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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1375 on: July 10, 2020, 01:29:28 PM »

MassDOT has reached a memorandum of understanding with the Army Corps of Engineers regarding the replacement of the Cape Cod bridges, from MassDOT's blog:
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/memorandum-of-understanding-reached-between-massdot-and-the-u-s-army-corps-of-engineers-regarding-bourne-and-sagamore-bridges/
So the new bridges will be MassDOT bridges.

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1376 on: July 10, 2020, 09:13:39 PM »

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1377 on: July 18, 2020, 06:27:24 PM »

Whatís this? I saw a guy abruptly pull off Route 6 here, then looked it up to find this unsigned, unlabeled loop. Several vehicles were parked on it.

https://goo.gl/maps/dNhf56nDr2qpCyyW8

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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1378 on: July 18, 2020, 06:59:35 PM »

It was an old rest stop, replaced by the current one between exits 6 and 7.

The cars are there for fishing.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1379 on: July 19, 2020, 10:28:08 PM »

Spent the day with family down in Naragansett (RI).  On the way down and back, I noted that some of the MassDOT SES retrofit VMS boards are now active.  Personally, I'm not terribly impressed with the displays, which are a color that appears to be a cross between fluorescent yellow-green and chartreuse.  IMO, they are fairly weak compared to other boards.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1380 on: July 20, 2020, 12:47:28 PM »

It was an old rest stop, replaced by the current one between exits 6 and 7.

The cars are there for fishing.

Ah, ok. Thanks. I figured the people were there either to fish or for the rail trail.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1381 on: July 20, 2020, 05:37:08 PM »

You know I just thought of this song:
Nice little montage.  Although there are some newer footage of the Central Artery (the cars & overhead signs being the dead give-aways) mixed in with the vintage ones; that include the Central Artery with the older signs.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1382 on: July 26, 2020, 05:30:57 PM »

Came across this yesterday by Wachusett Dam.
It looks like an old lantern hanging over the intersection.
Any idea what it might actually be?

https://goo.gl/maps/PcJW8nGKEaG3DGSp7
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1383 on: July 26, 2020, 08:27:51 PM »

A very old intersection flashing light (yellow for thru traffic, red for intersecting traffic) or a 3-way flashing red light (stop) perhaps? 

Damn, it looks really old!
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1384 on: July 26, 2020, 09:42:00 PM »

A very old intersection flashing light (yellow for thru traffic, red for intersecting traffic) or a 3-way flashing red light (stop) perhaps? 

Damn, it looks really old!
That's what it is. If you toggle Street View around you can get a shot of it illuminated.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1385 on: July 29, 2020, 05:22:10 PM »

Can someone list every single change in the Massachusetts route system since ~1980? I don't think there are that many. The ones I know of:

  • US 1 no longer goes through Boston city streets
  • US 44 rerouted onto freeway
  • The MA 62 change just mentioned
  • MA 127 no longer ends at itself
  • MA 140 in Gardner rerouted into bypass

A little late to the party, but I'll add MA 140 being rerouted in Mansfield in 1982 onto a "freeway with traffic lights" when I-495 opened in that area.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1386 on: August 21, 2020, 11:24:36 PM »

Gotcha... thanks.  So that means the project (Raynham to Bolton) is still going on? 
I can see a sign or so getting missed in an entire project ("there's always one" in CT projects it seems), but the amount I saw not replaced was a little high.

I think it's still going on, just at a slow pace. If it is "done", I wonder what they'll do when adding the new exit numbers later this year.

I have an update on this project (I-495 Raynham to Bolton). I believe every sign is in, definitely 100% south of MA 9.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1387 on: August 25, 2020, 02:19:59 PM »

I have an update on this project (I-495 Raynham to Bolton). I believe every sign is in, definitely 100% south of MA 9.

I was just on this stretch of I-495 recently.  In both directions, the only overheads that have not yet been replaced are those on the service roads for the exits 11/12 ramps, as well as Exit 24B northbound and Exit 24A southbound (the "loop ramp" exits to US 20).  Also, for some reason the "at-exit" overhead for Exit 23C going north hasn't been replaced yet, even though its southbound counterpart has.

