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Rothman

Quote from: NE2 on April 26, 2026, 04:02:18 PMThis tiny piece of roundabout carries both northbound and southbound US 15.

Really?  I'd imagine 15 SB would exit where the existing road heads off to the east?
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.


1995hoo

Quote from: Rothman on April 26, 2026, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 26, 2026, 04:02:18 PMThis tiny piece of roundabout carries both northbound and southbound US 15.

Really?  I'd imagine 15 SB would exit where the existing road heads off to the east?

Look at it in map view. NE2 is correct. If you're coming southbound and you want to continue south on Route 15, you take the third exit from the roundabout. Northbound traffic overlaps with that movement for one-quarter of the way around. For southbound traffic, instead of turning left onto what is similar to a loop ramp, you go around the roundabout.

Remember there are two Route 15s there—the business route and the bypass. NE2 is referring to traffic going to or from the bypass.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Rothman

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 26, 2026, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: Rothman on April 26, 2026, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 26, 2026, 04:02:18 PMThis tiny piece of roundabout carries both northbound and southbound US 15.

Really?  I'd imagine 15 SB would exit where the existing road heads off to the east?

Look at it in map view. NE2 is correct. If you're coming southbound and you want to continue south on Route 15, you take the third exit from the roundabout. Northbound traffic overlaps with that movement for one-quarter of the way around. For southbound traffic, instead of turning left onto what is similar to a loop ramp, you go around the roundabout.

Remember there are two Route 15s there—the business route and the bypass. NE2 is referring to traffic going to or from the bypass.

Ah, I see now.  I thought there was a connection to 360 freeway SB to the east.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

1995hoo

I had to look at the map to understand because there was no roundabout there the last time I passed through that area.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

WillWeaverRVA

After getting VDOT to fix a long, LONG-running error on its map - "21th Street" in downtown Richmond - I found a bunch more errors on VDOT's latest transportation map that they are going to fix. They include the following:

Downtown Norfolk inset: ALT 334 should be ALT 337

Fredericksburg inset: Route 212 between Falmouth and Chatham should be Route 218

Charlottesville inset: Route 302 missing from the University of Virginia

Northern Virginia inset: Route 213 missing from Manassas Drive in Manassas Park. Route 294 and Route 234 intersection is now an interchange and should have a square.

Downtown Richmond: Route 353 missing from Duval Street near VCU, Route 318 missing from Bank Street, Governor Street is missing between Broad Street and Bank Street. Franklin Street is on the wrong side of 14th (west of 14th is Bank Street, east of 14th is Franklin Street). Franklin Street is shown as being continuous underneath I-95 when there's a gap between 15th and 17th.

Hampton Roads and Tidewater: Route 167 is shown on Chesapeake Avenue but this hasn't had a number since the early 2000s. Magruder Blvd is now Neil Armstrong Pkwy. Indian River Road in Chesapeake is Route 407.

Bristol inset: Route 11 should be Route 11W west of Route 381 (the icon says US 11/421, should be US 11W/421).

Norton & Wise inset: Hurricane Rd is spelled "Hurricance Rd"
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

74/171FAN

Only comment I have is that I do not think that VA 407 enters Chesapeake.
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Mapmikey

Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2026, 03:40:04 PMOnly comment I have is that I do not think that VA 407 enters Chesapeake.

407 is mostly in Chesapeake...it no longer enters Virginia Beach.

Is the US 421 reroute in Bristol from 2011 finally going to be shown?

74/171FAN

Quote from: Mapmikey on April 27, 2026, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2026, 03:40:04 PMOnly comment I have is that I do not think that VA 407 enters Chesapeake.

407 is mostly in Chesapeake...it no longer enters Virginia Beach.

My brain was thinking that Indian River Road went straight from Norfolk into Virginia Beach.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Mapmikey on April 27, 2026, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2026, 03:40:04 PMOnly comment I have is that I do not think that VA 407 enters Chesapeake.

407 is mostly in Chesapeake...it no longer enters Virginia Beach.

