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My challenges with the streaming services

Started by ZLoth, July 12, 2023, 11:16:16 AM

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brad2971

Quote from: vdeane on August 05, 2023, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on August 05, 2023, 08:52:15 AM
To a lot of people, when it comes to non-pay TV viewing, the "downsides of internet delivery and the fracturing of the market due to streaming" are still considerably better than fooling around with an indoor (or outdoor) Over-The-Air antenna. The only thing FAST apps don't give us as of yet are the occasional sports, and I could easily see CBS/Paramount Global put a Big10 game or two on college football Saturdays on PlutoTV. CBS has part of the Big10 contract, and since the Big10 is now up to 18 teams, that's that much more sports content to put on PlutoTV in addition to Paramount+.
What about the local news and broadcast prime time programming?  I don't believe the OTA networks are free to stream anywhere.  At least not legally.

Sling Freestream currently has access to ABC, CBS, even the English version of Al Jazeera when it comes to news viewing. Now, when it comes to LOCAL news, the various TV station affiliate owners have their own news apps, though it's not live.


vdeane

Quote from: SP Cook on August 06, 2023, 01:12:59 PM
This is correct.  The Hollywood unions live in a fantasy world where the basic rules of economics do not apply. 

Not that long ago, this was not that different from any other industry.  In a linear system, if there is no new movie to show next week, the theatre is closed; if there is no new show to broadcast, then the TV station has to make do with filler programming.  Not that different from an auto strike or a steel strike or so on.

In a non-linear system, it will take YEARS for them to run out of material, and the only profitable streaming service (Netflix) sources much of its material outside of the Hollywood union's jurisdiction anyway.   

So, these unions make linear TV look bad (this fall will feature game shows, faux reality shows, news commentary, reruns and sports), and the movies look bad; while the streaming services can just sit back and wait, unaffected and perhaps even enhanced by this strike.  The truth the unions don't understand is that TV and movies are mega profitable, so profitable they can pay insane 1%er wages to even minor stars and even to writers.  Meanwhile, streaming, it is clear, simply is not a thing that can make money.  And if they don't make money, the employees don't make money.
Meanwhile, the companies exist in an economic fantasy world where they can plow fully into streaming despite the fact that it doesn't make money and where they can pay writers and most actors (those who aren't big-name stars) peanuts (to the point where many are simply leaving the business because they can't make a living any more) and somehow make a profit.

Quote from: brad2971 on August 06, 2023, 02:59:25 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 05, 2023, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on August 05, 2023, 08:52:15 AM
To a lot of people, when it comes to non-pay TV viewing, the "downsides of internet delivery and the fracturing of the market due to streaming" are still considerably better than fooling around with an indoor (or outdoor) Over-The-Air antenna. The only thing FAST apps don't give us as of yet are the occasional sports, and I could easily see CBS/Paramount Global put a Big10 game or two on college football Saturdays on PlutoTV. CBS has part of the Big10 contract, and since the Big10 is now up to 18 teams, that's that much more sports content to put on PlutoTV in addition to Paramount+.
What about the local news and broadcast prime time programming?  I don't believe the OTA networks are free to stream anywhere.  At least not legally.

Sling Freestream currently has access to ABC, CBS, even the English version of Al Jazeera when it comes to news viewing. Now, when it comes to LOCAL news, the various TV station affiliate owners have their own news apps, though it's not live.
I don't think that's the same as what's available on the OTA networks, though.  ABC News Live doesn't carry programs like ABC World News Tonight or This Week.  Nor does it have the prime time programming.  If you want to watch any of that, you need to go to Hulu and wait a few hours, even for the news programs (to the point where I question why anyone would stream World News Tonight, since it doesn't drop until close to midnight around here).
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Scott5114

Quote from: SP Cook on August 06, 2023, 01:12:59 PM
The Hollywood unions live in a fantasy world where the basic rules of economics do not apply. 

The basic rules of economics don't even apply to the actual world we live in.

The economy would do well to remember it is a fictional construct that was created by people, and it can be destroyed by people if it stops serving their needs.
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Bruce

Quote from: SP Cook on August 05, 2023, 11:21:54 AM
There will never be live major sports on FAST.  They are paying millions and want you to pay them back.  They are not going to give it to you for free.

CBS has one for soccer (CBS Sports Golazo) that has aired live matches, including tactical cams for matches on CBSN.
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Quote from: SP Cook on August 06, 2023, 01:12:59 PMThis is correct.  The Hollywood unions live in a fantasy world where the basic rules of economics do not apply.

