Will Walmart ever fail?

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snowc

Quote from: kkt on April 29, 2022, 08:59:19 PM
I prefer shopping for myself.  If the store is out of what I really wanted, I want to figure out what to do instead, not trust that someone is going to make the same choice I would.

I started to do that, but now back to OGP.  :ded:
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US71

The Walmart Express stores failed.

Someday, Walmart may go the way of K-Mart or Target, but not today.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2022, 02:58:45 PM
The Walmart Express stores failed.

Karen Whiner: "The Walmart Stores are too big!"

Also Karen Whiner: "The Walmart Express Stores don't have everything I need. I'm just going to the regular Walmart".

kkt

Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2022, 02:58:45 PM
The Walmart Express stores failed.

Someday, Walmart may go the way of K-Mart or Target, but not today.

Wait, Target has gone the same way as K-Mart?

GCrites

Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 30, 2022, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 30, 2022, 02:58:45 PM
The Walmart Express stores failed.

Karen Whiner: "The Walmart Stores are too big!"

Also Karen Whiner: "The Walmart Express Stores don't have everything I need. I'm just going to the regular Walmart".

I think it was more that the Walmart Express stores were located in areas that don't like Walmart as much.

Scott5114

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Quote from: Scott5114 on April 28, 2022, 04:31:11 PM
If I don't have $35 to spend to satisfy an order minimum, I sure as hell don't have $6 to spend to get literally nothing out of it.

You can still buy stuff on Walmart but if its under $35, you have to pay an additional $5.99 for the below minimum fee.

If he doesn't have $35 to satisfy an order minimum, then he sure as heck doesn't have $6 to spend to get literally nothing out of it.

Yeah, that's his point.  What he would get in exchange for that $5.99 is literally nothing.  It's just an added fee.  A person who is in the financial position to not afford a $35 online order generally isn't in the financial position to pay $6 service fees.

I think he was saying he didn't have $35 worth of things to buy, not that he couldn't spend $35.  In any case, who wants to spend $6 for nothing?

I'm pretty sure "If I don't have $35 to spend" means exactly what it says–especially considering he had said ten days earlier, "most of the time the whole reason I'm under the order minimum is because I'm trying to get a few items to stretch things out until payday".

You're both right, honestly. My financial position hasn't been great since I left my last job–which I'm not complaining about, mind you, I still feel like it was the best decision to make–so if I have $25 to spend and need $15 worth of groceries, spending $21 on that $15 worth of groceries would be, in my view, a horrible financial decision. At the same time, even if I had $1000 to spend and only need $15 worth of groceries (and thus could afford the $6 fee), I would still rather save myself the $6 by going inside and picking the items myself–if I have $15 in my cart I can probably self-check or use an express lane anyway so it's not even going to be that much of a time saver.

Or to look at it through a sheer mathematical model–assuming I value my time at $15/hour, I would need to spend 24 minutes inside the store for the $6 fee to start making some degree of financial sense. (This is before you account for the fact that pickup takes a nonzero amount of time to accomplish too, so what you're really looking at is the difference between "time going in would cost you" and "time pickup takes".) And I'm pretty confident in my ability to buy less than $35 worth of groceries in 24 minutes, especially since I have the freedom to go to the store at 3 am if I wish.
I have started going back fully to OGP starting May 1, after a full blown argument with  :pan: my parents about going to the store after I did something wrong. I was on my phone doing my Phone Link. Moreover, this caused me to not go back to Food Lion and go to OGP instead.  :colorful:
Given the circumstances, I am now not allowed by my parents to shop at Food Lion with them, albeit going to Walmart OGP instead.  :banghead:

None of this is relevant to me since my parents don't really care where I shop or what I do with my money.
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snowc

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 30, 2022, 04:55:46 PM
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Quote from: snowc on April 29, 2022, 06:42:33 AM

Quote from: Scott5114 on April 28, 2022, 04:31:11 PM
If I don't have $35 to spend to satisfy an order minimum, I sure as hell don't have $6 to spend to get literally nothing out of it.

You can still buy stuff on Walmart but if its under $35, you have to pay an additional $5.99 for the below minimum fee.

If he doesn't have $35 to satisfy an order minimum, then he sure as heck doesn't have $6 to spend to get literally nothing out of it.

Yeah, that's his point.  What he would get in exchange for that $5.99 is literally nothing.  It's just an added fee.  A person who is in the financial position to not afford a $35 online order generally isn't in the financial position to pay $6 service fees.

I think he was saying he didn't have $35 worth of things to buy, not that he couldn't spend $35.  In any case, who wants to spend $6 for nothing?

I'm pretty sure "If I don't have $35 to spend" means exactly what it says–especially considering he had said ten days earlier, "most of the time the whole reason I'm under the order minimum is because I'm trying to get a few items to stretch things out until payday".

