Coronavirus pandemic

[Max Rockatansky]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

[SEWIGuy]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

[kalvado]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

One thing to keep in mind - while a regular person may mostly recover from the virus, top performing athlets may take a long time to recover to full breathing capability - if ever. So isolation price may be much more reasonable given that career is otherwise at stake

[tradephoric]

The first 5 NASCAR Cup races are no farther than 150 miles from the teams shops in Charlotte (2 Darlington races, 2 Charlotte races, 1 Bristol race).  The Michigan race on June 7th will be the first race where the teams will have to travel a significant distance from their race shops. 

[Max Rockatansky]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

[Max Rockatansky]

The first 5 NASCAR Cup races are no farther than 150 miles from the teams shops in Charlotte (2 Darlington races, 2 Charlotte races, 1 Bristol race).  The Michigan race on June 7th will be the first race where the teams will have to travel a significant distance from their race shops.

Yes, that was what I referring to when I said that they got buy in from a handful of states.  The stance that NASCAR took was that the teams don't get paid unless they race.  NASCAR has traditionally had no real employee collectiveness and only had one real push for a driver's union. 

[ftballfan]

I'm not so sure some of the measures taken made much of a difference.  Some states never fully shut down and had fatality rates well below states that did shut completely down.

That's a unfair comparison.  There's 6 counties in NJ that have a higher population than all of Wyoming.  New York City - just the city - has a higher population than 38 states.  So of course there should be states that fared better than others with fewer restrictions...because the restrictions wouldn't make any sense relative to their mostly rural populations..

During this whole thing, I made a comparison to New York City based on a bordering county to the one I live in that covers slightly more area than NYC.

NYC land area: 302.6 square miles
NYC population (2019): 8,336,817

Benzie County land area: 320 square miles (smallest county in Michigan by land area)
Benzie County population (2018): 17,753
Benzie County, last I heard, has a confirmed COVID-19 caseload in the single digits, and I think most of them have recovered by now.

[jeffandnicole]

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

The NFL schedule is often released in April.  The NBA and NHL schedules are often released in June.  It's not that the other leagues aren't serious about playing next year; they normally haven't released their schedules by this time anyway.

The NBA and NHL, along with MLB, are still trying to figure out how to finish their current seasons - they need to do it fairly, and are trying to do with it minimal travel.  There's another issue as well...without fans in the stands, it takes away a large source of income which is needed to pay the players, pay all the employees, and pay the arenas and parks they play in.

[74/171FAN]

The first 5 NASCAR Cup races are no farther than 150 miles from the teams shops in Charlotte (2 Darlington races, 2 Charlotte races, 1 Bristol race).  The Atlanta race on June 7th will be the first race where the teams will have to travel a significant distance from their race shops. 

FTFY.  Rumors are that the August weekend in Michigan will be a doubleheader if they get to race there.

[SEWIGuy]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

The NFL contract with the players association has no give-back provision should the league season be shortened though.  In other words, if the NFL has a season that even lasts one game, they would have to pay the contracts for players they do not want to cut.

[TravelingBethelite]

I'm not so sure some of the measures taken made much of a difference.  Some states never fully shut down and had fatality rates well below states that did shut completely down.

That's a unfair comparison.  There's 6 counties in NJ that have a higher population than all of Wyoming.  New York City - just the city - has a higher population than 38 states.  So of course there should be states that fared better than others with fewer restrictions...because the restrictions wouldn't make any sense relative to their mostly rural populations..

During this whole thing, I made a comparison to New York City based on a bordering county to the one I live in that covers slightly more area than NYC.

NYC land area: 302.6 square miles
NYC population (2019): 8,336,817

Benzie County land area: 320 square miles (smallest county in Michigan by land area)
Benzie County population (2018): 17,753
Benzie County, last I heard, has a confirmed COVID-19 caseload in the single digits, and I think most of them have recovered by now.

What point are you trying to make? New York City is one of the most densely packed cities in the world. Naturally anything that spreads virally is going to do so much faster in such an environment versus a much sparser area like Benzie County.

[Max Rockatansky]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

The NFL contract with the players association has no give-back provision should the league season be shortened though.  In other words, if the NFL has a season that even lasts one game, they would have to pay the contracts for players they do not want to cut.

But they do have that incentive to play though as that needs to actually happen for them to get paid.  Does that actually hold true in the other sports league or do they get paid anyways?   The NBA and NHL certainly would have some pay given their seasons were half over when they shut down.  Do MLB players get paid anyways, some, or not at all if there isn't a season? 

[SEWIGuy]

Regarding the 1968 pandemic it probably wasn't something that was big enough to overshadow the other news events domestically at the time such as Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.   It might be just my observation but it feels like the further back in time you go the more accepting generations tended to be that disease and death by it was just a part of life.  The modern 24/7 news cycle probably plays a much bigger factor than in why so much panic started with the current pandemic. 

