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[florida]

While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?

[Alps]

While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?

No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

[florida]

While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?

No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it.... 

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?

[Alps]

No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it.... 

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?

Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.

[florida]

Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.

Cool! Saw the photo on your page. It seems that S-905 was given to some of the old alignments (and a couple of small spurs off) of US 1 in the Northern Keys. Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.

[Alex]

There are two Florida C-905 shield assemblies left on that stretch near Bessie Road:

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_nb_app_bessie_rd_02.jpg

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_sb_after_bessie_rd.jpg

[Alps]

Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.

Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again.

[74/171FAN]

Quote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again

I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance

[florida]

Quote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again

I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance

I think it's signed like that at the eastern terminus of SR 84. Also swore I saw pictures of US 1 northbound at A1A in Dania Beach and it 'showed' SR A1A continuing northward, on a trailblazer sign. The only other two places would be West Palm Beach (the duplex is probably defunct these days...old maps indicated they did travel together through Northwood) and Fort Pierce (now signed as "TO A1A").




On a side note, I spent two days driving around Miami.....some observations:

-There are still two sets of Red US 1 shields hanging somewhere around downtown
-The stand-alone BGS on US 1, that had a cut-out SR 886 shield on it, has been replaced with a crudely-done LGS.
-There's one strange SR shield for SR 836 found on a side road; the type where the state is drawn as a straight line on all sides...others have been found for SRs 551, 426, and 820.
-At the southern terminus of SR 969, an erroneous JCT SR 969 shield is posted instead of an SR 968 shield, so you junction the same road you're driving on. (It's also one of the best signed routes down there, with shields every few blocks.)
-SR 933 got invaded by some atrocious, digitalized shields. [Pictures later.]
-There is an actual Miami-Dade County Community called Horse Country. No joke.
-There are Begin/End State Maintenance plaques, for SR 986, at the intersection of SW 69th Ave, opposed to SW 67th Ave where the terminus is listed. The new and improved(!) section that was bequeathed to South Miami consists of those stupid faux-bricks and an obscene 20mph speed limit. But, there are still SR 986 trailblazers at the intersection with US 1...perhaps to continue the route number so nobody gets confused?
-Where SR 909 has been cut-off from the 6-point intersection with SR 922 (the southwest leg), the old alignment was made into a cul-de-sac, and there is still a renegade southbound reassurance shield partially hidden by some bushes.
-The button-copy BGS on US 1 southbound at US 27 and I-195 has been replaced with a standard one.
-SR 886 used to travel across a two-lane drawbridge (it must have!) and most of the old alignment is still there. Also, behind a fenced-off section, with tractor-trailers parked, there's a damaged, unused spanwire traffic signal assembly(four remain on the span-wire, seems the others have been blown away from storms) and BGSs that have been almost all greened-out.

[florida]

Picture time!

Why button-copy should never be replaced.


Old or just badly faded?


Clearview-like numbers invade!


SR 922 east at the 5-points. Exactly where the "TO SR 909" assembly is, that's where SR 909 used to intersect SR 922 and hop across it like it does on SR 915.


If you made a theoretical right turn at that aforementioned sign, you'd see this still standing...even though cul-de-sac traffic can only see it properly.


Funky JCT sign on SR 932.


More old-looking signage in Hialeah


BIG FONT!


And again.


White-on-green. This must be a trend down here.


If you don't prefer BIG FONT, maybe you'd like huge obnoxious shields.


Funky shields at the north terminus of SR 969.


When reflective peels....and a greened-out sun symbol at the top.


Stenciled numerals?


SR 969 north at the flyover and surface routing...aka three separate legs split off all at once.


That SR 836 shield.


SR 969 south at what's supposed to be SR 968.


This looked like a folded sign.


SR 94 east at SR 825.


Digitalized blasphemy!


The reason why SR 986 was truncated.


But it is still signed at US 1.


The greened-out BGSs on Old(?) SR 886. (Has to be the old alignment.)


And the broken traffic lights.


Still standing hanging!


Still hanging on SR 970.


New HOT lanes. One day it was $2 from I-395 to SR 826/Turnpike.


More digitalized madness.




They replaced a cut-out SR 886 shield for this???


Tiny, little I-395 shield...because who cares?


Weird I-95 shield.


FDOT may not maintain the toll bridge, but they're nice to let you know it is tolled. The only instance where this is done.


Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.


First off, it's the Airport EXPRESSWAY, so why the RR crossing? Second, if the road is inverted, why would I want to make a right turn on the railroad tracks?? People drive slow in Miami, but I don't think they're totally slow in the head.


Finally, you can travel to Jupiter and find this county-erected sign near the coast.

[Alex]

That five points junction is also where I found the U.S. 909 and 915 shields back in 2006:

[florida]

Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there

[Alex]

Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there

There were gone by May of 2008, if not earlier.

White-on-green. This must be a trend down here.

Perhaps statewide too, found two brand new FL 368 overheads done in the same style on U.S. 98 eastbound in Panama City yesterday. Also have seen Florida 616 overheads leaving TPA the same way.

Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!

[agentsteel53]

nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.

[florida]

Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!

All the signs on I-95 south at I-195/SR 112 have been switched out. I didn't make it down to I-395 to check those, or any cut-outs on the expressways. You need a good week to explore everything down there in Miami-Dade County alone since everyone drives so slow on surface roads. Traffic wasn't really that bad like I thought it would be.

In Palm Beach County, all the BGS signs have been switched out so you'll no longer see any CR shields for 702, 809A nor 812 anymore. Just street names.

nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.