It could be a matter of the sign being "missed".  I've noticed it with other highways in the state.  If you travel I-95/Rte 128 north through Dedham, the 1/4 mile sign for Exit 15B (US 1 South) and the 1 mile sign for Exits 16 A-B (MA 109) are still the old 1990s-era signs.  Perhaps they'll get replaced when the exit numbers get changed?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1388 on: August 25, 2020, 06:20:40 PM »

I was just on this stretch of I-495 recently.  In both directions, the only overheads that have not yet been replaced are those on the service roads for the exits 11/12 ramps, as well as Exit 24B northbound and Exit 24A southbound (the "loop ramp" exits to US 20).  Also, for some reason the "at-exit" overhead for Exit 23C going north hasn't been replaced yet, even though its southbound counterpart has.

It could be a matter of the sign being "missed".  I've noticed it with other highways in the state.  If you travel I-95/Rte 128 north through Dedham, the 1/4 mile sign for Exit 15B (US 1 South) and the 1 mile sign for Exits 16 A-B (MA 109) are still the old 1990s-era signs.  Perhaps they'll get replaced when the exit numbers get changed?
Similar holds true for these overhead signs along I-95 northbound at the MA 110 interchange.  Such were still there as of last October during the Newburyport Meet.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1389 on: September 03, 2020, 05:42:08 PM »

I don't think the new cape bridges are enough. The Army Corps of Engineers should fix the mistake it made 80 years ago and narrow the canal back to 100 feet. You could then build as many bridges as you wanted. Why should the state pay for the federal government's errors?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1390 on: September 04, 2020, 02:02:23 AM »

I don't think the new cape bridges are enough. The Army Corps of Engineers should fix the mistake it made 80 years ago and narrow the canal back to 100 feet. You could then build as many bridges as you wanted. Why should the state pay for the federal government's errors?

The main problems with the existing setup are:

Sagamore:
1 - Lane drop at MA-3 South.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 55 Westbound.
3 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

Bourne:
1 - Lane drop at the end of MA-25 East.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 10 Eastbound.
3 - Rotary on MA-28 at south end of bridge (AFAIK this will remain even with the new bridges)
4 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

The new bridges will address all of these issues save for the rotary and the MA-25 lane drop.  That and the proposed direct ramp from US-6 West to MA-25 West should alleviate most traffic woes, or at least reduce them significantly.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1391 on: September 04, 2020, 07:15:31 AM »

I don't think the new cape bridges are enough. The Army Corps of Engineers should fix the mistake it made 80 years ago and narrow the canal back to 100 feet. You could then build as many bridges as you wanted. Why should the state pay for the federal government's errors?

The main problems with the existing setup are:

Sagamore:
1 - Lane drop at MA-3 South.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 55 Westbound.
3 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

Bourne:
1 - Lane drop at the end of MA-25 East.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 10 Eastbound.
3 - Rotary on MA-28 at south end of bridge (AFAIK this will remain even with the new bridges)
4 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

The new bridges will address all of these issues save for the rotary and the MA-25 lane drop.  That and the proposed direct ramp from US-6 West to MA-25 West should alleviate most traffic woes, or at least reduce them significantly.
5- Neither bridge is conducive to non-motorize traffic. The sidewalks are too narrow for bicycles to safely pass each other, there's a very high curb and there's no shoulder to buffer it from traffic.
I would definitely consider adding a multi-use path into the design.
Are they considering tolling the new bridges?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1392 on: September 04, 2020, 07:17:53 AM »

The existing bridges were designed for flivvers.  ('08 - '27 Model T)  That is the type of car, that was common on roads when those bridges were designed.   The dates of construction used to be visible on plaques on the truss superstructure, along with the state seal.  Early Depression 1931-33 timeframe. 

So yes, they do need to be replaced.   
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1393 on: September 04, 2020, 08:10:21 AM »

The existing bridges were designed for flivvers.  ('08 - '27 Model T)  That is the type of car, that was common on roads when those bridges were designed.   The dates of construction used to be visible on plaques on the truss superstructure, along with the state seal.  Early Depression 1931-33 timeframe. 

So yes, they do need to be replaced.

