I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange

[ipeters61]

I think the idea is that most northbound travelers are heading to NYC or beyond, whereas people are getting out at various points southbound.

That would explain why you see signs for NYC as far south as at least Salisbury MD when coming up US-13.  Also interesting is that this seems to be one of the rare points where MDOT recognizes that Philadelphia exists.



Living in Dover, though, I never have seen any sign pointing traffic to Philadelphia or NYC around here.  Furthest north these signs go is Wilmington and the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

[Roadsguy]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

[Roadrunner75]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

Agreed.  Specifically on this thread, every time I check back thinking there's some talk on the new interchange or somebody noticed that Google Maps has finally decided to recognize it, I just get more control cities.

And regarding Google Maps, I'm surprised that somebody here hasn't found a way to get it changed yet.

[famartin]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

Agreed.  Specifically on this thread, every time I check back thinking there's some talk on the new interchange or somebody noticed that Google Maps has finally decided to recognize it, I just get more control cities.

And regarding Google Maps, I'm surprised that somebody here hasn't found a way to get it changed yet.

I tried the "usual route" to report it to them, which as you can tell, worked wonders 

[theroadwayone]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

Agreed.  Specifically on this thread, every time I check back thinking there's some talk on the new interchange or somebody noticed that Google Maps has finally decided to recognize it, I just get more control cities.

And regarding Google Maps, I'm surprised that somebody here hasn't found a way to get it changed yet.

It takes ages for Google Maps to reflect new road construction.

[jeffandnicole]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

Agreed.  Specifically on this thread, every time I check back thinking there's some talk on the new interchange or somebody noticed that Google Maps has finally decided to recognize it, I just get more control cities.

And regarding Google Maps, I'm surprised that somebody here hasn't found a way to get it changed yet.

It takes ages for Google Maps to reflect new road construction.

Yet, close a road for emergency construction and they know about it instantly.

I have seen new roads shown in Google Maps instantly, so I'm not sure why it's taking them so long to recognize these new ramps.  Maybe they weren't named for a politician so they don't care about them! LOL

[Roadsguy]

It takes ages for Google Maps to reflect new road construction.

Yet, close a road for emergency construction and they know about it instantly.

To be fair, adding new roads to the database and/or changing their display status is completely different from road closures, which are typically part of traffic conditions and so update live.

[02 Park Ave]

Can anyone really justify not using Philly as the main I-95 control city between Baltimore and NYC? The whole section from Baltimore to NYC needs an overhaul in control city signage, IMHO.

Philadelphia is inconsequential.

[Beltway]

Can anyone really justify not using Philly as the main I-95 control city between Baltimore and NYC? The whole section from Baltimore to NYC needs an overhaul in control city signage, IMHO.

Philadelphia is inconsequential.

Give it some more time.  They were bypassed by a superhighway in Delaware and New Jersey back in 1951.  It is only in 2018 that a continuous I-95 route now exists.

[jeffandnicole]

It takes ages for Google Maps to reflect new road construction.

Yet, close a road for emergency construction and they know about it instantly.

To be fair, adding new roads to the database and/or changing their display status is completely different from road closures, which are typically part of traffic conditions and so update live.

Why did you remove the very next sentence in my quote which nullifies what you just typed?

While new roads don't occur very often near me, the US 322 Bypass was shown on Google Maps the day it opened.

[PHLBOS]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

Agreed.  Specifically on this thread, every time I check back thinking there's some talk on the new interchange or somebody noticed that Google Maps has finally decided to recognize it, I just get more control cities.

And regarding Google Maps, I'm surprised that somebody here hasn't found a way to get it changed yet.

It takes ages for Google Maps to reflect new road construction.

Yet, close a road for emergency construction and they know about it instantly.

I have seen new roads shown in Google Maps instantly, so I'm not sure why it's taking them so long to recognize these new ramps.

And yet, they replaced old I-95 shields with I-295 shields before all the related-sign conversions in the field were completed; though they have not yet updated all of the interchange number changes.