Is the US 421 reroute in Bristol from 2011 finally going to be shown?

Crap, I forgot about that and I even mentioned 421. The 2026 map has 421 running from I-81/US 58 to State Street and Euclid Avenue, then has 421 on BOTH State and Euclid to Commonwealth to a bunch of city streets with US 11/19 Truck, so not only is the reroute not shown but 421 is shown going two different wrong ways simultaneously.
Will Weaver
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

Beltway

Who did you send it to? I got them to fix about 20 errors about 15 years ago, and least nearly all got fixed within a couple years. I knew who to send it to.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Beltway on April 27, 2026, 09:30:43 PMWho did you send it to? I got them to fix about 20 errors about 15 years ago, and least nearly all got fixed within a couple years. I knew who to send it to.

I got in touch with VDOT's social media manager (social at vdot dot virginia dot gov) and she passed it along to the cartography team. The 21th Street error in Richmond was corrected online in about a week and was also corrected in the first print run of the 2026 map.

I was told that the errors I pointed out in my second email will likely be corrected for the 2026 map's next print run.
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Mapmikey on April 27, 2026, 05:29:16 PM407 is mostly in Chesapeake...it no longer enters Virginia Beach.

As an aside, apparently VDOT forgot about that when they went into Virginia Beach to rebuild the Indian River Road/Kempsville Road intersection back in 2021.
Will Weaver
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

Beltway

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 28, 2026, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 27, 2026, 09:30:43 PMWho did you send it to? I got them to fix about 20 errors about 15 years ago, and least nearly all got fixed within a couple years. I knew who to send it to.
I got in touch with VDOT's social media manager (social at vdot dot virginia dot gov) and she passed it along to the cartography team. The 21th Street error in Richmond was corrected online in about a week and was also corrected in the first print run of the 2026 map.
I was told that the errors I pointed out in my second email will likely be corrected for the 2026 map's next print run.
Good process, that works. I knew the person who was in charge of the state map, so I sent it to him. He has since retired.
Baloney is a reserved word on the Internet
    (Robert Coté, 2002)

Great Lakes Roads

https://www.aol.com/news/chesapeake-expressway-toll-rates-increase-184646311.html

The Chesapeake Expressway toll rates are going up starting on May 1st.

$4 on the weekday, but it jumps up to $10 on the weekends!
-Jay Seaburg

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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 30, 2026, 09:06:27 PMhttps://www.aol.com/news/chesapeake-expressway-toll-rates-increase-184646311.html

The Chesapeake Expressway toll rates are going up starting on May 1st.

$4 on the weekday, but it jumps up to $10 on the weekends!

Battlefield Boulevard's about to become a traffic nightmare.
Will Weaver
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

MASTERNC

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 30, 2026, 09:06:27 PMhttps://www.aol.com/news/chesapeake-expressway-toll-rates-increase-184646311.html

The Chesapeake Expressway toll rates are going up starting on May 1st.

$4 on the weekday, but it jumps up to $10 on the weekends!

Delaware charges $12 to traverse its toll road on weekends down to the beaches, but that is over two toll plazas and not one.

For $70, you can get the discount program here and start saving after 5 round trips.  Still, that's a huge outlay for frequent beachgoers.

sprjus4

Quote from: MASTERNC on May 01, 2026, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 30, 2026, 09:06:27 PMhttps://www.aol.com/news/chesapeake-expressway-toll-rates-increase-184646311.html

The Chesapeake Expressway toll rates are going up starting on May 1st.

$4 on the weekday, but it jumps up to $10 on the weekends!

Delaware charges $12 to traverse its toll road on weekends down to the beaches, but that is over two toll plazas and not one.

For $70, you can get the discount program here and start saving after 5 round trips.  Still, that's a huge outlay for frequent beachgoers.
The difference is the Chesapeake Expressway toll portion is only 6 miles.

I don't think it'll make much of a difference... I can't imagine too many people already paying $9 are now going to raise their eyes at $10.