You're both right, honestly. My financial position hasn't been great since I left my last job–which I'm not complaining about, mind you, I still feel like it was the best decision to make–so if I have $25 to spend and need $15 worth of groceries, spending $21 on that $15 worth of groceries would be, in my view, a horrible financial decision. At the same time, even if I had $1000 to spend and only need $15 worth of groceries (and thus could afford the $6 fee), I would still rather save myself the $6 by going inside and picking the items myself–if I have $15 in my cart I can probably self-check or use an express lane anyway so it's not even going to be that much of a time saver.

Or to look at it through a sheer mathematical model–assuming I value my time at $15/hour, I would need to spend 24 minutes inside the store for the $6 fee to start making some degree of financial sense. (This is before you account for the fact that pickup takes a nonzero amount of time to accomplish too, so what you're really looking at is the difference between "time going in would cost you" and "time pickup takes".) And I'm pretty confident in my ability to buy less than $35 worth of groceries in 24 minutes, especially since I have the freedom to go to the store at 3 am if I wish.
I have started going back fully to OGP starting May 1, after a full blown argument with  :pan: my parents about going to the store after I did something wrong. I was on my phone doing my Phone Link. Moreover, this caused me to not go back to Food Lion and go to OGP instead.  :colorful:
Given the circumstances, I am now not allowed by my parents to shop at Food Lion with them, albeit going to Walmart OGP instead.  :banghead:

None of this is relevant to me since my parents don't really care where I shop or what I do with my money.
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Bruce

The shuttered Factoria/Bellevue Walmart. Meanwhile the same mall's Target is still going and Amazon just opened a new grocery store next door.



This leaves Seattle proper with no full-scale Walmarts within a 10-mile radius, as the next closest ones are in Renton and Lynnwood.
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Quote from: kkt on April 29, 2022, 08:59:19 PM
I prefer shopping for myself.  If the store is out of what I really wanted, I want to figure out what to do instead, not trust that someone is going to make the same choice I would.

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hbelkins

Walmart has done away with its "site to store" sales program. You used to be able to order something on their Web site and have it delivered to a store, free of charge usually within two days. This came in handy if your local Walmart didn't carry an item, but other locations did, or it was an online-only item. I used that service fairly often.

Looking online today at some things, those items said "two-day shipping" and "shipped to Jackson, 41339 by Thursday, May 5." (Jackson, of course, is where my office is and the location of the nearest Walmart, where I frequently shop and have selected as "my store" in my account.) But come checkout time, no "site to store" shipping option was available, and shipping to any address -- my home address, or my office in Jackson -- said "delivery by Tuesday, May 10."
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abefroman329

Quote from: hbelkins on May 03, 2022, 04:20:52 PM
Walmart has done away with its "site to store" sales program. You used to be able to order something on their Web site and have it delivered to a store, free of charge usually within two days. This came in handy if your local Walmart didn't carry an item, but other locations did, or it was an online-only item. I used that service fairly often.

Looking online today at some things, those items said "two-day shipping" and "shipped to Jackson, 41339 by Thursday, May 5." (Jackson, of course, is where my office is and the location of the nearest Walmart, where I frequently shop and have selected as "my store" in my account.) But come checkout time, no "site to store" shipping option was available, and shipping to any address -- my home address, or my office in Jackson -- said "delivery by Tuesday, May 10."
Do they have any of the pickup-only locations near you?

roadman65

Once upon a time everyone thought that Sears was going to be around long after the current era.  Look what happened to them?   Who would think that Kmart would ever be buying out Sears back then?  Heck I still wonder how a company who filed for Bankruptcy was able to pull that feat off?

Lampert must of convinced himself that he was JR Ewing and had a sister in law who dreamed about him for an entire year.
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snowc

And that my friend is how Walmart is failing big time.
Letting people spray paint graffiti in colorful sections like the hardware section.
Walmart will boot you out like its no tomorrow if you do that!  :-D
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kalvado

Quote from: roadman65 on May 04, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
Once upon a time everyone thought that Sears was going to be around long after the current era.  Look what happened to them?   Who would think that Kmart would ever be buying out Sears back then?  Heck I still wonder how a company who filed for Bankruptcy was able to pull that feat off?

Lampert must of convinced himself that he was JR Ewing and had a sister in law who dreamed about him for an entire year.
Serious mismanagement - with best intentions, evil intentions,  or just trying to pull whatever KPI is seen as best at that point and achieve short term goals - can quickly ruin any company.
Things may be a bit better at Walmart as the family retains 50+% of stock and may be looking more at long term perspectives, though.

snowc

Quote from: kalvado on May 04, 2022, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 04, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
Once upon a time everyone thought that Sears was going to be around long after the current era.  Look what happened to them?   Who would think that Kmart would ever be buying out Sears back then?  Heck I still wonder how a company who filed for Bankruptcy was able to pull that feat off?