From this perspective, the entertainment industry (movies, television, books, music, live performances, etc) needs me more as a consumer willing to spend their time and disposable income. Right now, my time is spent keeping my job, taking care of my mother, and maintaining my home and vehicles. This leaves precious little time to sit down for 30 minutes and watch a sitcom, never mind a 90 minute to three hour movie.
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thspfc

Quote from: mgk920 on August 06, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I also cannot find the thread where this comment is truly germane, but I do note that the top three titles in this week's Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart are all country songs, with number 1 being Jason Aldean's 'Try That In A Small Town'.  Interesting.

Mike
The song is awful, but clearly people aren't realizing that all their whining about it is only exposing it to more people and making it bigger. At this point it's the biggest country song of the year.

triplemultiplex

Any idiot can write a hit country song.  Just something about America, drinking whiskey; throw in a few 'yee-haws' and a twangy guitar solo and the wannabe hicks will eat it up.
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mgk920

Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 07, 2023, 11:34:33 AM
Any idiot can write a hit country song.  Just something about America, drinking whiskey; throw in a few 'yee-haws' and a twangy guitar solo and the wannabe hicks will eat it up.

Don't forget ample references to the dog, pickup truck and pretty lady.

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tchafe1978

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2023, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 06, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I also cannot find the thread where this comment is truly germane, but I do note that the top three titles in this week's Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart are all country songs, with number 1 being Jason Aldean's 'Try That In A Small Town'.  Interesting.

Mike
The song is awful, but clearly people aren't realizing that all their whining about it is only exposing it to more people and making it bigger. At this point it's the biggest country song of the year.

Besides, the song isn't even accurate at all. "Carjack an old lady at a red light"? I live in a small town of under 1000 people, and there is no red light. Only a red flashing beacon at the 3-way stop. So Aldean would have to change the lyrics (which he didn't even write) to "Carjack an old lady at the 3-way". And then we all know the jokes that would bring on! So yeah, try THAT in a small town!

thspfc

Quote from: tchafe1978 on August 08, 2023, 09:39:45 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2023, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 06, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I also cannot find the thread where this comment is truly germane, but I do note that the top three titles in this week's Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart are all country songs, with number 1 being Jason Aldean's 'Try That In A Small Town'.  Interesting.

Mike
The song is awful, but clearly people aren't realizing that all their whining about it is only exposing it to more people and making it bigger. At this point it's the biggest country song of the year.

Besides, the song isn't even accurate at all. "Carjack an old lady at a red light"? I live in a small town of under 1000 people, and there is no red light. Only a red flashing beacon at the 3-way stop. So Aldean would have to change the lyrics (which he didn't even write) to "Carjack an old lady at the 3-way". And then we all know the jokes that would bring on! So yeah, try THAT in a small town!
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder. A eye for an eye is one thing, but an eye for a fingernail is another.

The people who defend the song say it's about self defense, but if you listen to it that's clearly not how it's written.

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hbelkins

Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder.

{insert eyeroll emoji here...}
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thspfc

Quote from: hbelkins on August 08, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder.

{insert eyeroll emoji here...}
Why?

TheHighwayMan3561

Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2023, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 06, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I also cannot find the thread where this comment is truly germane, but I do note that the top three titles in this week's Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart are all country songs, with number 1 being Jason Aldean's 'Try That In A Small Town'.  Interesting.

Mike
The song is awful, but clearly people aren't realizing that all their whining about it is only exposing it to more people and making it bigger. At this point it's the biggest country song of the year.

It's kind of a Streisand effect in that regard. It was the same thing that happened to Chick-fil-A when controversy over their politics went viral and it brought them more business than they'd ever had.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 08, 2023, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 07, 2023, 09:12:25 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 06, 2023, 02:11:14 PM
I also cannot find the thread where this comment is truly germane, but I do note that the top three titles in this week's Billboard Hot 100 Singles chart are all country songs, with number 1 being Jason Aldean's 'Try That In A Small Town'.  Interesting.

Mike
The song is awful, but clearly people aren't realizing that all their whining about it is only exposing it to more people and making it bigger. At this point it's the biggest country song of the year.

It's kind of a Streisand effect in that regard. It was the same thing that happened to Chick-fil-A when controversy over their politics went viral and it brought them more business than they'd ever had.

I just like the people that would comment on their social media that they stand with Jason Aldean. These people often didn't even like country music, and by now have probably even forgotten what the song was and if you try playing it for them they would probably give you shit for playing country music

Scott5114

I tried a lot of things in a small town (purchase a hamburger, not have sand in the municipal water supply, be taught anything useful, play chess, have cable internet, etc.) and failed at most of them because the town was too shit to support the things I was trying to do.

Small towns are shit.
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ZLoth

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2023, 07:38:48 PMI tried a lot of things in a small town (purchase a hamburger, not have sand in the municipal water supply, be taught anything useful, play chess, have cable internet, etc.) and failed at most of them because the town was too shit to support the things I was trying to do.

