthru signs at 326 going EB, they put the yellow "Toll" banners with the 276 shield. There are matching toll banners on the WB pullthru signs as well. That seems like an improper application of the MUTCD rules as you're already on the toll road and at these points, you've already paid a toll!

You continue having to pay tolls if you take I-276. It's reasonable to continue with the Toll banner.

I'm OK with it as well.  You're on the toll road, but the route number changes.  I think it's reasonable to inform people following "I-276" (as opposed to following "The Pennsylvania Turnpike") that they will be paying a toll to use I-276.

Roadsguy

Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2026, 12:36:54 PMSpeaking of the 324-326 widening, it's weird to me that on the new pullthru signs at 326 going EB, they put the yellow "Toll" banners with the 276 shield. There are matching toll banners on the WB pullthru signs as well. That seems like an improper application of the MUTCD rules as you're already on the toll road and at these points, you've already paid a toll!

(We won't even talk about why they continue to sign Valley Forge as a destination at this exit when King of Prussia would be the much more prevalent destination to sign for, but that's another argument for another day.)

Worse, they seem to be replacing Philadelphia with Valley Forge as the eastbound control city from Harrisburg, if the new signage from PA 72 is any indication.
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

wildcat7176

Quote from: Roadsguy on February 09, 2026, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2026, 12:36:54 PMSpeaking of the 324-326 widening, it's weird to me that on the new pullthru signs at 326 going EB, they put the yellow "Toll" banners with the 276 shield. There are matching toll banners on the WB pullthru signs as well. That seems like an improper application of the MUTCD rules as you're already on the toll road and at these points, you've already paid a toll!

(We won't even talk about why they continue to sign Valley Forge as a destination at this exit when King of Prussia would be the much more prevalent destination to sign for, but that's another argument for another day.)

Worse, they seem to be replacing Philadelphia with Valley Forge as the eastbound control city from Harrisburg, if the new signage from PA 72 is any indication.
I know they had redid the signage at the PA 72 interchange recently because a truck hit one of the signs, and they noticeably omitted the interchange name at the top of the new sign, so I wondered if we were going to see interchange names being gradually phased out on physical signage in the future.

Signing Valley Forge over Philadelphia that far west is just ridiculous. What's next, they'll replace Pittsburgh with Monroeville on signage west of Harrisburg? It seems like the control city signage is taking the precedence of the numbered route over the turnpike itself. I personally always thought that if they aren't going to put I-76 all the way to Atlantic City, then just run it on the turnpike all the way until the Bristol Interchange, then run 276 on the Schuylkill Expressway, similar to how Pittsburgh works with 76 and 376.

Beltway

Valley Forge is where I-76 splits from the Turnpike, I-76 to Phila., and the Turnpike to central NJ. Plus some Turnpike users would use the NE Extension, and they would pass Valley Forge and not Phila.

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storm2k

Upon thinking about it, my thought is that if they ever finish the 95 missing moves, they may consider taking 276EB to 95SB as the "main" route to Philly, and collect the extra tolls that brings in as well. 95SB coming off the DRB already signs for Philadelphia, so they may want it to go like that both ways.

ARMOURERERIC

On 5/20 the PTC will open bids for widening and reconstruction on mainline MP 353.5 to 355.

Crown Victoria

The Delaware River Turnpike Toll Bridge replacement project has received $600 million from the federal government.

Completion expected sometime in the 2030s.

https://levittownnow.com/2026/03/30/delaware-river-bridge-project-secures-600-million-in-federal-funding/

ARMOURERERIC

Honestly not crazy about a toll facility getting a fed grant, unless it's going toll free upon completion,  if not, I think a 0% interest loan would have been more appropriate.

chays


The Ghostbuster

It certainly looks that way. It's about time more of the ramps were constructed.

Beltway

Quote from: chays on April 09, 2026, 09:26:47 AMSorry if this has been asked before, but can't find the information.
Is a new ramp being built from the Turnpike EB to I-95 SB? Aerial imagery hints at it and GSV shows what appears to be a ramp's earthwork being worked on.
According to this, in design.
https://www.paturnpike.com/traveling/construction/site/i-95-interchange-project/design-construction-details/section-d40
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Beltway

#3343
Past topic/query somewhere backstream --

Explanation for why PA TPK advance projects for overpass replacements are built before the mainline widening project is let. Here is what I determined.

