Minor things that bother you

[Scott5114]

Keep in mind folks you're talking to the same guy who thinks global warming is a wonderful concept.

I mean at least he's walking the walk, living in Arizona now.

[vdeane]

Keep in mind folks you're talking to the same guy who thinks global warming is a wonderful concept.

I mean at least he's walking the walk, living in Arizona now.

I'm curious if that will affect his opinion.  His reasoning seemed to boil down to "Massachusetts is colder than I'd like, and global warming will make it warmer".  Now he's already living somewhere warm.

[Scott5114]

I'm curious if that will affect his opinion.

So was I:

Man, I wouldn't want to be in Palm Springs right now.


I would be interested to know if kernals12 [tag removed in quote] has changed his outlook on the climate now that he's experiencing things like 117° on the regular.

I loathe the cold. [...] Maybe climate change isn't so bad.

I haven't.

We'll see if that holds up through September, I guess. Heat that drags on and on has a tendency to get really old. (Speaking for myself, I find I don't mind the 100-110 range, but those two weeks of 110+ with a random 120 thrown in was a tad much. Definitely wouldn't want to live in a world where that was normal. But if fall is as beautiful weather-wise as spring is here, I'm totally down to pay for it with four months of hiding indoors from scary three-digit numbers.)

[Max Rockatansky]

Keep in mind folks you're talking to the same guy who thinks global warming is a wonderful concept.

I mean at least he's walking the walk, living in Arizona now.

He certainly didn't walk back his comments when asked about how he was liking the heat.

[jeffandnicole]

If it snows where he is, will that be claimed to be an effect of global warming?

[Max Rockatansky]

Certainly possible, I've experienced snow living in the Phoenix area.

[mgk920]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

[Max Rockatansky]

There was climate alarmists in the 1870s?

[Rothman]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

They've said that the overall trend shows that man-made climate change has been scientifically proven.

[Max Rockatansky]

Certainly didn't help during the 1870s that wooden structures and an almost complete lack of urban fire prevention strategies both were common.  Almost every town out here that was around in the era had at least one big fire.

[Rothman]

Then again, one needs to remember that areas like the Northeast were not as forested as they are now, due to wood being the primary fuel.  In NY, old timers used to say they were the generation that grew up with the trees...

[Max Rockatansky]

Interestingly when I was a kid in Connecticut you could see evidence of uniform growth in forested areas.  Most of my neighborhood had overgrown rock walls which used to line rural ranching properties. 

[Rothman]

Interestingly when I was a kid in Connecticut you could see evidence of uniform growth in forested areas.  Most of my neighborhood had overgrown rock walls which used to line rural ranching properties. 

The hilltowns of MA are littered with those rock walls as well.  It's little wonder why farming was abandoned in western MA outside of the very fertile Pioneer Valley.

[kurumi]

There's a fun book from 2004 titled "Stone by Stone: The Magnificent History in New England's Stone Walls" discussing this. The fields our ancestors wanted to farm were full of stones (and the earth would slowly surface "new" stones from underground). The stone walls served to mark boundaries and were a place to put all these stones.

At one time, Connecticut was nearly fully developed, by those standards -- even more so than today -- as all land that could be farmed was taken.

[Bruce]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

Any year can be much hotter or much cooler than usual. But with man-made climate change, the anomalies get more extreme and unpredictable, while the overall baseline for normal temperatures creeps upward.

[J N Winkler]

Back in the days when MTR used to receive frequent crossposts from alt.planning.urban, the abandonment of farmland in New England was used to buttress two arguments--"Sprawl is not a problem, since we have more open land now than we did 50 years ago" and "Stop sprawling farmers."

[Rothman]

There's a fun book from 2004 titled "Stone by Stone: The Magnificent History in New England's Stone Walls" discussing this. The fields our ancestors wanted to farm were full of stones (and the earth would slowly surface "new" stones from underground). The stone walls served to mark boundaries and were a place to put all these stones.

As someone who grew up in the forests of western MA as the son of a botanist determined to landscape our home's property and as someone who hiked over many of such walls:

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

;D

[kernals12]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

Any year can be much hotter or much cooler than usual. But with man-made climate change, the anomalies get more extreme and unpredictable, while the overall baseline for normal temperatures creeps upward.

That's not true.

[Rothman]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

Any year can be much hotter or much cooler than usual. But with man-made climate change, the anomalies get more extreme and unpredictable, while the overall baseline for normal temperatures creeps upward.

