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Rothman

Was the study done in 2017 as well, or later on?
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Mapmikey

Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2026, 02:27:59 PMI wonder if they'll be doing something similar to US 19 (Lebanon and Tazewell) and US 460 (Richlands)? Those routes do not have border-to-border mile markers.

This makes sense.  Both of these routes have exit numbers on bypasses that start at 1 each time.

In addition to some routes that have had segment mile-marked (e.g. US 13, US 17, US 301), US 460 now has mile markers on several segments statewide.  US 360 now also has a chunk of them.

sprjus4

US-17 has milemarkers in Chesapeake between the North Carolina state line and I-64.

Same with VA-168 south of I-64.

VA-168 uses mileage based exit numbers, though the three freeway exits on US-17 do not.

Beltway

Quote from: Rothman on March 09, 2026, 04:36:06 PMWas the study done in 2017 as well, or later on?
In 2017. Asked them again 4 years later and it was still not interested.
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1995hoo

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 05, 2026, 10:31:46 AMVDOT is embarking upon the next phase of its project to revamp the US 1/Princess Anne Street/Hanson Avenue intersection in Fredericksburg. Unfortunately, this phase will include the removal of the now-erroneous but vintage overhead signs on southbound US 1 just over the Falmouth Bridge.

https://www.vdot.virginia.gov/news-events/news/fredericksburg-district/overnight-full-stops-on-route-1-near-falmouth-bridge-in-fredericksburg-next-week.php

VDOT tweeted that these signs are to come down tonight :-( , although who knows whether the wind might delay that.
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wriddle082

Quote from: hbelkins on March 09, 2026, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on March 08, 2026, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 08, 2026, 04:06:38 AM

VDOT to renumber the exits along US 23 in Norton and Big Stone Gap to mileage-based.

Exits 1 & 2 in Big Stone Gap --> exits 33 & 35
Exits 1 & 2 in Norton --> exits 42 & 44

Well I did not see US 23 getting mileage exit numbers coming. Maybe this is why VDOT put them in the traffic logs.

US 23 has had border-to-border mileposts (well, nearly border to border, the numbers cut off somewhere between Pound and the Kentucky state line) for about 20 years.

I think I did see mileposts today going down the mountain towards Pound (every 2/10 of a mile).  But the Exit 1's and 2's in Norton and Big Stone Gap are still there.

WahooBill

We need exit numbers on VA-288 here in Richmond.  30+ mile loop and no exit numbers at all.  VA-150 could use them as well.

The Ghostbuster

It seems unlikely to me that will happen, but if it does, the exit numbers should be mileage-based.

Takumi

Should really be a formality on both 288 and 150/895 since both now have mileposts.
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WillWeaverRVA

VDOT has updated its ArcGIS map for 2026 and I can't find any obvious changes. It still shows US 311 ending at SR 872 instead of at US 58, though.

https://www.virginiaroads.org/maps/77bd3dffa6e74d90be88800ee6de70c0
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Mapmikey

Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2026, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 05, 2026, 10:31:46 AMVDOT is embarking upon the next phase of its project to revamp the US 1/Princess Anne Street/Hanson Avenue intersection in Fredericksburg. Unfortunately, this phase will include the removal of the now-erroneous but vintage overhead signs on southbound US 1 just over the Falmouth Bridge.

https://www.vdot.virginia.gov/news-events/news/fredericksburg-district/overnight-full-stops-on-route-1-near-falmouth-bridge-in-fredericksburg-next-week.php



VDOT tweeted that these signs are to come down tonight :-( , although who knows whether the wind might delay that.

got back from SC today...can confirm they came down...

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 17, 2026, 12:34:27 PMVDOT has updated its ArcGIS map for 2026 and I can't find any obvious changes. It still shows US 311 ending at SR 872 instead of at US 58, though.

https://www.virginiaroads.org/maps/77bd3dffa6e74d90be88800ee6de70c0

So it looks like VA 402 is shown as ending at VA 420, which is odd because the VDOT traffic data showed it ending at VA 7 in 2024.
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1995hoo

#7687
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 18, 2026, 08:58:54 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on March 17, 2026, 12:34:27 PMVDOT has updated its ArcGIS map for 2026 and I can't find any obvious changes. It still shows US 311 ending at SR 872 instead of at US 58, though.

https://www.virginiaroads.org/maps/77bd3dffa6e74d90be88800ee6de70c0

So it looks like VA 402 is shown as ending at VA 420, which is odd because the VDOT traffic data showed it ending at VA 7 in 2024.

Perhaps interestingly, if you view the area in Google Street View, the street name in the upper left corner changes from "N Quaker Ln" south of the 420 intersection to "VA-402" north of it. The Wikipedia article about that route also lists the one end as being at that intersection.