Lampert must of convinced himself that he was JR Ewing and had a sister in law who dreamed about him for an entire year.
Serious mismanagement - with best intentions, evil intentions,  or just trying to pull whatever KPI is seen as best at that point and achieve short term goals - can quickly ruin any company.
Things may be a bit better at Walmart as the family retains 50+% of stock and may be looking more at long term perspectives, though.
The irony here is that I learned about KPI in class a couple months ago and Walmart needs to learn CRM better than Target or Chick Fil A, cause they are getting worse everyday.
The funny thing is, my father and I was talking about if Colonel Sanders or Sam Walton or Ray Kroc were still around, they would have these places shut down immediately.  :D
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kphoger

Quote from: roadman65 on May 04, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
Who would think that Kmart would ever be buying out Sears back then?  Heck I still wonder how a company who filed for Bankruptcy was able to pull that feat off?

Filed for bankruptcy more than once, if I remember correctly.

And I do remember when they filed for bankruptcy in the mid 00s, because I worked in the returns warehouse of a publishing company that sold product to Kmart's distributor at the time.  There was disagreement between two co-authors of a book series about whether they should get commission on the sales of the product included in all those pallets of returns (because the publishing house had indeed sold it) or should not get commission based on it (because the company that bought it could no longer be expected to get it into the hands of an actual customer).

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kphoger

Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 11:28:43 AM
And that my friend is how Walmart is failing big time.
Letting people spray paint graffiti in colorful sections like the hardware section.
Walmart will boot you out like its no tomorrow if you do that!

If they "will boot you out like its no tomorrow if you do that", then they aren't exactly "letting people" do it, are they?

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roadman65

Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: kalvado on May 04, 2022, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 04, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
Once upon a time everyone thought that Sears was going to be around long after the current era.  Look what happened to them?   Who would think that Kmart would ever be buying out Sears back then?  Heck I still wonder how a company who filed for Bankruptcy was able to pull that feat off?

Lampert must of convinced himself that he was JR Ewing and had a sister in law who dreamed about him for an entire year.
Serious mismanagement - with best intentions, evil intentions,  or just trying to pull whatever KPI is seen as best at that point and achieve short term goals - can quickly ruin any company.
Things may be a bit better at Walmart as the family retains 50+% of stock and may be looking more at long term perspectives, though.
The irony here is that I learned about KPI in class a couple months ago and Walmart needs to learn CRM better than Target or Chick Fil A, cause they are getting worse everyday.
The funny thing is, my father and I was talking about if Colonel Sanders or Sam Walton or Ray Kroc were still around, they would have these places shut down immediately.  :D

I know Walt Disney wouldn’t approve of what the Reedy Creek Improvement District is become if he were around.  I don’t think he would allow Eisner to be CEO when he was either.
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Please, these founders wouldn't care if the profits were continuously rolling in, unless they were on some seriously strong medications while in their death beds.

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US71

Has anyone else's Walmarts remodeled to eliminate all but 2 manned checkouts? Everything here is self checkout with 2 manned checkouts that aren't always open.

The Neighborhood Market hasn't does this (yet)
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jakeroot

Quote from: Bruce on May 01, 2022, 02:47:51 AM
The shuttered Factoria/Bellevue Walmart. Meanwhile the same mall's Target is still going and Amazon just opened a new grocery store next door.



This leaves Seattle proper with no full-scale Walmarts within a 10-mile radius, as the next closest ones are in Renton and Lynnwood.

Last I checked, the Factoria Walmart was not a full-scale Walmart, as it had no grocery section (basically the opposite of the Neighborhood Market Walmart in Bellevue). So I believe the Renton Walmart had been the closest full-scale Walmart for a while now.

snowc

Quote from: US71 on May 04, 2022, 04:29:20 PM
Has anyone else's Walmarts remodeled to eliminate all but 2 manned checkouts? Everything here is self checkout with 2 manned checkouts that aren't always open.

The Neighborhood Market hasn't does this (yet)
Ours has. Now renovating to include only self checkouts
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US71

Quote from: snowc on May 04, 2022, 06:03:24 PM
Quote from: US71 on May 04, 2022, 04:29:20 PM
Has anyone else's Walmarts remodeled to eliminate all but 2 manned checkouts? Everything here is self checkout with 2 manned checkouts that aren't always open.

The Neighborhood Market hasn't does this (yet)
Ours has. Now renovating to include only self checkouts

They will  likely have 1 or 2 "regular" checkouts, but mostly self checkouts, If I shop there, I deliberately choose a manned checkout.
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hbelkins

Quote from: US71 on May 04, 2022, 04:29:20 PM
Has anyone else's Walmarts remodeled to eliminate all but 2 manned checkouts? Everything here is self checkout with 2 manned checkouts that aren't always open.

The Neighborhood Market hasn't does this (yet)

I realize it's an anomaly, because it's one of the old-style Walmarts that isn't a Supercenter, but the one in Jackson, Ky., has no self-checkouts.
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