Originally the bridges were striped one lane each direction with shoulders.  That didn't last long as the Cape quickly became an even larger vacation destination soon after.  By the late 1940s, they were striped 4 lanes, their current configuration.

I've actually seen home video of people in the late 1940s actually being able to cross the street on the bridge in daylight, an unfathomable feat today.

Also, AFAIK, they are *considering* tolling the bridges, as after the new bridges are constructed, the Canal is being transferre to state ownership.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1394 on: September 04, 2020, 09:04:25 AM »

Makes me wonder how they finagled the State getting ownership of the canal.  Quite a while ago -- over a decade -- I saw a presentation about the Corps and they were really asserting their jurisdiction over navigable waters.  Wonder what changed.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1395 on: September 04, 2020, 09:51:16 AM »

Makes me wonder how they finagled the State getting ownership of the canal.  Quite a while ago -- over a decade -- I saw a presentation about the Corps and they were really asserting their jurisdiction over navigable waters.  Wonder what changed.
They're getting just the bridges, not the canal AFIAK.
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1396 on: September 04, 2020, 03:59:26 PM »

5- Neither bridge is conducive to non-motorize traffic. The sidewalks are too narrow for bicycles to safely pass each other, there's a very high curb and there's no shoulder to buffer it from traffic.
I would definitely consider adding a multi-use path into the design.
Are they considering tolling the new bridges?

I think the ridiculously high curb IS the buffer.

Each bridge is terrifying to ride a bicycle on. Done them each just once in a single ride. Thankfully I was the only one on them each time.

I believe an MUP is being engineered into each bridge, with a 10-foot wide one on one side of each bridge, with a barrier and 10-foot shoulder between it and auto traffic.

A few years ago, I watched what appeared to be a DWI cyclist* enter the Sagamore from the US 6 E/B ramp onto the west side of the bridge, up the right lane, doing about 5 MPH with a line of traffic behind him. Talk about a potential head-on collision waiting to happen...

*DWI cyclist refers to either a person riding a bicycle due to not having a license due to a DWI, or, an actively drunk cyclist
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1397 on: September 04, 2020, 07:21:41 PM »

I don't think the new cape bridges are enough. The Army Corps of Engineers should fix the mistake it made 80 years ago and narrow the canal back to 100 feet. You could then build as many bridges as you wanted. Why should the state pay for the federal government's errors?

The main problems with the existing setup are:

Sagamore:
1 - Lane drop at MA-3 South.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 55 Westbound.
3 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

Bourne:
1 - Lane drop at the end of MA-25 East.
2 - No acceleration lane for traffic coming in from Exit 10 Eastbound.
3 - Rotary on MA-28 at south end of bridge (AFAIK this will remain even with the new bridges)
4 - Incredibly narrow lanes with no barrier separating directions of traffic, resulting in a speed limit drop to 40.

The new bridges will address all of these issues save for the rotary and the MA-25 lane drop.  That and the proposed direct ramp from US-6 West to MA-25 West should alleviate most traffic woes, or at least reduce them significantly.
5- Neither bridge is conducive to non-motorize traffic. The sidewalks are too narrow for bicycles to safely pass each other, there's a very high curb and there's no shoulder to buffer it from traffic.
I would definitely consider adding a multi-use path into the design.
Are they considering tolling the new bridges?

Absolutely this. I know that people in road discussions arenít always that bicycle friendly, but these bridges tie into some pretty heavily used long-distance bike corridors that bring a lot of tourists. Plus, how cool would it be to just stand there and look off those bridges (while, you know, not risking oneís life)?
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Re: Massachusetts
« Reply #1398 on: September 18, 2020, 10:05:14 AM »

This week MassDOT received a $21 million BUILD grant toward the I-90/I-495 Interchange project [PDF].

The grant covers but a fraction of the estimated total project cost, but is a step forward. The project is currently at 25% design, with construction projected for 2022-2027.

For those unfamiliar with the project, it involves building direct ramps from I-90 westbound to I-495 northbound and from I-495 northbound to I-90 eastbound, eliminating weaving between the other movements at the old toll plaza location, and replacing the trumpets with 40-45 mph flyovers. Plans and renderings can be found in the presentation from the July design public hearing [PDF].
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