Where will you be visiting? That sign is going west on the one-way-pair from US 1/SR 886 and the Port. (Think it's 6th St?) It looks like a precursor to the bubble shields. And yep, they are red US 1 shields on the green signs. Up in Jupiter, they might still have them on the actual sign blades:

[rickmastfan67]

Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.

Yet in Jacksonville, on FL-9A they installed the ones like the one in the middle of the highway.

[agentsteel53]

I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?

[Alex]

I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?

The show is January 15.

I'll be in Orlando the week of October 18th too. Definitely going to drive Florida Toll 414 and try to get better shield shots for some of the other toll routes.

Those center line upcoming exits signs on Interstate 95 were likely moved so that in the future they can extend the HOT lanes northward. Keep in mind that a lot of the overhead guide signs in the Miami-Dade and Broward County areas were damaged by Hurricane Wilma in 2005. That might explain why some of the new signs have odd fonts or look bad.

[florida]

Indeed, the center guide signs were moved for the HOT lanes. Only in Miami though. What perplexes me is why one in Fort Lauderdale spells out SR 84.

[florida]

Future deletions: SR 537, SR 847 (so far...waiting for responses from Ds 1, 2, 4 and 7, which I'll have to phone)

SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

District 3 reports there are no deletions in the near future.

[rickmastfan67]

SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

Ok, I don't see how they could delete FL-5 in Downtown Jacksonville, UNLESS they are planning on re-routing US-1 and US-90 out of Downtown as well as FL-10.

[florida]

I'm sorry, it should have been specified. They're being deleted between the Acosta Bridge and the Main Street Bridge.

[florida]

Jacksonville notes:

-SR 21's travel through Keystone Heights is interesting. You enter Bradford County (Zero Drug Tolerance!), and Clay County (no drug tolerance?) back and forth, then there's a sharp curve with the speed limit set at 30.
-Three other keys 21 shields were found (the 4th, which AARoads found, is separate). Also, a keys 224 shield is still standing!
-There are a slew of mast arms going up on SR 21 from SR 224 to the Duval/Clay County Line.
-Since SR 228 and US 17 were taken off the College/Post streets, SR 228 duplexes with SR 129 down to US 17 (Roosevelt Expy).
-Greened-out signs are everywhere on the Acosta Bridge and the approaches, for US 17/SR 228.
-There is still one reassurance assembly for US 17/SR 228 on Bay Street west, after turning off of Main.
-A BGS sign on the Main Street Bridge NB has US 17 still plastered on it.
-SR 228 is signed with US 1 and US 90 down to Forsyth, BUT, there is no indication from FDOT that it goes on Forsyth, so it may be a new alignment, if they're going to take it off of Monroe. Now, there's 2 EB one-way SR 228 legs (Monroe and Forsyth) and one WB SR 228 leg (Adams) in downtown.
-There are a lot of cut-out SR 115 shields on BGSs. Upwards of five.
-SR 116 is signed. SR 243 still is not, and neither is SR 23 where it intersects SR 21.
-A lot of the fluffy SR shields (like in the western Panhandle) invaded SR 13 south of the city. I hope those do not become the status quo; they look like puffs of popcorn with numbers in them.
-The C-110 shield is still up.
-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.
-When traveling "east" on I-295, at Exit 35, when you come up to US 17 and that old BGS states "End I-295, Begin SR 9A (cutout)", there is a JCT SR 9A assembly directly opposite of it, in the middle of construction. Guess you really can junction a same numbered road on the same numbered road.
-No exits are numbered on SR 9A yet. There are blank exit tabs on BGSs from Gate Parkway to probably SR 10. And one exit has an exit gore sign with a blank space, just ready for a pasted number.
-SR 212 is co-signed with US 90 beginning just west of the SR 9A interchange.
-SR 109's northern terminus is unremarkable. Just a pavement change, no signage at all.
-Going east on SR 152, there is advance signage stating, "End East SR 152, ½ mile"  (tab, tab, shield, tab). The last time I was at the eastern terminus of SR 152, Baymeadows just ended abruptly at a dirt drop-off. Now, the area has been built up.

[rickmastfan67]

-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.

Supposedly according to Don Drury in the Jacksonville office, this is the correct route for Alt-US-90.

Alt US 90 was built by the JTA as an alternate route not through downtown Jacksonville and connecting back to US 90/Beach Blvd.

Traffic Operations believes this is how it runs;

Union Street / State Street from I-95, Arlington Expressway, Southside Blvd to Beach Blvd.

Atlantic Blvd is not part of Alt US 90.

And then when I pointed it out to him that is was mis-posted on Atlantic in the field and on the 2006 Official Map, he said the following back to me:

Thanks for bring this to our attention.   

We'll see that the Official State of Florida map is changed to reflect Alt US 90 as it should be.

We will schedule removal of all signs on Atlantic Blvd and work to install any missing signs on the correct route.

However, this was all back on 2/21/07 that I talked to him.  And in '08, no changes had happened yet.

[florida]

Still no changes on Atlantic Blvd either. Still co-signed with Alt US 90.

I do remember there being a trailblazer for it off Beaver, and swear it was east of I-95. If they've done sidewalk-scaping there (which looks like it), they would have removed it. Unless it jogs up a street on the west side of I-95, but there is no signage out there, and only US 23 signage at I-95 on US 23 SB. When going west on State, just before Main is a sign stating "Alt US 90 LEFT LANE" and conveniently Laura is the next street after Main.