I really doubt that's the case.  Things got shut down very severely in China and large parts of Italy as horror stories were coming out of those locations about hospitals being overrun, dealth toll, etc.  That had nothing to do with the 24/7 news cycle.

So when things started getting real bad in New York, and an NBA player contracted the virus and the NBA shut down its season, it made perfect sense for the US to follow the path of Italy and a good portion of Europe in shutting things down.

Regarding the 24/7 news cycle, I do believe that to an extent.  And it goes far beyond the CNNs and FOX News' of the world.  As people can post on social media, and much of that it opinion stated as fact, and much of that is posted by friends and friends of friends that supports their views, it just constantly encourages people to dig in even further on their believes and views.

It made perfect sense for the US to shut down, because if we didn't, we would've looked like some outcasts.  We *had* to shut down almost to save face.  And yet, some people think we should've shut down earlier, and some think we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did.

That's what makes this such a tough decision - no matter what, the majority of the people believe it was done wrong.  Even if 1/3 believe we should've shut down earlier, 1/3 believe we shouldn't have shut down to the extent we did, and 1/3 believe we did it the right way, that means 2/3rds of the population disagreed with what we did.

The biggest factor in media today that is different than at any other point in time is that regular people are part of in the form of social media platform.  Think about all the theories and conjecture that spawn from even the smallest media sensation, that absolutely carries some real world impact.  In cases like COVID-19 there wasn't many known facts early on so the internet got to work on coming up with their own theories, that doesn't usually bode well in terms not starting panics.  This thread itself is kind of a perfect example of said phenomenon. 

Either way this whole experience with COVID-19 will probably be really interesting retroactively.  It seems that this was the first really serious effort by society as a whole to control the spread of a pandemic that had some relative uniformity to it. 

Speaking of the NBA, man I'm really surprised they haven't resumed play with some of the European Soccer leagues have gotten going.  I thought NASCAR put together a pretty decent template with pit crews and PPE.  The bigger issue that the NBA, NHL, and MLB probably will have is finding a state/states that are willing to host them like NASCAR did.  While that might be possible out East in some states like Florida I couldn't fathom California being okay with sports right now. 

I think part of the problem is at what price are the players willing to come back - both salary wise and isolation wise.

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

The NFL contract with the players association has no give-back provision should the league season be shortened though.  In other words, if the NFL has a season that even lasts one game, they would have to pay the contracts for players they do not want to cut.

But they do have that incentive to play though as that needs to actually happen for them to get paid.  Does that actually hold true in the other sports league or do they get paid anyways?   The NBA and NHL certainly would have some pay given their seasons were half over when they shut down.  Do MLB players get paid anyways, some, or not at all if there isn't a season? 

MLB players agreed to a pro-rated salary based on the number of games played.  However owners are asking for more right now as they will lose more money without any paid attendance.  That is where negotiations are right now.

[Max Rockatansky]

Perhaps, if I recall correctly the NFL by comparison tends to hold more sway over it's players since the contracts aren't guaranteed.  I haven't looked into collective bargaining in the other three leagues in a long time but I believe that the players tend to be in far stronger positions than their NFL counterparts.  So far it really only seems to be the NFL out of the four mainstream American sports that has been serious about playing this year (which is evidenced by the schedule being released recently).

The NFL schedule is often released in April.  The NBA and NHL schedules are often released in June.  It's not that the other leagues aren't serious about playing next year; they normally haven't released their schedules by this time anyway.

The NBA and NHL, along with MLB, are still trying to figure out how to finish their current seasons - they need to do it fairly, and are trying to do with it minimal travel.  There's another issue as well...without fans in the stands, it takes away a large source of income which is needed to pay the players, pay all the employees, and pay the arenas and parks they play in.

I know that I'm hugely oversimplifying but isn't TV revenue the main source of incomes for most leagues these days?

[Max Rockatansky]

Barbershops can reopen in 47 California counties:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/26/california-to-allow-hair-salons-and-barbershops-to-reopen-in-majority-of-states-counties-gov-newsom-says.html

[Max Rockatansky]

My semi annual teeth cleaning for tomorrow ended up being cancelled.  Not that I'm shocked but it is kind of long in the game for cancellations since so many dentists have long since reopened.  One of my employees is going to the dentist this week and ended up getting a health screen call.  Apparently the big thing they wanted to know was if she had traveled outside the "local area."    Apparently the local area was the cited of Lemoore and Hanford which are both kind of back water.  She answered no and they confirmed the appointment anyways.  Is that now a thing with Doctor's visits and for stuff like dentistry?...or has it become common?

[ftballfan]

My semi annual teeth cleaning for tomorrow ended up being cancelled.  Not that I'm shocked but it is kind of long in the game for cancellations since so many dentists have long since reopened.  One of my employees is going to the dentist this week and ended up getting a health screen call.  Apparently the big thing they wanted to know was if she had traveled outside the "local area."    Apparently the local area was the cited of Lemoore and Hanford which are both kind of back water.  She answered no and they confirmed the appointment anyways.  Is that now a thing with Doctor's visits and for stuff like dentistry?...or has it become common?