Edited to add: Also interesting, if you open that traffic data spreadsheet, look at rows 404 and 405, listing traffic counts for the Seminary Road and Janneys Lane portions, respectively, of VA-420. Both rows refer to Quaker Lane at the intersection by the Episcopalian seminary as "SR 402 Quaker Lane."
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

noelbotevera

Photography trip that went a little farther than expected...

I picked up a lens at Ace Photo in Ashburn (Canon nFD 35mm f/2; bought it at $300 but will probably never see a price that good again), then made an effort to clinch Skyline Drive. I was missing the piece between US 33 and US 250, but started at US 211. I spent the evening driving Skyline Drive (took longer than I thought), then headed home via I-64 and I-81. Commence the notes!

  • The Leesburg Bypass was a bigger slog than I thought, and has more traffic lights than I remember. Apparently there's a bunch of development on Battlefield Parkway. US 15 also has some fresh rumble strips for the center line (there used to be none).
  • I must've missed this, but the VA 28/I-66 interchange no longer has traffic lights. In fact, I can't find any trace of the old interchange as it seems like the freeway was extended southward a little bit. Was this part of the I-66 Express Lanes project? I'm not west of Manassas often, so it was a surprise to me.
  • Speaking of the Express Lanes, they don't make it to US 15/Exit 40. Of course the 6 lanes stop there, but why not have an express exit to US 15? I guess most traffic to Warrenton would take US 29?
  • If Warrenton was cutout heaven, it no longer is. It seems like a bunch of signs were replaced, but some are old enough to refer to US 211 running through town.
  • US 211 being 4 lanes is a little surprising since it was practically empty (another road that's 4 lanes for some reason is VA 42 between Harrisonburg and Broadway).
  • If I had to nominate a favorite section of Skyline Drive, it's probably the US 33 to US 211 section. There's an equal amount of overlooks between west and east, though IMO the westward views are less interesting and more repetitive than the eastward views. I tried to shoot some twilight/sunset photos on film once I was south of US 33, but they'll probably be crap (was shooting at f/2 at 1/30).
  • Heading home, I-81 NB was closed at I-64. This required a detour onto VA 262, which is...not one of the best bypasses out there. While VA 37 has a crappy interchange with I-81 at one end (and doesn't even make it to I-81 at the other), VA 262 is a super 2 with two brutal traffic lights at the north end (at US 11 and I-81). The closure probably made things worse, and maybe this isn't normal.
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Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2026, 02:33:34 PM
  • I must've missed this, but the VA 28/I-66 interchange no longer has traffic lights. In fact, I can't find any trace of the old interchange as it seems like the freeway was extended southward a little bit. Was this part of the I-66 Express Lanes project? I'm not west of Manassas often, so it was a surprise to me.

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74/171FAN

QuoteI must've missed this, but the VA 28/I-66 interchange no longer has traffic lights. In fact, I can't find any trace of the old interchange as it seems like the freeway was extended southward a little bit. Was this part of the I-66 Express Lanes project? I'm not west of Manassas often, so it was a surprise to me.

Yes, it was.  That is so 2022 at this point.  :awesomeface:
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1995hoo

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2026, 02:33:34 PM.... US 15 also has some fresh rumble strips for the center line (there used to be none)....

That pleases me. About 18 years ago, a friend lost her father and brother on that road when they were hit head-on by someone who crossed the center line. (Yes, their accident was on the Maryland portion, but it still pleases me.)
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Beltway

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2026, 02:33:34 PMUS 211 being 4 lanes is a little surprising since it was practically empty (another road that's 4 lanes for some reason is VA 42 between Harrisonburg and Broadway).
US-211 was one of the highways in the 1,738 mile 1965 Arterial System designated for 4-lane expansion. It had a more central role connecting the Washington area to I-81 South before I-66 was completed in 1980.

14.5 miles of the 59 miles has not been widened. Two segments probably will not be, due to both cost and environmental issues.

US-211 Shenandoah Nat. Park, 5.0 miles, Reloc.      
US-211 GW Nat. Forest, 4.0 miles, Reloc.      
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Mapmikey

Quote from: noelbotevera on March 21, 2026, 02:33:34 PMIf Warrenton was cutout heaven, it no longer is. It seems like a bunch of signs were replaced, but some are old enough to refer to US 211 running through town.

Warrenton hasn't had cutouts in at least 35 years.  The older shields that existed when I moved to Northern Virginia in 1995 looked like the 2002 Tim Reichard photo below.  I tried to find US 211 signs without business banners through town on GMSV (2024/25) but didn't see any.  US 211 bypassed Warrenton in 1937 and the route through town was US 211 ALT until 1974.

Luray, however, had US 211 cutouts with no Business banners until fairly recently - https://maps.app.goo.gl/c9NoTg4cRUxiEfTd6


plain

Another toll increase for the Pocahontas Pkwy (VA 895). And no, this is not an April fools post.