Anyone who thinks $10 is ridiculous also thinks $9 is ridiculous and is already taking Battlefield Blvd.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: sprjus4 on May 01, 2026, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on May 01, 2026, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on April 30, 2026, 09:06:27 PMhttps://www.aol.com/news/chesapeake-expressway-toll-rates-increase-184646311.html

The Chesapeake Expressway toll rates are going up starting on May 1st.

$4 on the weekday, but it jumps up to $10 on the weekends!

Delaware charges $12 to traverse its toll road on weekends down to the beaches, but that is over two toll plazas and not one.

For $70, you can get the discount program here and start saving after 5 round trips.  Still, that's a huge outlay for frequent beachgoers.
The difference is the Chesapeake Expressway toll portion is only 6 miles.

I don't think it'll make much of a difference... I can't imagine too many people already paying $9 are now going to raise their eyes at $10.

Anyone who thinks $10 is ridiculous also thinks $9 is ridiculous and is already taking Battlefield Blvd.

Yup. This isn't a Route 895 situation where you might have people using that route frequently (although 895 is also ridiculously freaking expensive for what it is), most people going that way are taking maybe one or two round trips a year, and I guarantee those people are already using Battlefield Blvd or Centerville Turnpike.
Will Weaver
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"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

Beltway

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 01, 2026, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 01, 2026, 01:34:19 PMThe difference is the Chesapeake Expressway toll portion is only 6 miles.
I don't think it'll make much of a difference... I can't imagine too many people already paying $9 are now going to raise their eyes at $10. Anyone who thinks $10 is ridiculous also thinks $9 is ridiculous and is already taking Battlefield Blvd.
Yup. This isn't a Route 895 situation where you might have people using that route frequently (although 895 is also ridiculously freaking expensive for what it is), most people going that way are taking maybe one or two round trips a year, and I guarantee those people are already using Battlefield Blvd or Centerville Turnpike.
Chesapeake Expressway wasn't privately funded. Unless such a high toll is needed to manage crush loads to OBX, it should be lower.
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Pink Jazz

I am visiting my aunt in Virginia, and lately I have been noticing signs that look brand new in FHWA Series E(M) instead of Clearview. I wonder if VDOT decided that the strict adherence to Clearview guidelines wasn't worth the headache.

WillWeaverRVA

#7745
Quote from: Pink Jazz on May 07, 2026, 12:37:56 PMI am visiting my aunt in Virginia, and lately I have been noticing signs that look brand new in FHWA Series E(M) instead of Clearview. I wonder if VDOT decided that the strict adherence to Clearview guidelines wasn't worth the headache.

Virginia's MUTCD ceased to require Clearview on most signs when it was spun off from the federal MUTCD last year. Clearview is now only specified for use on overhead signs on freeways and expressways and even then it's optional.
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

1995hoo

This tweet has video from VDOT's sign shop. Figured it might be of interest.

https://x.com/VaDOTRVA/status/2052402849670160405
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Mapmikey

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2026, 03:58:04 PMThis tweet has video from VDOT's sign shop. Figured it might be of interest.

https://x.com/VaDOTRVA/status/2052402849670160405

This suggests that the many route shield error signs come from one location...?

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Mapmikey on May 07, 2026, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2026, 03:58:04 PMThis tweet has video from VDOT's sign shop. Figured it might be of interest.

https://x.com/VaDOTRVA/status/2052402849670160405

This suggests that the many route shield error signs come from one location...?

They would haaaaate me if I worked there.  :)
Will Weaver
WillWeaverRVA Photography | Twitter

"But how will the oxen know where to drown if we renumber the Oregon Trail?" - NE2

hbelkins

Quote from: Mapmikey on May 07, 2026, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 07, 2026, 03:58:04 PMThis tweet has video from VDOT's sign shop. Figured it might be of interest.

https://x.com/VaDOTRVA/status/2052402849670160405

This suggests that the many route shield error signs come from one location...?

Interesting, given that there's not really a statewide standard for signage (i.e., normal-sized route markers in the southwestern part of the state and smaller unisigns in the Shenandoah Valley area).
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