Another tidbit regarding Google Maps: if one switches over to the Satellite view.  The aerial photo shown predates the construction of the two ramps.  Maybe Google's waiting for an updated aerial photograph so the new ramp routings can be accurately plotted.

[ipeters61]

Southbound/westbound on I-95/PA Turnpike approaching the interchange:

Something I just thought of, doesn't PennDOT have an aversion to using the same exit number to reference different roads (northbound is Exit 40 for I-295)?  I know on the Cross Valley Expressway (PA-309) in Wilkes-Barre, Exit 4 goes to Rutter Avenue ("To US-11") and Exit 5 goes to US-11/Wyoming Avenue, even though they both are serving the same area.

[theroadwayone]

If it helps, I did some research, and as of now, the toll from Exit 6 to Exit 1 on the NJ Pike is $5.45 cash/EZ-Pass, and $4.15 EZ-Pass off-peak, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge toll is $4.00 cash/EZ-Pass. The Turnpike Bridge toll is $6.75 toll-by-plate, and $5.00 EZ-Pass. Knowing this should factor into which route(s) a southbound driver should use, same with a northbound driver, minus the bridge tolls.

[jeffandnicole]

Southbound/westbound on I-95/PA Turnpike approaching the interchange:

Something I just thought of, doesn't PennDOT have an aversion to using the same exit number to reference different roads (northbound is Exit 40 for I-295)?  I know on the Cross Valley Expressway (PA-309) in Wilkes-Barre, Exit 4 goes to Rutter Avenue ("To US-11") and Exit 5 goes to US-11/Wyoming Avenue, even though they both are serving the same area.

This is all part of I-95, so it's correct in using Interchange 40 throughout the entire area.  You're thinking of the PA Turnpike and 'old' I-95 as being different roads, whereas now PA treats I-95 as one road, regardless of jurisdiction, and the breakoff roads are I-276 and I-295..

[roadman65]

I think it's a fundamental constant of the universe that almost every thread on this forum devolves into some kind of discussion about control cities.

I never had a real problem with Philly not being used on the NJ Turnpike living in NJ my entire childhood and early adulthood life, but did think it was odd though.  Not odd enough though to get anal like some here do, but since old NJ road photos submitted here did show Philadelphia as a control city on US 1 & 9 south at US 22 back in the 1940's does now allow me to see why Philadelphia is now wanting to be changed to all I-95 signage.

[vdeane]

Another tidbit regarding Google Maps: if one switches over to the Satellite view.  The aerial photo shown predates the construction of the two ramps.  Maybe Google's waiting for an updated aerial photograph so the new ramp routings can be accurately plotted.

There's some construction on the 2d view... not a lot, though more than the section of I-11 they added soon after it opened.

[Roadsguy]

Southbound/westbound on I-95/PA Turnpike approaching the interchange:

Something I just thought of, doesn't PennDOT have an aversion to using the same exit number to reference different roads (northbound is Exit 40 for I-295)?  I know on the Cross Valley Expressway (PA-309) in Wilkes-Barre, Exit 4 goes to Rutter Avenue ("To US-11") and Exit 5 goes to US-11/Wyoming Avenue, even though they both are serving the same area.

This is all part of I-95, so it's correct in using Interchange 40 throughout the entire area.  You're thinking of the PA Turnpike and 'old' I-95 as being different roads, whereas now PA treats I-95 as one road, regardless of jurisdiction, and the breakoff roads are I-276 and I-295..

I think he meant the same number going to different roads depending on which direction you're on.

Of course when they build the remaining movements, presumably they will become Exit 40A and 40B, which for both directions of I-95 will probably lead to I-295 and the Turnpike, respectively, based on what I can gather of how exit letter suffixes are determined.

[jeffandnicole]

Another tidbit regarding Google Maps: if one switches over to the Satellite view.  The aerial photo shown predates the construction of the two ramps.  Maybe Google's waiting for an updated aerial photograph so the new ramp routings can be accurately plotted.

