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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #75 on: August 20, 2018, 02:17:30 PM »

I responded and deleted realizing Roth was being sarcastic, but there are probably a number who won’t quit solely in order to spite governmental social engineering efforts.

Basically “I won’t quit smoking because it’s what government wants.”
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #76 on: August 20, 2018, 03:01:07 PM »

I responded and deleted realizing Roth was being sarcastic, but there are probably a number who won’t quit solely in order to spite governmental social engineering efforts.

Basically “I won’t quit smoking because it’s what government wants.”
I have a former coworker who refuses to wear a seat belt to spite governmental social engineering efforts.  Oddly enough, he did quit smoking.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #77 on: August 20, 2018, 04:14:49 PM »

I responded and deleted realizing Roth was being sarcastic, but there are probably a number who won’t quit solely in order to spite governmental social engineering efforts.

Basically “I won’t quit smoking because it’s what government wants.”

There are folks like that. I have an online acquaintance like that.

I used to have a libertarian contempt for the nanny-state and wouldn't wear a seatbelt. But I grew up.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2018, 04:25:48 PM »

I responded and deleted realizing Roth was being sarcastic, but there are probably a number who won’t quit solely in order to spite governmental social engineering efforts.

Basically “I won’t quit smoking because it’s what government wants.”
I have a former coworker who refuses to wear a seat belt to spite governmental social engineering efforts.  Oddly enough, he did quit smoking.

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.

Oddly, they ignore all the stories where someone survived because they were wearing one.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2018, 04:53:57 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.

Those stories exist?
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2018, 05:27:29 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.
Those stories exist?
I'm almost positive there's at least one story of someone who was in a car that ended up in a body of water and they were able to escape the car faster because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2018, 05:30:06 PM »

I responded and deleted realizing Roth was being sarcastic, but there are probably a number who won’t quit solely in order to spite governmental social engineering efforts.

Basically “I won’t quit smoking because it’s what government wants.”

There are folks like that. I have an online acquaintance like that.

I used to have a libertarian contempt for the nanny-state and wouldn't wear a seatbelt. But I grew up.
I wasn't crazy about bars going smoke-free in DC (I was a smoker at the time), but then I walked into a smoke-free bar, realized how pleasant it was, and got over it.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2018, 05:39:09 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.
Those stories exist?
I'm almost positive there's at least one story of someone who was in a car that ended up in a body of water and they were able to escape the car faster because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.

Or I hear stories about people who were ejected from their vehicle in a non-fatal manner and the way their car landed would have crushed them inside the vehicle had they been strapped in.

I've always felt it's a strange hill to die on (no pun intended). I've had arguments where I tried to explain scenarios of how not wearing a seat belt could affect other people, but they just go "fuck them, because 'freedom'". Whatever.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2018, 06:06:35 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.
Those stories exist?
I'm almost positive there's at least one story of someone who was in a car that ended up in a body of water and they were able to escape the car faster because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.

Or I hear stories about people who were ejected from their vehicle in a non-fatal manner and the way their car landed would have crushed them inside the vehicle had they been strapped in.

I've always felt it's a strange hill to die on (no pun intended). I've had arguments where I tried to explain scenarios of how not wearing a seat belt could affect other people, but they just go "fuck them, because 'freedom'". Whatever.
Oh right, or they were thrown clear and the car caught fire before they could have gotten out of the car had they had their seatbelt on.  Fortunately you don't have to believe in Darwinism for it to be true.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2018, 06:07:48 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.

Those stories exist?

Anecdotal evidence seems to have a habit of burying truth.

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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2018, 07:18:00 PM »

Those people always know the stories where someone survived because they weren't wearing a seat belt.

Those stories exist?

Anecdotal evidence seems to have a habit of burying truth.

Right well the issue is that there are circumstances where wearing a seatbelt can kill you, but these occur less frequently than the circumstances where wearing a seatbelt can prevent you from being killed. If you knew the exact nature of how you would crash before doing it you could make a decision on whether or not to wear your seatbelt accordingly but of course you can't know this. So you have to look at it as there's a risk either way, but if you wear your seatbelt the odds are more in your favor.