PTC builds the overpasses first because the Turnpike's 1940s geometry leaves no room to stage a widening project under the existing bridges. The R/W is narrow, the median is narrow, the shoulders are minimal, and many (not all) structures sit too low or too close to the travel lanes to carry traffic safely during reconstruction. Until those bridges are replaced with longer, higher, six‑lane‑compatible structures, the mainline contractor has nowhere to put traffic.

The overpasses are also the highest‑risk items in the schedule. They involve utilities, right‑of‑way, environmental clearances, and local detours -- all of which can delay a project by months or years. By clearing those risks in advance, PTC prevents a single bridge from holding up a $300-$500 million mainline contract.

Once the bridges are rebuilt to the six‑lane footprint, the mainline widening can be let as a single, continuous contract without waiting on utility relocations, detour approvals, or local road closures.

In short: the Turnpike's narrow corridor makes the system brittle. Replacing the overhead structures first removes the physical constraints and the schedule risks so the mainline widening can proceed without interruption.

Building  new parallel 3-lane roadway could provide a 60 to 100 foot median and avoid the above problem, but that would be more expensive and that is not the design chosen by PTC.  The design has a 26 foot wide paved median with a concrete median barrier that looks at least 42 inches high.
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Mr_Northside

Quote from: Beltway on April 16, 2026, 01:10:21 PMPast topic/query somewhere backstream --

Also, doing them in advance means they won't all be done at the same time - There are some areas where you wouldn't want 2 overpasses that close to each other both out of service for replacement at the same time, as it would strain the local roads too much.

That said, budget tightening has slowed down the actual reconstruction projects to the point where many overpasses have needed replacing just due to age (obviously with structures to accommodate eventual reconstruction/widening)- For instance, all the overpasses have been replaced (some for a handful of years now) between the Monroeville & Allegheny Valley interchanges - but based on checking the PTC website this afternoon, the actual reconstruction/widening (split into 2 projects) isn't due to *start* construction until 2032 for one section, and 2035 for the other.
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Beltway

Quote from: Mr_Northside on April 16, 2026, 03:57:31 PMAlso, doing them in advance means they won't all be done at the same time - There are some areas where you wouldn't want 2 overpasses that close to each other both out of service for replacement at the same time, as it would strain the local roads too much.
Yes they would have to be staged if that happened. I have seen new PA TPK bridges placed well in advance of the main widening project.

So if they needed two years for example, they would start that project far enough in advance so that all will be ready for the main widening project.
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storm2k

Quote from: Beltway on April 16, 2026, 01:10:21 PMPast topic/query somewhere backstream --

Explanation for why PA TPK advance projects for overpass replacements are built before the mainline widening project is let. Here is what I determined.

PTC builds the overpasses first because the Turnpike's 1940s geometry leaves no room to stage a widening project under the existing bridges. The R/W is narrow, the median is narrow, the shoulders are minimal, and many (not all) structures sit too low or too close to the travel lanes to carry traffic safely during reconstruction. Until those bridges are replaced with longer, higher, six‑lane‑compatible structures, the mainline contractor has nowhere to put traffic.

The overpasses are also the highest‑risk items in the schedule. They involve utilities, right‑of‑way, environmental clearances, and local detours -- all of which can delay a project by months or years. By clearing those risks in advance, PTC prevents a single bridge from holding up a $300-$500 million mainline contract.

Once the bridges are rebuilt to the six‑lane footprint, the mainline widening can be let as a single, continuous contract without waiting on utility relocations, detour approvals, or local road closures.

In short: the Turnpike's narrow corridor makes the system brittle. Replacing the overhead structures first removes the physical constraints and the schedule risks so the mainline widening can proceed without interruption.