The cancellation might be as much to deal with more emergent cases that have had to wait since mid-March. In Michigan, dentists finally get to open up statewide for non-emergency appointments this week. Nice to see that 47 of 58 counties in CA will allow hair salons and barbershops to reopen (including Sacramento, Fresno, San Diego, and SoCal outside of Los Angeles County), while Michigan has to wait until at least June 15 (and possibly even longer in Metro Detroit) for hair salons and barbershops to reopen, even in the rural parts of the state.

[Max Rockatansky]

My semi annual teeth cleaning for tomorrow ended up being cancelled.  Not that I'm shocked but it is kind of long in the game for cancellations since so many dentists have long since reopened.  One of my employees is going to the dentist this week and ended up getting a health screen call.  Apparently the big thing they wanted to know was if she had traveled outside the "local area."    Apparently the local area was the cited of Lemoore and Hanford which are both kind of back water.  She answered no and they confirmed the appointment anyways.  Is that now a thing with Doctor's visits and for stuff like dentistry?...or has it become common?

The cancellation might be as much to deal with more emergent cases that have had to wait since mid-March. In Michigan, dentists finally get to open up statewide for non-emergency appointments this week. Nice to see that 47 of 58 counties in CA will allow hair salons and barbershops to reopen (including Sacramento, Fresno, San Diego, and SoCal outside of Los Angeles County), while Michigan has to wait until at least June 15 (and possibly even longer in Metro Detroit) for hair salons and barbershops to reopen, even in the rural parts of the state.

They added a note that they would try to reschedule for June, so we'll see what happens.  I'm kind of curious to find out what will happen if they do a screen and I tell them I live in Fresno...since they are in Hanford.

Regarding the haircuts, I actually managed a trim with my wife helping out.  My hair cut is just a simple 4 and 2 on the sides, so it wasn't something that could be totally botched starting with the 4.  I'm not sure when or if my barber shop will open back up since it has to abide by far greater restrictions than the general populace does.

[Bruce]

My January dental exam/cleaning has been on hold after several attempts. Got sick the first time and postponed to a date that was just a day after the voluntary early shutdown (because of a COVID outbreak at the same clinic building). Now the backlog for appointments means I can't get anything until maybe September.

[GaryV]

My dentist texted that they are reopening June 1.  I wonder how long it will be before I can fit in my cancelled cleaning appt.

Still haven't heard from my eye doctor - the last they said is that they'd call when it was time to reschedule.

[Brandon]

For those discussing masks earlier, here's the New England Journal of Medicine on the subject:

Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era

As the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic continues to explode, hospital systems are scrambling to intensify their measures for protecting patients and health care workers from the virus. An increasing number of frontline providers are wondering whether this effort should include universal use of masks by all health care workers. Universal masking is already standard practice in Hong Kong, Singapore, and other parts of Asia and has recently been adopted by a handful of U.S. hospitals.
We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

The calculus may be different, however, in health care settings. First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection. Masking in this context is already part of routine operations for most hospitals.

It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers' perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask, particularly in light of the worldwide mask shortage, but it is difficult to get clinicians to hear this message in the heat of the current crisis. Expanded masking protocols' greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety, over and above whatever role they may play in reducing transmission of Covid-19. The potential value of universal masking in giving health care workers the confidence to absorb and implement the more foundational infection-prevention practices described above may be its greatest contribution.

[D-Dey65]

Well, the 100,000 death mark hit sooner than I thought it would.

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB14FYKn?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare

[Max Rockatansky]

Of note; my own workplace follows the 10 minute rule for exposure on contact tracing in regards to a confirmed COVID-19 case.  Apparently I need to go back, review footage, and determine all the people who would be within contact of a person who tested positive in the hypothetical scenario of a employee coming back positive.   That 10 minutes doesn't factor in if anyone is wearing masks or not. 

[GaryV]

The NEJM article reinforces what has been said.  A mask does not protect the wearer, absent the other PPE that hospital workers wear.  But it does provide at least some protection to others, particularly if the person with the mask is asymptomatic or has unrecognized symptoms.  That protection is most important the closer the people are to each other, and the longer they spend time together.

[kalvado]

Of note; my own workplace follows the 10 minute rule for exposure on contact tracing in regards to a confirmed COVID-19 case.  Apparently I need to go back, review footage, and determine all the people who would be within contact of a person who tested positive in the hypothetical scenario of a employee coming back positive.   That 10 minutes doesn't factor in if anyone is wearing masks or not.

Need to formalize the rules. If mask was indeed used, then questions come - was it properly worn? What kind of mask? Did it have exhaust valve?
Since we're not talking criminal conviction, there is no need to go "beyond reasonable doubt", so strong enough indication may be it.