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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1250 on: August 22, 2019, 10:43:02 AM »

For the stretch north of the Exit 129/NJ Turnpike (I-95); there are still three mainline toll plazas where even one with E-ZPass still has to slow down to pass through.  Two of them are northbound, before Exit 142/I-78 & just beyond Exit 159/I-80; and one southbound toll plaza located just before Exit 149/CR 506.  Only the southbound toll plaza prior to Exit 165 has E-ZPass Express lanes; again only referring to the stretch north of Exit 129.

I was surprised to see those plazas were still all-traditional lanes.

But to MrHappy's point...people don't need to stop; they just need to slow down.  The EZ Pass lanes are signed at 15 mph.  They just hope you're going under 40.  (Fun fact he's probably not aware of...they don't even require you to stop in the exact change lanes, as long as you can get all your change in the basket.  On occasion they'll place State Troopers in those lanes to make sure people are throwing in the correct amount of change.  They'll write up a ticket and send the registered owner of the vehicle a ticket for failing to pay the proper toll, but they'll never worry about the fact you didn't stop)
Bergen, Essex, and Union are the three most urban toll plazas, and that may have played a role. There's already so much weaving going on at all three of these locations that adding another decision point may have been deemed unwise.

There's also the literal lack of space approaching all three of those plazas that likely led to the decision that there wasn't enough room to properly build out even a separation barrier and sufficient accel and deccel lanes. After all three, the lefthand lanes of the plaza have to squeeze over fairly quickly to resume a narrower roadway. If I'm not mistaken, these were some of the reasons they chose not to redo Toms River with Express EZ-Pass lanes as well.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1251 on: August 23, 2019, 10:10:10 PM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1252 on: August 23, 2019, 11:46:26 PM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1253 on: August 24, 2019, 02:00:01 AM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.

Yeah, even when it was a foregone conclusion they kept the Temp banner on US9. I wonder if they were hopeful.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1254 on: August 25, 2019, 01:31:48 AM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.
Question is whether the next SLDs will show 9 rerouted. I do not know whether jurisdictions have been swapped yet in Cape May County, but I have a suspicion it's county or town north of the turnoff.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1255 on: August 25, 2019, 03:32:37 AM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.
Question is whether the next SLDs will show 9 rerouted. I do not know whether jurisdictions have been swapped yet in Cape May County, but I have a suspicion it's county or town north of the turnoff.
Not sure, though they did add the new mileposts to the section in question.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1256 on: August 25, 2019, 10:03:42 AM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.
Question is whether the next SLDs will show 9 rerouted. I do not know whether jurisdictions have been swapped yet in Cape May County, but I have a suspicion it's county or town north of the turnoff.
Not sure, though they did add the new mileposts to the section in question.
Any idea when those were added? The indication I got that it may now be local jurisdiction was relatively recent.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1257 on: August 25, 2019, 12:22:07 PM »

Come on, NJ 186?
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1258 on: August 25, 2019, 01:04:21 PM »

Got back from a trip to AC and Wildwood today, The new GSP Great Egg bridges are nice, i'd consider the northbound Great Egg Harbor bridge to be brand new on old piers since everything you drive on is brand new, even the girders. Is it the same bridge since it's in the same spot, is it a new bridge due to the structure that actually spans the harbor being new? I don't know but i do know one fact. US9 is signed onto the parkway, not as a Temporary US9 sign either, but a perma US9 sign.
I don't think there are any plans to put 9 back on its own bridge.
Question is whether the next SLDs will show 9 rerouted. I do not know whether jurisdictions have been swapped yet in Cape May County, but I have a suspicion it's county or town north of the turnoff.
Not sure, though they did add the new mileposts to the section in question.
Any idea when those were added? The indication I got that it may now be local jurisdiction was relatively recent.
Last year in September it had the new mileposts. Itís possible it changed hands more recently (perhaps the mileposts gave someone the idea)
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1259 on: September 02, 2019, 12:50:49 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1260 on: September 02, 2019, 12:57:09 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1261 on: September 02, 2019, 02:13:26 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.

Nice i guess. I am wondering why they didn't do VMS for the bridge, adjusting the speed for conditions on it.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1262 on: September 02, 2019, 03:15:46 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.

Some newer AC Expressway speed limit signage also lacks the Conditions Permitting note as well.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1263 on: September 02, 2019, 10:40:38 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.

Nice i guess. I am wondering why they didn't do VMS for the bridge, adjusting the speed for conditions on it.
VSLS (variable speed limit signs) are Turnpike only.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1264 on: September 02, 2019, 11:01:44 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.

Nice i guess. I am wondering why they didn't do VMS for the bridge, adjusting the speed for conditions on it.
VSLS (variable speed limit signs) are for amusement only.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1265 on: September 18, 2019, 08:10:30 PM »

The LED canopy signs at the Exit 145 toll plaza are done, and I got a picture of them today:

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1266 on: September 18, 2019, 08:20:06 PM »

Hey...odd thing i also noticed. No more "conditions permitting" on the parkway speed limit signs put on on the rebuilt great egg harbor bridges, which is 65 going north btw.

Since the Turnpike Authority took over ownership of the Parkway, they've been phasing out the classic "Conditions Permitting" signs for standard MUTCD speed limit signs. I think it's only on an as needed basis, but those signs will all be gone eventually.