Meanwhile I know the reactionary stubbornness well - my dad always used to refuse to wear his seatbelt purely out of protest because he resented the existence of laws requiring it. He eventually gave up on this once it got to the point where cars would play annoying chimes if your seatbelt was off instead of just quietly turning a warning light on that was easily ignoreable.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2018, 07:29:04 PM »

He eventually gave up on this once it got to the point where cars would play annoying chimes if your seatbelt was off instead of just quietly turning a warning light on that was easily ignoreable.
So the annoying chimes worked, then.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2018, 07:51:32 PM »

He eventually gave up on this once it got to the point where cars would play annoying chimes if your seatbelt was off instead of just quietly turning a warning light on that was easily ignoreable.
So the annoying chimes worked, then.

Easily subverted by cutting the metal latches from an old seatbelt and inserting them inside the buckle. (Side effects may result in traffic citations, injury, dismemberment, or death. Ask a doctor or lawyer if cutting apart an old junkyard seatbelt is right for you.)

To be fair, there have been cases where the unbuckled survived, but in rare and unusual cases. Likewise, there's going to types of accidents where even a seatbelt won't help. But they're outside the norms of most traffic accidents. I hear some people grumble about whether a seatbelt will save you in an aircraft accident; there's plenty of incidents like runway over-runs, aborted takeoffs/landings, and stuff like collapsed landing gears which can cause injury from sudden motion or stopping...
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2018, 08:00:41 PM »

Standard medical visit question: "Are you wearing a seat belt?"  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2018, 08:25:27 PM »

On some newer cars I've discovered there are sensors in the passenger seats (not sure if all passenger seats or just the front one) so if the driver buckles but a/the passenger(s) don't, you get chimed at.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2018, 08:46:41 PM »

On some newer cars I've discovered there are sensors in the passenger seats (not sure if all passenger seats or just the front one) so if the driver buckles but a/the passenger(s) don't, you get chimed at.
Our 2013 Camry has chimes for the driver and front passenger seats.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2018, 08:49:48 PM »

(Side effects may result in traffic citations, injury, dismemberment, or death. Ask a doctor or lawyer if cutting apart an old junkyard seatbelt is right for you)
If your seatbelt is buckled for more than four hours, seek immediate medical attention.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2018, 08:52:30 PM »

On some newer cars I've discovered there are sensors in the passenger seats (not sure if all passenger seats or just the front one) so if the driver buckles but a/the passenger(s) don't, you get chimed at.
Our 2013 Camry has chimes for the driver and front passenger seats.

It is supposed to chime if the weight on the passenger seat is 40 pounds or greater. It's called a Passenger Seat Occupancy Detector/Sensor, and they became mandatory on new cars around 2005 or so.

There's been a few times I've had to buckle up my backpack.

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« Reply #93 on: August 21, 2018, 12:24:20 PM »

There's been a few times I've had to buckle up my backpack.

I usually just push it into the footwell if the warning light comes on.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #94 on: August 21, 2018, 01:45:53 PM »

Seat belts - The physics of someone being "thrown clear" from a non-convertible in a non-fatal manner simply do not exist.  likewise the amount of time it would take to remove a seat belt if one somehow crashed into water is measured in fractions of a second, and cannot have any effect on whether one is able to exit the vehicle or not.  Both are old saws tossed out by people who don't wear seat belts.  AKA stupid people.

Tobacco - Smoking cigarettes, which contain highly hybridized and machine processd tobacco and massive amounts of chemicals, causes cancer.  Snuff and chewing tobacco will rot your teath, but there is no real scientific evidence of much else it does.  Pipe tobacco and premium cigars, which are made only with natural tobacco without chemical additives, smoked in moderation (5-7 per week) have no scientific evidence of cancer risk.  Likewise, the FDA and its junk scientists have, despite their best efforts, never been able to prove that "second hand smoke" has any effect on health.  Sorry, that is just the way it is.