I doubt it - I've seen many occasions where new roadways are just shown over forested areas.  Aerial photos can take a while to occur; sometimes it takes a few years.  I don't think they use these aerials as the base layer in determining how to plot a roadway as there can be some issues with the photography.

[Roadsguy]

Another tidbit regarding Google Maps: if one switches over to the Satellite view.  The aerial photo shown predates the construction of the two ramps.  Maybe Google's waiting for an updated aerial photograph so the new ramp routings can be accurately plotted.

The 3D imagery predates the start of construction, but the non-3D imagery was taken I think sometime in 2016 when construction was well underway, but still nowhere near complete.

[Beltway]

I never had a real problem with Philly not being used on the NJ Turnpike living in NJ my entire childhood and early adulthood life, but did think it was odd though.  Not odd enough though to get anal like some here do, but since old NJ road photos submitted here did show Philadelphia as a control city on US 1 & 9 south at US 22 back in the 1940's does now allow me to see why Philadelphia is now wanting to be changed to all I-95 signage.

The NJTP has always been an outer bypass superhighway of SE PA.  I-295 is the local access freeway that provides access between NJ and SE PA.  As such it makes sense to have Philadelphia directive signing on I-295 but not on the NJTP.

[PHLBOS]

I never had a real problem with Philly not being used on the NJ Turnpike living in NJ my entire childhood and early adulthood life, but did think it was odd though.  Not odd enough though to get anal like some here do, but since old NJ road photos submitted here did show Philadelphia as a control city on US 1 & 9 south at US 22 back in the 1940's does now allow me to see why Philadelphia is now wanting to be changed to all I-95 signage.

The NJTP has always been an outer bypass superhighway of SE PA.  I-295 is the local access freeway that provides access between NJ and SE PA.  As such it makes sense to have Philadelphia directive signing on I-295 but not on the NJTP.

Aside from the signage along the new I-295 in Mercer (NJ) & Bucks Counties (PA), I don't believe that there has been any mention of Philadelphia on I-295 signage elsewhere.

[roadman65]

No its Bordentown from US 1 in Lawrence and its Camden from I-195/NJ 29 and Del. Mem. Br. south of there (if any ramp has signs other than shields and pull throughs).

[PHLBOS]

No its Bordentown from US 1 in Lawrence and its Camden from I-195/NJ 29 and Del. Mem. Br. south of there (if any ramp has signs other than shields and pull throughs).

My point exactly.

[WR of USA]

The aerials are in serious need of updating around NYC and New Jersey, the old Tappan Zee Bridge is shown to still be in use and the I-95 Penn turnpike interchange just started construction. I mean, come on google, this is a major metropolis.

[ipeters61]

Southbound/westbound on I-95/PA Turnpike approaching the interchange:
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Something I just thought of, doesn't PennDOT have an aversion to using the same exit number to reference different roads (northbound is Exit 40 for I-295)?  I know on the Cross Valley Expressway (PA-309) in Wilkes-Barre, Exit 4 goes to Rutter Avenue ("To US-11") and Exit 5 goes to US-11/Wyoming Avenue, even though they both are serving the same area.

This is all part of I-95, so it's correct in using Interchange 40 throughout the entire area.  You're thinking of the PA Turnpike and 'old' I-95 as being different roads, whereas now PA treats I-95 as one road, regardless of jurisdiction, and the breakoff roads are I-276 and I-295..

I think he meant the same number going to different roads depending on which direction you're on.

Of course when they build the remaining movements, presumably they will become Exit 40A and 40B, which for both directions of I-95 will probably lead to I-295 and the Turnpike, respectively, based on what I can gather of how exit letter suffixes are determined.

That makes sense.  It would be odd to make them 40A and 40B in their existing configuration, I was just wondering if it would ever be changed since technically the two exit 40s, while serving the same interchange, are not exiting to the same road.