Our Highways are NOT crumbling

[seicer]

2. I have convenient public transit near my home. In fact, it's in my driveway. And as the survey predicts, I do use it frequently.

check it out, this dude stole a bus

I didn't steal it, but it's a very small bus that only seats 5 passengers.

So it's not a bus, nor is it public transit. I'm sure it's not publically subsidized nor is it publically supported.

I'm sure you were joking but considering your disdain for transit...

[kernals12]

2. I have convenient public transit near my home. In fact, it's in my driveway. And as the survey predicts, I do use it frequently.

check it out, this dude stole a bus

I didn't steal it, but it's a very small bus that only seats 5 passengers.

So it's not a bus, nor is it public transit. I'm sure it's not publically subsidized nor is it publically supported.

I'm sure you were joking but considering your disdain for transit...

If I wanted to, I could become an uber driver and make it public transportation.

[seicer]

Uber is considered a vehicle for hire, or private/shared transportation, and is not public transportation.

[kernals12]

Isn't sad how our lack of investment in payphone infrastructure has left us dependent on cell phones?

[Max Rockatansky]

Isn't sad how our lack of investment in payphone infrastructure has left us dependent on cell phones?

Come to California then, they maintain pay phones at every Caltrans rest area.  There is also still a metric crap ton of call boxes. 

[kernals12]

Isn't sad how our lack of investment in payphone infrastructure has left us dependent on cell phones?

Come to California then, they maintain pay phones at every Caltrans rest area.  There is also still a metric crap ton of call boxes.

I was making a joke but yikes.

[Max Rockatansky]

Isn't sad how our lack of investment in payphone infrastructure has left us dependent on cell phones?

Come to California then, they maintain pay phones at every Caltrans rest area.  There is also still a metric crap ton of call boxes.

I was making a joke but yikes.

It's honestly hard to tell, especially in this thread. 

[Scott5114]

Isn't sad how our lack of investment in payphone infrastructure has left us dependent on cell phones?

Around here the payphones were all operated by Southwestern Bell, which became SBC, which became Cingular, which became the modern incarnation of AT&T. Ah, the private sector: meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[kernals12]

The transit boosters aren't just opposed to our cars. They also are opposed to personal flying vehicles and telecommuting. What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[US 89]

What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[citation needed]

[kernals12]

What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[citation needed]

I just linked to a letter written by several bay area politicians saying that telecommuting would interfere with their efforts to stuff people in 5 story apartments near train stations.

They are wistful for the days when only the rich could have lawns while everyone else lived in Dickensian slums.

[Roadgeek Adam]

OK, let's play to that theory. I'm a road and rail supporter. I heavily support both, though I tend to favour rail over road in some places due to costs.

The concept of rail transit does not control freedoms. Yes, roads are less structured and you can go more places. Rail still gets people to places who don't want to drive. What's a blind person supposed to do? Drive a car into a ditch every 5 feet?

Contrary to your belief, there are people whose freedoms are supported by rail. I didn't get my driver's license till I was 24. I had public transit I was happy to use. I still use lots and lots of trains.

[corco]

What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[citation needed]

I just linked to a letter written by several bay area politicians saying that telecommuting would interfere with their efforts to stuff people in 5 story apartments near train stations.

They are wistful for the days when only the rich could have lawns while everyone else lived in Dickensian slums.

What are you even on about - that letter says they don't support a Work From Home MANDATE - aren't you in support of people having choices? That letter suggests to me they want to expand options and freedoms that people have, including the freedom to not have to use a car.

[kernals12]

What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[citation needed]

I just linked to a letter written by several bay area politicians saying that telecommuting would interfere with their efforts to stuff people in 5 story apartments near train stations.

They are wistful for the days when only the rich could have lawns while everyone else lived in Dickensian slums.

What are you even on about - that letter says they don't support a Work From Home MANDATE - aren't you in support of people having choices? That letter suggests to me they want to expand options and freedoms that people have, including the freedom to not have to use a car.

The Bay Area Council of Governments suggested the mandate in order to reduce congestion and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They were doing their job in trying to improve the quality of life for Bay Area residents. But these politicians clearly think that the people should serve the government, not the other way around.

[Max Rockatansky]

You couldn't even make it one thread before dipping back into that Bay Area well to draw a point for one of your inane arguments?

[kernals12]

You couldn't even make it one thread before dipping back into that Bay Area well to draw a point for one of your inane arguments?

What can I say? The Bay Area is where all bad government policy seems to originate these days.

[corco]

What they really resent about the automobile is the freedom of mobility it has provided for the masses, undermining their efforts to control our lives.

[citation needed]

I just linked to a letter written by several bay area politicians saying that telecommuting would interfere with their efforts to stuff people in 5 story apartments near train stations.

They are wistful for the days when only the rich could have lawns while everyone else lived in Dickensian slums.

What are you even on about - that letter says they don't support a Work From Home MANDATE - aren't you in support of people having choices? That letter suggests to me they want to expand options and freedoms that people have, including the freedom to not have to use a car.

The Bay Area Council of Governments suggested the mandate in order to reduce congestion and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They were doing their job in trying to improve the quality of life for Bay Area residents. But these politicians clearly think that the people should serve the government, not the other way around.

A lot of people don't want to be mandated to work from home, just as you don't seem to want to be mandated to live in a tall urban rectangle. The letter calls for housing options for those who want the freedom to not work at home.

[Max Rockatansky]

You couldn't even make it one thread before dipping back into that Bay Area well to draw a point for one of your inane arguments?

What can I say? The Bay Area is where all bad government policy seems to originate these days.

Not that I'm one for defending the San Francisco Bay Area but a lot of your "theories" regarding it are complete garbage.  It certainly would mean a lot more if you actually had a real experience with the Bay Area, but you don't.  You clearly demonstrated in the Bay Area Tech Industry thread that you really don't know much of anything. 

[corco]

The Bay Area Council of Governments suggested the mandate in order to reduce congestion and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They were doing their job in trying to improve the quality of life for Bay Area residents. But these politicians clearly think that the people should serve the government, not the other way around.

What can I say? The Bay Area is where all bad government policy seems to originate these days.

This is quite the set of mental gymnastics you are engaging in.

[noelbotevera]

Alright, I know I shouldn't respond for the sake of my sanity, but I can't ignore this any longer. Call me an idiot if you must.

Let's make one thing abundantly clear, and I will repeat this five times.

Roads are not the answer to everything.
Roads are not the answer to everything.
Roads are not the answer to everything.
Roads are not the answer to everything.
Roads are not the answer to everything.

You cannot build a road from point A to point B and call a problem solved. Circumstances exist, such as poverty, that MAKE people unable to use roads. Sometimes, in these circumstances, you have to build things other than roads to get people from point A to point B.

[Scott5114]

You couldn't even make it one thread before dipping back into that Bay Area well to draw a point for one of your inane arguments?

What can I say? The Bay Area is where all bad government policy seems to originate these days.

Oh, cool, that's (finally!) enough to break the politics rule.