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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #95 on: August 21, 2018, 01:57:17 PM »

On some newer cars I've discovered there are sensors in the passenger seats (not sure if all passenger seats or just the front one) so if the driver buckles but a/the passenger(s) don't, you get chimed at.
Our 2013 Camry has chimes for the driver and front passenger seats.

It is supposed to chime if the weight on the passenger seat is 40 pounds or greater. It's called a Passenger Seat Occupancy Detector/Sensor, and they became mandatory on new cars around 2005 or so.

There's been a few times I've had to buckle up my backpack.

I'd say it's significantly lighter than that.  I've had it go off several times for whatever reason...which either taking said thing off or buckling the seatbelt resolves the issue.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2018, 02:20:59 PM »

Seat belts - The physics of someone being "thrown clear" from a non-convertible in a non-fatal manner simply do not exist.  likewise the amount of time it would take to remove a seat belt if one somehow crashed into water is measured in fractions of a second, and cannot have any effect on whether one is able to exit the vehicle or not.  Both are old saws tossed out by people who don't wear seat belts.  AKA stupid people.

Tobacco - Smoking cigarettes, which contain highly hybridized and machine processd tobacco and massive amounts of chemicals, causes cancer.  Snuff and chewing tobacco will rot your teath, but there is no real scientific evidence of much else it does.  Pipe tobacco and premium cigars, which are made only with natural tobacco without chemical additives, smoked in moderation (5-7 per week) have no scientific evidence of cancer risk.  Likewise, the FDA and its junk scientists have, despite their best efforts, never been able to prove that "second hand smoke" has any effect on health.  Sorry, that is just the way it is.
I will take the CDC's and the National Cancer Institute's words over yours on the dangers of secondhand smoke and cigars, including being carcinogenic.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2018, 02:33:04 PM »

Seat belts - The physics of someone being "thrown clear" from a non-convertible in a non-fatal manner simply do not exist.  likewise the amount of time it would take to remove a seat belt if one somehow crashed into water is measured in fractions of a second, and cannot have any effect on whether one is able to exit the vehicle or not.  Both are old saws tossed out by people who don't wear seat belts.  AKA stupid people.

Tobacco - Smoking cigarettes, which contain highly hybridized and machine processd tobacco and massive amounts of chemicals, causes cancer.  Snuff and chewing tobacco will rot your teath, but there is no real scientific evidence of much else it does.  Pipe tobacco and premium cigars, which are made only with natural tobacco without chemical additives, smoked in moderation (5-7 per week) have no scientific evidence of cancer risk.  Likewise, the FDA and its junk scientists have, despite their best efforts, never been able to prove that "second hand smoke" has any effect on health.  Sorry, that is just the way it is.
I will take the CDC's and the National Cancer Institute's words over yours on the dangers of secondhand smoke and cigars, including being carcinogenic.
I suspect the countless bartenders, casino dealers, etc. who’ve had to inhale secondhand smoke 8-12 hours a day for their entire careers have a different opinion on the dangers of secondhand smoke.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2018, 07:48:13 PM »

Smoke is smoke. Its toxicity doesn't change simply because someone else inhaled it first.
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Re: Washroom Atendants
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2018, 11:15:02 PM »

President Ulysses S. Grant was a cigar addict and died from throat cancer. Must have just been a coincidence.

But seriously, read the book "The Case Against Sugar" by Gary Taubes. He outlines the history of big tobacco and how they knew the link between tobacco as early as the 1920s but denied it. Basically, prior to the early 20th century, tobacco for cigars had nicotine but was hard to inhale, and tobacco from cigarettes was sweet but not addictive. After big tobacco got split into 4, RJ Reynolds ended up with a crapton of cigar tobacco and decided to blend it with the cigarette tobacco to get rid of it. In 1913 the Camel cigarette was born and had the sweetness plus the nicotine which made it addictive. Needless to say, they weren't complaining that people were getting addicted - was good for the bottom line. They knew as early as the 1920s that it was causing cancer but spent tons of money to cover it up. Finally in the 1960s people were catching on but it wasn't until the 1990s when it started being banned in airplanes and restaurants and public places.
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