__________ is/are underrated.

[Max Rockatansky]

Thing is, these days people get three hours of entertainment out of a movie, then hop online and talk about what they thought about it. Then if they really like it there's lots of discussion analyzing the themes and the writing and all that kind of stuff you do in high school English class (turns out that's fun for some people if they actually enjoy the work!). Then there's fan art and fan fiction. So if a work really speaks to someone they can get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of a work beyond the actual run time, even if they never actually rewatch it.

This can and does happen with things which aren't monetized to hell and back with sequels and product tie-ins and what have you. It happens with things which the corporate media has cancelled and washed its hands of. It happens with things like indie works with publishers who can't afford to do such things. So the fact that none of this really happened with Avatar has always kind of implied there is something wrong with it.

I'm burnt out with people thinking big franchises like Star Wars or Marvel are forms of high art.  Out of all the Star Wars movies that were made only two were classic films (A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back).  Star Wars had a fair number of good movies and a bunch that were just okay.  Marvel has a couple good movies, no classics and a bunch of mid-level stuff.  There is something honest feeling when it comes to Avatar cranking out three-hour movies that are watchable once and forgettable after that.

Well, Star Wars and Marvel are also high-budget franchises which need to appeal to as many people as possible to make back their high budget and then turn a profit. As a result they cannot risk doing something that will be unappealing to a portion of the desired audience, which means they cannot take the risk of actually making something good. It's like McDonald's—the intent isn't to make something people will like, it's to make something consistent and edible enough to turn a profit.

As an example of what I was talking about in the second paragraph, I'm thinking of things like the video game Stardew Valley, which was written, programmed, and illustrated by some dude named Eric and sold for fifteen bucks a copy. Despite the fact that Eric's marketing budget is approximately zero and it was programmed on a computer which wasn't even held up by proper furniture, an impressive amount of digital ink has been spilled talking about its characters—searching a popular fan fiction site returns 16,249 works tagged for it.

The Last Jedi was kind of a risk that didn't pay off in more than one way. Lifelong fans didn't like it, it wrote the future direction of the trilogy into uncomfortable territory for Abrams (or anyone else working on writing the trilogy), and by the end of the trilogy box office returns were so far below expectations that there wasn't a Star Wars film released in theaters for 7 years. Not exactly the return on investment Disney wanted.

I liked the Last Jedi when I first saw it.  The problem was that the next movie didn't follow up with setting up Kylo REN as the big bad and wild card of the trilogy.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm rewatching Alien Romulus for the first time.  I liked this movie when I saw it in the theater and it is holding up on a rewatch.  The gore and body horror in particular are done really well.  It also works narratively as a bridge between Prometheus and Alien.

[Max Rockatansky]

The over acting and scene chewing in the 1989 version Pet Sematary is phenomenal.  There are so many unintentionally hilarious scenes like the whole bit with "Zelda's dead!"

[I-57/Route 66 Fan]

Frozen pizza and a glass of milk.

[Max Rockatansky]

The 2026 Chevy Express Van which we just took delivery on at work.  This is the synopsis I wrote for a car group I'm a member of:

"My new work vehicle was delivered this week. This time around it is a 2026 Chevrolet Express Passenger Van.  This is the base model with twelve seat capacity and comes with the LV1 4.3L V6.   The LV1 makes 285 horsepower and 305 LB-FT of torque.  Per the GM Fleet site these MSRP for $47,950. 

What isn't underwhelming to me is the interior has actual buttons on the center console.  There isn't anything modern about the layout side from cruise control and a backup camera.  There is an AC adapter slot but nothing for USB. 

This is giving me the same vibes as our family 1996 Suburban down in Mexico.  I suppose that makes sense considering the Express has been around since 1996 and hasn't changed a great deal since moving to the GMT 610 platform."

If the Express had a 4WD option I might seriously consider one in cargo configuration.  Alas, no such option exists.

[kphoger]

Silversun Pickups (the band) seem to be way less popular than they deserve to be.