That's not true.

You either didn't read what you quoted or you didn't read the link that you linked.

[Max Rockatansky]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

Any year can be much hotter or much cooler than usual. But with man-made climate change, the anomalies get more extreme and unpredictable, while the overall baseline for normal temperatures creeps upward.

That's not true.

You either didn't read what you quoted or you didn't read the link that you linked.

He was too busy fawning over modern algorithmic programs branded as AI. 

[kernals12]

I'm curious if that will affect his opinion.

So was I:

Man, I wouldn't want to be in Palm Springs right now.


I would be interested to know if kernals12 [tag removed in quote] has changed his outlook on the climate now that he's experiencing things like 117° on the regular.

I loathe the cold. [...] Maybe climate change isn't so bad.

I haven't.

We'll see if that holds up through September, I guess. Heat that drags on and on has a tendency to get really old. (Speaking for myself, I find I don't mind the 100-110 range, but those two weeks of 110+ with a random 120 thrown in was a tad much. Definitely wouldn't want to live in a world where that was normal. But if fall is as beautiful weather-wise as spring is here, I'm totally down to pay for it with four months of hiding indoors from scary three-digit numbers.)

When I'm waltzing around in my shorts in December, I think my opinions will hold up.

[kernals12]

Back in the days when MTR used to receive frequent crossposts from alt.planning.urban, the abandonment of farmland in New England was used to buttress two arguments--"Sprawl is not a problem, since we have more open land now than we did 50 years ago" and "Stop sprawling farmers."

When I took my parents to the top of South Mountain, they found the view to the north, where you can see all of Phoenix, much better than to the south, which is the barren land belonging to the Gila River Indians.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm curious if that will affect his opinion.

So was I:

Man, I wouldn't want to be in Palm Springs right now.


I would be interested to know if kernals12 [tag removed in quote] has changed his outlook on the climate now that he's experiencing things like 117° on the regular.

I loathe the cold. [...] Maybe climate change isn't so bad.

I haven't.

We'll see if that holds up through September, I guess. Heat that drags on and on has a tendency to get really old. (Speaking for myself, I find I don't mind the 100-110 range, but those two weeks of 110+ with a random 120 thrown in was a tad much. Definitely wouldn't want to live in a world where that was normal. But if fall is as beautiful weather-wise as spring is here, I'm totally down to pay for it with four months of hiding indoors from scary three-digit numbers.)

When I'm waltzing around in my shorts in December, I think my opinions will hold up.

Those high speed winter valley winds (especially in the morning) might make you say otherwise. 

Back in the days when MTR used to receive frequent crossposts from alt.planning.urban, the abandonment of farmland in New England was used to buttress two arguments--"Sprawl is not a problem, since we have more open land now than we did 50 years ago" and "Stop sprawling farmers."

When I took my parents to the top of South Mountain, they found the view to the north, where you can see all of Phoenix, much better than to the south, which is the barren land belonging to the Gila River Indians.

And?  The Gila tribal council has quite the opposite opinion.  Even the Salt River tribal lands are mostly only developed on their parcels between Pima Road and Loop 101.  When I lived off Lincoln and Pima one of the best things was being able to run east into the barren desert along the Arizona Canal.

[kkt]

The fact that resealable bags of frozen vegetables aren't a thing.  When opening one you just have to hope and pray that it doesn't tear the wrong way and become impossible to wrap around so the remainder can be put back in the freezer.  I usually end up using scissors, especially since the bags my local grocery store uses are a harder plastic than most, making them difficult to open; they need more force, but that comes at the expense of control.  Seriously, how many people actually make an entire bag all at once?  A single bag can easily last me an entire week.

I open the bag with scissors, once I've taken out enough for one meal I roll the bag closed and then put a clothespin over the rolled top.

[kernals12]

And then what have the 'climate alarmists' said about the summers of 1870 and 1871, the very *HOT* and *DRY* years that preceded the great firesorms (1871-10-07) that leveled Chicago and the area around Peshtigo, WI, along with many other nearby places?  The Peshtigo fire was the single worst loss of life fire in USA history.

Mike

Any year can be much hotter or much cooler than usual. But with man-made climate change, the anomalies get more extreme and unpredictable, while the overall baseline for normal temperatures creeps upward.

That's not true.

You either didn't read what you quoted or you didn't read the link that you linked.

Bruce claimed that the weather would get more unpredictable thanks to global warming, my article says the opposite