I-290 rebuild/expansion feedback

[dzlsabe]

Trib today...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-interstate-290-tl-1222-20161215-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-create-75thstreet-12-15-20161215-story.html
Funny that just south of this locomotive shot at 63rd St, they actually left an opening for you know what?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-budget-20161215-story.html

Probably only to me are ALL these stories related in two pages of the Tribune today.

@ Brandon.... "Nutty idea, IMHO.  Would be better just to sell it to ISTHA and get IDOT out of the expressway business (which they're crap at anyway)." (Which? ISTHA is not in the URBAN tollway business AFAIK. And IDOT is...overwhelmed?)

and @johndoe... "I'm not a civil engineer, but someone explain to me how this plan has the capability of increasing the capacity of the Ike."...both raise points I would luv to hear the answers to.

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[SSOWorld]

Trib today...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-interstate-290-tl-1222-20161215-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-create-75thstreet-12-15-20161215-story.html
Funny that just south of this locomotive shot at 63rd St, they actually left an opening for you know what?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-tollway-budget-20161215-story.html

Probably only to me are ALL these stories related in two pages of the Tribune today.

@ Brandon.... "Nutty idea, IMHO.  Would be better just to sell it to ISTHA and get IDOT out of the expressway business (which they're crap at anyway)." (Which? ISTHA is not in the URBAN tollway business AFAIK. And IDOT is...overwhelmed?Incompitent!)

and @johndoe... "I'm not a civil engineer, but someone explain to me how this plan has the capability of increasing the capacity of the Ike."...both raise points I would luv to hear the answers to.

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FTFY

[ILRoad55]

Just because there's a gap there does not mean the Railways re allowing an expressway to run through.  It's just like how the Elgin Ohare project is fighting with the Canadian Pacific because the tollway is taking the CP'a property.

[I-39]

Just because there's a gap there does not mean the Railways re allowing an expressway to run through.  It's just like how the Elgin Ohare project is fighting with the Canadian Pacific because the tollway is taking the CP'a property.

Exactly. Like I've said, you think it is hard to get ROW for the O'Hare West Bypass? The Hypotenuse would be 1000000000000x harder (and that's being generous). I could only imagine the court fights.

Can someone either lock this thread or ban dzlsabe from this forum. I'm tired of hearing about this............

[kphoger]

Can this be about Alanland yet?

[Revive 755]

^ Only if the new HOT-3 lanes proposed for I-290 get an 85 mph speed limit 

[dzlsabe]

Just because there's a gap there does not mean the Railways re allowing an expressway to run through.  It's just like how the Elgin Ohare project is fighting with the Canadian Pacific because the tollway is taking the CP'a property.

Exactly. Like I've said, you think it is hard to get ROW for the O'Hare West Bypass? The Hypotenuse would be 1000000000000x harder (and that's being generous). I could only imagine the court fights.

Can someone either lock this thread or ban dzlsabe from this forum. I'm tired of hearing about this............

First, How did the NINE mile, $4B?, EOWA boondoogle get this far with CPRR not "onboard"?

Second, how did you come up with "Hypo a TRILLION times harder"? Asleep at the switch? You think CNRR and the residents of the adjacent towns would not want the RR to be finally. completely grade-separated after 160 years?

If you are tired, take a NAP.

[Revive 755]

One question that was also posted in the appropriate thread, then more off topic chatter complete with unnecessary insults.

FIFY

[dzlsabe]

One question that was also posted in the appropriate thread, then more off topic chatter complete with unnecessary insults.

FIFY

No such "quote" ever made. Thats you making shit up...yet again.

[ET21]

One question that was also posted in the appropriate thread, then more off topic chatter complete with unnecessary insults.

FIFY

More off topic BS

FIFY

[hobsini2]

I swear to fucking Godt, enough with the Hypo 90 idea. Jesus fucking Christ! YOUR thread was locked because of your own stupidity. Doing this to other's threads is not civilized nor wanted.

[hobsini2]

Can this be about Alanland yet?

YES! But you have to pay the $83 toll to DZ just for him to go away.

[US71]

Can this be about Alanland yet?

YES! But you have to pay the $83 toll to DZ just for him to go away.

If he wants to talk about his fantasies, most doctors charge over $100/hour

[dzlsabe]

I swear to fucking Godt, enough with the Hypo 90 idea. Jesus fucking Christ! YOUR thread was locked because of your own stupidity. Doing this to other's threads is not civilized nor wanted.

Yes you DO swear, voltaire. Inquiring minds just want to know what we are missing with "Alternatives C11 OTHER" (pg 25, 26) in this robust BS EIS... http://eisenhowerexpressway.com/pdfs/i290%20alternatives%20evaluation%20summary2013apr02.pdf BEFORE WE/IDOT destroy the IKE (ONLY critical EW freeway available) for five to eight years? And the very real possibility it will not do JACHZHIT. (Initial disappointment and future regret of $Bs and time spent)

[ILRoad55]

Pretty sure you spelled Jackshit wrong.