[Takumi]

Silversun Pickups (the band) seem to be way less popular than they deserve to be.

My dad used to say that he liked their musical style but thought their songs were too long (typically 5-6 minutes instead of the usual 3-4 that keeps people's attention span). I wonder if others feel the same way.

[kphoger]

My dad used to say that he liked their musical style but thought their songs were too long (typically 5-6 minutes instead of the usual 3-4 that keeps people's attention span). I wonder if others feel the same way.

Personally, I like longer songs.  That's one reason I like the album Wish by The Cure.  Out of twelve tracks, eight are longer than five minutes.

[formulanone]

My dad used to say that he liked their musical style but thought their songs were too long (typically 5-6 minutes instead of the usual 3-4 that keeps people's attention span). I wonder if others feel the same way.

Personally, I like longer songs.  That's one reason I like the album Wish by The Cure.  Out of twelve tracks, eight are longer than five minutes.

Disintegration...it's like clocking into work at like 75 minutes in length.

[Scott5114]

My dad used to say that he liked their musical style but thought their songs were too long (typically 5-6 minutes instead of the usual 3-4 that keeps people's attention span). I wonder if others feel the same way.

Personally, I like longer songs.  That's one reason I like the album Wish by The Cure.  Out of twelve tracks, eight are longer than five minutes.

Same. Sometimes if a song is too short for my tastes, I'll listen to it on repeat two or three times to get "enough" of it.

[Takumi]

My dad used to say that he liked their musical style but thought their songs were too long (typically 5-6 minutes instead of the usual 3-4 that keeps people's attention span). I wonder if others feel the same way.

Personally, I like longer songs.  That's one reason I like the album Wish by The Cure.  Out of twelve tracks, eight are longer than five minutes.

One of my favorite artists I've discovered in the last year or two is the Chicago shoegaze band Airiel. Most of their songs are over 5 minutes long, and often are 7-8-9, but also somehow feel like they're getting overly repetitive by that point for the most part.

[hotdogPi]

Billy Joel's songs tend to run long, but they also aren't repetitive. I don't think he's written a single four-chord song.

For a different example, this song runs 7:48 and only goes through two full cycles. I feel like the portion past around 6:00 isn't needed, though. (The 48-second intro is fine, since it essentially acts as verse 0.)

[kphoger]

One of my favorite artists I've discovered in the last year or two is the Chicago shoegaze band Airiel. Most of their songs are over 5 minutes long, and often are 7-8-9, but also somehow feel like they're getting overly repetitive by that point for the most part.

I'd never even heard of the shoegaze genre before, but I just put on the album The Battle of Sealand to give them a try.

I do admit, part of the reason I chose that album is because I imagined the battle was against Alanland...

[Takumi]

One of my favorite artists I've discovered in the last year or two is the Chicago shoegaze band Airiel. Most of their songs are over 5 minutes long, and often are 7-8-9, but also somehow feel like they're getting overly repetitive by that point for the most part.

I'd never even heard of the shoegaze genre before, but I just put on the album The Battle of Sealand to give them a try.

I do admit, part of the reason I chose that album is because I imagined the battle was against Alanland...

Shoegaze was primarily an early 90s British thing, and fell out of favor when the likes of Oasis and Blur came around.

[TheCatalyst31]

One of my favorite artists I've discovered in the last year or two is the Chicago shoegaze band Airiel. Most of their songs are over 5 minutes long, and often are 7-8-9, but also somehow feel like they're getting overly repetitive by that point for the most part.

I'd never even heard of the shoegaze genre before, but I just put on the album The Battle of Sealand to give them a try.

I do admit, part of the reason I chose that album is because I imagined the battle was against Alanland...

If you're new to the genre entirely, My Bloody Valentine's Loveless is probably the most well-regarded shoegaze album. Personally I think the genre as a whole is a bit underrated aside from MBV, but it's easy to understand why, as its name comes from most of the genre's artists having so little stage presence that they were practically gazing at their shoes the whole time.