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Oddities that defy conventional wisdom - POPULATION edition

Started by webny99, September 23, 2022, 02:20:19 PM

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Rothman

Quote from: ModernDayWarrior on August 06, 2026, 05:30:18 PMI don't expect the Blues to leave St. Louis anytime soon. The city of St. Louis may be hemorrhaging population, but the metro area as a whole is not. And the Blues still draw well, even when they're not any good.

Road Hog is absolutely right that the city of St. Louis separating from the rest of the county was a terrible decision in hindsight. In 1877 what is now St. Louis County was still rural and relatively unpopulated and the city didn't want its tax dollars being spent out there, which is kind of ironic because now St. Louis County steadfastly opposes re-consolidating with the city for the same reason. I personally think this is kind of short-sighted, because St. Louis City continuing to wither on the vine does not help the County in the long run. St. Louis City would like to merge with the county again, but the county wants none of it and Jefferson City won't force the issue, because they don't want to upset St. Louis County voters. For that reason St. Louis City and County becoming one again is one of those things that really should happen but probably never will.

If a hemorrhaging population was the requirement for a professional team move, the Packers would have moved long ago...
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

oscar

Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on August 06, 2026, 06:17:04 PMIsn't Baltimore also a county-equivalent city?

Baltimore city is separate from (but mostly surrounded by) Baltimore County. Similar to St. Louis city/St. Louis County in Missouri.
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Ted$8roadFan

None of Cleveland's and Detroit's teams will be leaving anytime soon.

bulldog1979

Quote from: Rothman on August 06, 2026, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: ModernDayWarrior on August 06, 2026, 05:30:18 PMI don't expect the Blues to leave St. Louis anytime soon. The city of St. Louis may be hemorrhaging population, but the metro area as a whole is not. And the Blues still draw well, even when they're not any good.

Road Hog is absolutely right that the city of St. Louis separating from the rest of the county was a terrible decision in hindsight. In 1877 what is now St. Louis County was still rural and relatively unpopulated and the city didn't want its tax dollars being spent out there, which is kind of ironic because now St. Louis County steadfastly opposes re-consolidating with the city for the same reason. I personally think this is kind of short-sighted, because St. Louis City continuing to wither on the vine does not help the County in the long run. St. Louis City would like to merge with the county again, but the county wants none of it and Jefferson City won't force the issue, because they don't want to upset St. Louis County voters. For that reason St. Louis City and County becoming one again is one of those things that really should happen but probably never will.

If a hemorrhaging population was the requirement for a professional team move, the Packers would have moved long ago...

Green Bay isn't "hemorrhaging population". The population of the city is down about 1,000 residents since the 2020 census, or a less than 1% drop, while Brown County is up 3.5% since the census. Otherwise, Green Bay's population has increased in every US census.

GaryV

Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 08, 2026, 01:31:07 AMGreen Bay isn't "hemorrhaging population".

On a recent visit, we thought Downtown Green Bay, and the nearby Broadway neighborhood across the river, were both up and coming areas being redeveloped.

kphoger

Quote from: Rothman on August 06, 2026, 08:26:25 PMIf a hemorrhaging population was the requirement for a professional team move, the Packers would have moved long ago...
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 08, 2026, 01:31:07 AMGreen Bay isn't "hemorrhaging population". The population of the city is down about 1,000 residents since the 2020 census, or a less than 1% drop, while Brown County is up 3.5% since the census. Otherwise, Green Bay's population has increased in every US census.

There, is that better?

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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: kphoger on August 08, 2026, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 06, 2026, 08:26:25 PMIf a hemorrhaging population was the requirement for a professional team move, the Packers would have moved long ago...
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 08, 2026, 01:31:07 AMGreen Bay isn't "hemorrhaging population". The population of the city is down about 1,000 residents since the 2020 census, or a less than 1% drop, while Brown County is up 3.5% since the census. Otherwise, Green Bay's population has increased in every US census.

There, is that better?

Everyone knows they are the Milwaukee market team.  They even used to play a couple of their home games there for years. 

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2026, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 08, 2026, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 06, 2026, 08:26:25 PMIf a hemorrhaging population was the requirement for a professional team move, the Packers would have moved long ago...
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 08, 2026, 01:31:07 AMGreen Bay isn't "hemorrhaging population". The population of the city is down about 1,000 residents since the 2020 census, or a less than 1% drop, while Brown County is up 3.5% since the census. Otherwise, Green Bay's population has increased in every US census.

There, is that better?

Everyone knows they are the Milwaukee market team.  They even used to play a couple of their home games there for years. 

They still have a specific ticket package prioritizing Milwaukee-based fans a couple games a year as well. Beyond that, the state worships the team as a whole. There's not really any other team like it (even as much as I hate them).
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JayhawkCO

This isn't necessarily an oddity, but this was a thread closest to it. Just thought it was kinda cool. Hopefully it's zoomable enough.


JayhawkCO

Because I had some free time waiting for my car to get worked on, I took a look a little more deeply on the map above.

There are 312 different "grid squares" that contain a permanently populated area.

I have been to 91 of them and visited the largest city in the grid in 59 of them.

Addis Ababa
Akureyri
Almaty
Anchorage
Auckland
Baku
Beijing
Bogotá
Boise
Calgary
Cape Town
Casablanca
Chicago
Dakar
Dallas
Delhi
Dhaka
Dubai
Fort Collins
Funchal
Halifax
Havana
Ho Chi Minh City
Honolulu
Houston
Istanbul
Jacksonville
Jakarta
Johannesburg
Juneau
Koror
Lima
London
Longyearbyen
Los Angeles
Madrid
New York
Paris
Philadelphia
Quezon City
Rarotonga
Reykjavik
Rome
San José
Santiago
Santo Domingo
Saskatoon
Seattle
Singapore
Surabaya
Sydney
Taipei
Tashkent
Tegucigalpa
Tokyo
Townsville
Winnipeg
Yangon

flan

After rigorously cross-referencing the map above and a map of my own travels:

I have been to Winnipeg and Chicago  :-/ . But I've also only been to six of those squares (Los Angeles, Fort Collins, Saskatoon, and Thompson are the other four).

Interesting how the only row that has cities in each column around the globe is the row between 60 and 70 degrees north. Although it makes sense due to the distribution of land in northern N. America and Eurasia and the fact that the 'squares' in that row are only about 42% the area of the 'squares' abutting the equator