Small towns are shit.

It depends on what you define as a small town and where its located compared to larger population centers and how far away from a major interstate or US highway. I agree with your assertion... especially with some of the micro-towns.

Welcome to Breezewood, PA... the parking lot between I-70 and I-70.

zachary_amaryllis

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
I tried a lot of things in a small town (purchase a hamburger, not have sand in the municipal water supply, be taught anything useful, play chess, have cable internet, etc.) and failed at most of them because the town was too shit to support the things I was trying to do.

Small towns are shit.

This town has like 300 full-time residents, maybe 500 during the summer. Mostly a bunch of old hippies, or descendants thereof (like me), so we just sorta all get along.
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hbelkins

Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 08, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder.

{insert eyeroll emoji here...}
Why?

Advocating murder? Seriously?
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JayhawkCO

Quote from: hbelkins on August 09, 2023, 03:52:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 08, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder.

{insert eyeroll emoji here...}
Why?

Advocating murder? Seriously?

Quote from: Jason Aldean
Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you're tough
...
Got a gun that my granddad gave me
...
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long

Yeah, I think that could be argued.

thspfc

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 09, 2023, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 09, 2023, 03:52:22 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 08, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 08, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
My issue with it is that it advocates for premeditated murder in response to crimes that are not murder.

{insert eyeroll emoji here...}
Why?

Advocating murder? Seriously?

Quote from: Jason Aldean
Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you're tough
...
Got a gun that my granddad gave me
...
Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won't take long

Yeah, I think that could be argued.
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bugo

At the very least, this song promotes violence. It furthers harmful stereotypes of cities and those who live in them, and paints a picture that they are literally on fire, consumed by chaos and ruled by lawless anarchy. That is simply not true in most places. Folks from small towns who have never lived or spent much time in cities actually believe this way, and this song encourages their beliefs that are based on ignorance and outright lies. There are valid arguments that this song isn't racist and that it doesn't promote murder, but there is no question that it is divisive, violent and full of falsehoods.

The truncated lyrics which Jayhawkco posted take the line about guns out of context. If you read the entire verse, it is about gun control, not murder. I'm not defending it because I think it's a piece of shit song both musically and lyrically, but he left out several lines that put the gun phrase into context. You could take pretty much any song and leave words out that would completely change the meaning of the lyrics. There is plenty to criticize about the song, so there's no need to put words in the songwriters' mouths that aren't there or to leave them out, changing the meaning of the song.

I grew up in a small town, and they didn't "take care of our own". They treated anybody who was different in any way like shit, and a lot of them don't like helping others out in any way. "Good Christians" who got theirs, so fuck everyone else. The poors are only poor because they aren't righteous enough. Scott was right, small towns suck. But the town he grew up in is close to a city. The town I grew up in was secluded. It's an hour and a half from both Hot Springs and Fort Smith, and the roads are curvy, hilly, choked with trucks and dangerous. When I was a kid, we didn't have peer to peer software, torrents, Spotify or Pandora. If we wanted to hear music, we had to either buy the CD or cassette or listen to the radio. There are mountains in every direction, so radio reception was poor, and they didn't play much music that I liked anyway. I had to drive to either of those towns (or Little Rock) to buy music. Mena didn't have a record store, so it was difficult as a music-crazy teenager to hear new music. There is a Walmart there, but back in the early 1990s, Walmart sold bowdlerized "clean" versions of CDs and cassettes, so I didn't like buying them there. They never carried that much music to begin with, and I had no interest in 90% of it.

Aldean didn't even write the song. It was written by Kelley Lovelace, Neil Thrasher, Tully Kennedy, and Kurt Allison, four rent-a-song Nashville songwriters. For some reason, a lot of country singers don't write their own songs. They're not talented enough. Writing songs is easy.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: bugo on August 09, 2023, 04:34:59 PM
The truncated lyrics which Jayhawkco posted take the line about guns out of context. If you read the entire verse, it is about gun control, not murder. I'm not defending it because I think it's a piece of shit song both musically and lyrically, but he left out several lines that put the gun phrase into context. You could take pretty much any song and leave words out that would completely change the meaning of the lyrics. There is plenty to criticize about the song, so there's no need to put words in the songwriters' mouths that aren't there or to leave them out, changing the meaning of the song.

Admittedly, you're right, re: me taking it somewhat out of context. I apologize for that.

That said, the introduction of the topic guns to the lyrics don't have anything to do with the rest of the verses. So, it's almost like he brought up 2nd Amendment stuff just so he got to verbally lift up his shirt showing a gun in his waistband, so to speak.



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