Anyways people are pretty accepting on the way the Eisenhower currently is. Even with construction they will still drive through it. It's unlikely they will shut the entire expressway down. If it takes 5-8 years I think they will do it in segments rather than tear up the entire Expy like the tollway does (88 and 90 in mind. Sections like Mannheim to 1st Ave, then when they finish, move on to 1st Ave to Harlem.

But in no way will they build an Expy from Hillside to Skyway to help the Ike. People work in the city you know, that won't help them. And we have Alts for those passing through to get to Indiana or whatever, Veterans, Tri-State, even Kingery Hwy. And if you are really coming from far out I-39 to I-80 or I-88.

[mvak36]

Serious hypothetical question , would extending the Blue Line out to Naperville or so maybe help the traffic on 290?

[dzlsabe]

Everybody I talk to about the Ike has words that in NO way would be considered "pretty accepting". And when and IF they start to attempt to cram more lanes in the problem nearly SIX miles, not only will the Ike become even more of a mess, so will adjacent roads.

Yes people work in the city. They also work, transport goods, travel to/from railyards, truck terminals, MDW etc. in and around Cicero/I-55. CMAP estimates one in six vehicles are trucks going to those places. Right now that means Ike and Mannheim, Harlem, Central, Cicero, Laramie etal. Removing that would free up those roads, many others. And yes, we have "alternatives", we just dont have the DIRECT route that goes in the direction XIke and the Skyway do. A near parallel alternative to Congress Ike seems like something to consider BEFORE ripping up and spending $Bs on something that after all is said and done, MAY NOT DO JACKSHIT. Capiche?

Hence, my curiosity on C11 on the EIS. And if there is NO study on this, WE just wont know, will we?

[dzlsabe]

Serious hypothetical question , would extending the Blue Line out to Naperville or so maybe help the traffic on 290?

No. There are already BNSF trains to Naperville. Maybe better connections/transfers like a NS Mid-City Transitway... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-City_Transitway would help.

Funny though, cuz I thought the other day, maybe extend/tunnel the Blue Line west from the other end, Ohare, along EOWA?

[The Ghostbuster]

Would it be possible to add new lanes (toll or free) to Interstate 290 by placing them over the existing railroad tracks that parallel the Interstate?

[ET21]

Would it be possible to add new lanes (toll or free) to Interstate 290 by placing them over the existing railroad tracks that parallel the Interstate?

Possible, but they'd have to be express only since those lanes would have to cross over multiple bridges.

[US71]

Everybody I talk to about the Ike has words that in NO way would be considered "pretty accepting". And when and IF they start to attempt to cram more lanes in the problem nearly SIX miles, not only will the Ike become even more of a mess, so will adjacent roads.

Yes people work in the city. They also work, transport goods, travel to/from railyards, truck terminals, MDW etc. in and around Cicero/I-55. CMAP estimates one in six vehicles are trucks going to those places. Right now that means Ike and Mannheim, Harlem, Central, Cicero, Laramie etal. Removing that would free up those roads, many others. And yes, we have "alternatives", we just dont have the DIRECT route that goes in the direction XIke and the Skyway do. A near parallel alternative to Congress Ike seems like something to consider BEFORE ripping up and spending $Bs on something that after all is said and done, MAY NOT DO JACKSHIT. Capiche?

Hence, my curiosity on C11 on the EIS. And if there is NO study on this, WE just wont know, will we?

Why don't you conduct a study since you're so knowledgeable?

SM-G930V

[dzlsabe]

Would it be possible to add new lanes (toll or free) to Interstate 290 by placing them over the existing railroad tracks that parallel the Interstate?

Gee, thats exactly what Im suggesting, just not over I-290 (but basically parallel), and definitely NOT free. Before we shoot ourselves in the foot yet again with more needless concrete that does not resolve anything. BRING THE "C11 OTHER" STUDY.

[paulthemapguy]

MODS.  MODS WHERE ARE YOU

For real though, I think that a 4th lane in each direction of the Eisenhower east of I-294 will upgrade the expressway from dismally congested...to dismally congested.   It would improve things, but probably not enough; the current bottlenecks would just be moved to different locations.  The Hillside Strangler would still be just as much of a nightmare.  In my opinion, we need to think on a bigger scale.  No matter what, newcomers to the Chicago commute from the western suburbs will find themselves utterly appalled at the amount of traffic...whereas those experienced with that commute know to AVOID COMMUTING BY CAR AT ALL COSTS TAKE THE METRA FOR THE LOVE OF GOD lol

inb4 people call me a Metra shill lol but seriously it's the only option when I-290 is this miserably inadequate

[quickshade]

I won't call you any names, however we better invest at least a billion dollars into Metra rail service and move it into the 21st century. Most cars still lack charging options for devices, WiFi is still horrible. Debit card system is lackluster and the service and on time arrival leaves a lot to be desired. I agree with you that a good rail choice that has 21st century capabilities would be excellent alternative to our roadways, but unless we invest actual money into it I don't see it happening.

[The Ghostbuster]

Rail is a 19th and 20th century. And forget about comparing America and its rail system with rail systems overseas. American cities are farther apart than cities in Europe (the entire land mass of Europe is roughly the same as the land mass of the United States). Japan is a jam-packed island nation. And China and India are developing countries, so any comparisons would not add up.