Building  new parallel 3-lane roadway could provide a 60 to 100 foot median and avoid the above problem, but that would be more expensive and that is not the design chosen by PTC.  The design has a 26 foot wide paved median with a concrete median barrier that looks at least 42 inches high.

You'll see some older bridges where they kind of wedged in a third lane tightly under an existing overpass where they could. There's not a ton of them where they can do that. So they have to rebuild with the wider footprint underneath to fit the third lane, and the shoulders. It's the better way to do it.

Beltway

#3347
Quote from: storm2k on April 19, 2026, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 16, 2026, 01:10:21 PMExplanation for why PA TPK advance projects for overpass replacements are built before the mainline widening project is let. Here is what I determined.
You'll see some older bridges where they kind of wedged in a third lane tightly under an existing overpass where they could. There's not a ton of them where they can do that. So they have to rebuild with the wider footprint underneath to fit the third lane, and the shoulders. It's the better way to do it.
That was on the Six Lane Widening Project -- the first on the turnpike -- Norristown to Philadelphia interchanges, 18 miles, completed 1988. About 10 overpasses and they simply squeezed the 3-lane roadway thru there with minimal shoulders.

That was not built to the Total Reconstruction standards used about 2010 and forward.

Actually Valley Forge to Norristown as well -- 6 miles -- widening completed 2008, same problem there.

Standards from the 1970s used by other states would replace the overpass rather than do that. Which the Total Reconstruction projects have done.

I would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.
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MASTERNC

Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2026, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: storm2k on April 19, 2026, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 16, 2026, 01:10:21 PMExplanation for why PA TPK advance projects for overpass replacements are built before the mainline widening project is let. Here is what I determined.
You'll see some older bridges where they kind of wedged in a third lane tightly under an existing overpass where they could. There's not a ton of them where they can do that. So they have to rebuild with the wider footprint underneath to fit the third lane, and the shoulders. It's the better way to do it.
That was on the Six Lane Widening Project -- the first on the turnpike -- Norristown to Philadelphia interchanges, 18 miles, completed 1988. About 10 overpasses and they simply squeezed the 3-lane roadway thru there with minimal shoulders.

That was not built to the Total Reconstruction standards used about 2010 and forward.

Actually Valley Forge to Norristown as well -- 6 miles -- widening completed 2008, same problem there.

Standards from the 1970s used by other states would replace the overpass rather than do that. Which the Total Reconstruction projects have done.

I would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.

At least the Valley Forge to Norristown segment generally has the wide shoulders.  There are a couple of old bridges remaining - one is scheduled for replacement alongside the Lafayette Street interchange.

The sections that really weren't done up to current standards are out west around the Donegal interchange and east of Somerset.  The latter really needs the third lane in both directions but is likely at the back of the line behind the rest of the four lane sections yet to be done.

Crown Victoria

Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2026, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: storm2k on April 19, 2026, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 16, 2026, 01:10:21 PMExplanation for why PA TPK advance projects for overpass replacements are built before the mainline widening project is let. Here is what I determined.
You'll see some older bridges where they kind of wedged in a third lane tightly under an existing overpass where they could. There's not a ton of them where they can do that. So they have to rebuild with the wider footprint underneath to fit the third lane, and the shoulders. It's the better way to do it.
That was on the Six Lane Widening Project -- the first on the turnpike -- Norristown to Philadelphia interchanges, 18 miles, completed 1988. About 10 overpasses and they simply squeezed the 3-lane roadway thru there with minimal shoulders.

That was not built to the Total Reconstruction standards used about 2010 and forward.

Actually Valley Forge to Norristown as well -- 6 miles -- widening completed 2008, same problem there.

Standards from the 1970s used by other states would replace the overpass rather than do that. Which the Total Reconstruction projects have done.

I would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.

Looks like the Buck Rd. overpass (approx. MP 348.2) is scheduled for replacement over the next few years. Maybe the new bridge will accommodate an eight-lane Turnpike, but we shall see...

I do remember seeing documentation years ago, I believe from Montgomery County, that envisioned an 8-lane Turnpike from Fort Washington to Bensalem, and ten lanes from Mid-County to Fort Washington, along with new and/or improved interchanges.