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/henrico-county/toll-increase-pocahontas-parkway/
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: plain on April 01, 2026, 01:15:27 PMAnother toll increase for the Pocahontas Pkwy (VA 895). And no, this is not an April fools post.

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/henrico-county/toll-increase-pocahontas-parkway/

Maybe if they lowered the tolls, people would actually use 895 considering it actually serves its purpose thanks to VA 281 existing. Instead it becomes more and more of a boondoggle every year.
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#7696
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on April 01, 2026, 01:26:24 PM
Quote from: plain on April 01, 2026, 01:15:27 PMAnother toll increase for the Pocahontas Pkwy (VA 895). And no, this is not an April fools post.

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/henrico-county/toll-increase-pocahontas-parkway/

Maybe if they lowered the tolls, people would actually use 895 considering it actually serves its purpose thanks to VA 281 existing. Instead it becomes more and more of a boondoggle every year.

Nah, that makes too much sense. Which is why they can't make more cents.

The mainline toll is higher than every other toll in the metro COMBINED. Like literally, if you add up every mainline & ramp toll on all of the RMTA facilities, plus all tolls on the VDOT portion of the Powhite, it's still cheaper. This ain't NY or even MD.

The residents around here ain't feeling this at all.

And I still don't understand why the toll at the Airport exit is the same price as the Laburnum exit. The Airport exit toll should be half of (if not lower) the Laburnum exit.

The only toll that I can justify as being high in the entire state is the CBBT. And yes, I'm looking at you NOVA HOT lanes.
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sprjus4

#7697
$6.15 for 7 miles of roadway is absurd... but what's more absurd is $3.55 for 1.5 miles to connect from I-295 to the airport.

And even more absurd... $6.15 for 2.5 miles for most of that traffic using it as a link between I-95 and VA-5! That is $2.45 PER MILE.

And still no ramp from I-95 South to VA-895 East.

No wonder it is a failing roadway... 19,000 AADT between I-95 and VA-5, and less than 9,000 AADT east of there. The ramps to/from the airport and I-295 see less than 500 AADT.

WahooBill

All I can figure out is that enough people use it through an expense account or their company's EZPass, that they don't care what the cost is.  But for normal folks, $6.15 to get across the James River is highway robbery.  It's a shame the state can't buy it out, attach a $1.50 toll tops on the road, and actually make the road useful.

Beltway

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Quote from: sprjus4 on April 02, 2026, 12:09:53 PM$6.15 for 7 miles of roadway is absurd... but what's more absurd is $3.55 for 1.5 miles to connect from I-295 to the airport.
And even more absurd... $6.15 for 2.5 miles for most of that traffic using it as a link between I-95 and VA-5! That is $2.45 PER MILE.
And still no ramp from I-95 South to VA-895 East.
No wonder it is a failing roadway... 19,000 AADT between I-95 and VA-5, and less than 9,000 AADT east of there. The ramps to/from the airport and I-295 see less than 500 AADT.
19,000 AADT is up from the ~15,000 that prevailed from opening to about 2020, and it is hardly failing. I use it several times a month to get from Stratford Hills (near 150 & 76) to I-64 East and to the RIC airport. The toll is high but the only other freeway route is 76/195/95/64 and that winds thru the center of the city and has a toll of $1.80 itself. I read 3,900 AADT on the VA-281 airport connector (part of the 895 complex) and it also accesses growing light industrial development.

Route 895 never became the traffic magnet the planners hoped for, was funded as a PPP 92% privately funded, leading to the high tolls, but it absolutely has value. It's the fastest and most reliable James River crossing for anyone on I‑95 South, the best airport access for the entire southern corridor, a clean freight route, a critical redundancy crossing, middle circumferential freeway, built to Interstate standards, and the smoothest way to reach 295 and eastern Henrico. I use it several times a month because it consistently saves time and avoids the downtown and that reliability is worth the toll.

Route 895 crosses the James River on a 4,765-foot-long concrete box girder bridge that has a main span length of 730 feet, with 672 feet of horizontal navigational clearance and 145 feet of vertical navigational clearance over a 300-feet wide horizontal section, and the bridge's roadway has a maximum grade of 4.00%. This high clearance is necessary for ships heading to and from the Port of Richmond which is a mile north of the bridge. The highway is short in mileage but includes an expensive bridge which greatly added to the cost to build 895.

VDOT buying out 895 and making it toll-free wouldn't be hard -- the remaining bonded value is only around $150-$200 million. The real issue is long‑term maintenance of the James River bridge and viaducts. VDOT historically avoids taking over toll roads without a funding source, but 895 provides enough regional value -- airport access, redundancy, freight reliability -- that you can make a solid case it belongs in the state system and should eventually be toll‑free.

But for me -- do I want to drive it toll-free when that will take $150-200 million from other needed highway projects? Probably no.
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