IIRC the PA Turnpike had "conditions permitting" signs under their speed limit signs years ago.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1267 on: September 19, 2019, 08:31:28 AM »

IIRC the PA Turnpike had "conditions permitting" signs under their speed limit signs years ago.
Such must've been decades ago.  I've periodically used the PA Turnpike since 1990 and never saw those supplemental signs.

I know that similar signage existed along the Maine Turnpike as well... at least from the 80s and earlier.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1268 on: September 20, 2019, 01:08:22 AM »

For the stretch north of the Exit 129/NJ Turnpike (I-95); there are still three mainline toll plazas where even one with E-ZPass still has to slow down to pass through.  Two of them are northbound, before Exit 142/I-78 & just beyond Exit 159/I-80; and one southbound toll plaza located just before Exit 149/CR 506.  Only the southbound toll plaza prior to Exit 165 has E-ZPass Express lanes; again only referring to the stretch north of Exit 129.

I was surprised to see those plazas were still all-traditional lanes.

But to MrHappy's point...people don't need to stop; they just need to slow down.  The EZ Pass lanes are signed at 15 mph.  They just hope you're going under 40.  (Fun fact he's probably not aware of...they don't even require you to stop in the exact change lanes, as long as you can get all your change in the basket.  On occasion they'll place State Troopers in those lanes to make sure people are throwing in the correct amount of change.  They'll write up a ticket and send the registered owner of the vehicle a ticket for failing to pay the proper toll, but they'll never worry about the fact you didn't stop)
Bergen, Essex, and Union are the three most urban toll plazas, and that may have played a role. There's already so much weaving going on at all three of these locations that adding another decision point may have been deemed unwise.

There's also the literal lack of space approaching all three of those plazas that likely led to the decision that there wasn't enough room to properly build out even a separation barrier and sufficient accel and deccel lanes. After all three, the lefthand lanes of the plaza have to squeeze over fairly quickly to resume a narrower roadway. If I'm not mistaken, these were some of the reasons they chose not to redo Toms River with Express EZ-Pass lanes as well.
I thought Toms River had Express EZ-Pass.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1269 on: September 20, 2019, 10:46:15 AM »

For the stretch north of the Exit 129/NJ Turnpike (I-95); there are still three mainline toll plazas where even one with E-ZPass still has to slow down to pass through.  Two of them are northbound, before Exit 142/I-78 & just beyond Exit 159/I-80; and one southbound toll plaza located just before Exit 149/CR 506.  Only the southbound toll plaza prior to Exit 165 has E-ZPass Express lanes; again only referring to the stretch north of Exit 129.

I was surprised to see those plazas were still all-traditional lanes.

But to MrHappy's point...people don't need to stop; they just need to slow down.  The EZ Pass lanes are signed at 15 mph.  They just hope you're going under 40.  (Fun fact he's probably not aware of...they don't even require you to stop in the exact change lanes, as long as you can get all your change in the basket.  On occasion they'll place State Troopers in those lanes to make sure people are throwing in the correct amount of change.  They'll write up a ticket and send the registered owner of the vehicle a ticket for failing to pay the proper toll, but they'll never worry about the fact you didn't stop)
Bergen, Essex, and Union are the three most urban toll plazas, and that may have played a role. There's already so much weaving going on at all three of these locations that adding another decision point may have been deemed unwise.

There's also the literal lack of space approaching all three of those plazas that likely led to the decision that there wasn't enough room to properly build out even a separation barrier and sufficient accel and deccel lanes. After all three, the lefthand lanes of the plaza have to squeeze over fairly quickly to resume a narrower roadway. If I'm not mistaken, these were some of the reasons they chose not to redo Toms River with Express EZ-Pass lanes as well.
I thought Toms River had Express EZ-Pass.

Quite correct. I was thinking of the Great Egg plaza. That's right before the bridge so it has to compress back down to two lanes very quickly.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1270 on: September 21, 2019, 10:03:41 PM »

Construction has finally started at the New Gretna toll plaza for Express E-ZPass lanes This is long overdue and should have been done during the widening project.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1271 on: September 22, 2019, 06:49:37 PM »

IIRC the PA Turnpike had "conditions permitting" signs under their speed limit signs years ago.
Such must've been decades ago.  I've periodically used the PA Turnpike since 1990 and never saw those supplemental signs.

In the early '70s I could see such a sign from the campus of the private school I was attending middle school at, a campus which butted up against the PA Pike (the Pike is on an embankment in that stretch).

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1272 on: September 25, 2019, 10:44:06 PM »

So a day or two ago (Jeremy Clarkson voice) I went on the internet and I found this:
https://www.sporcle.com/games/mikenew/new-jersey-turnpike-vs-garden-state-parkway
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« Reply #1273 on: September 26, 2019, 07:37:39 PM »

So a day or two ago (Jeremy Clarkson voice) I went on the internet and I found this:
https://www.sporcle.com/games/mikenew/new-jersey-turnpike-vs-garden-state-parkway
Which roadway has more lanes at its widest is wrong. Look north of EWR is all I'll say.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1274 on: September 28, 2019, 09:52:53 AM »

So a day or two ago (Jeremy Clarkson voice) I went on the internet and I found this:
https://www.sporcle.com/games/mikenew/new-jersey-turnpike-vs-garden-state-parkway
Which roadway has more lanes at its widest is wrong. Look north of EWR is all I'll say.
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