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AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« on: February 12, 2009, 10:41:20 PM »

You may update your FHWA Gothic vs. Clearview page to reflect that Wyoming now uses Clearview extensively on Interstate signage
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 12:17:58 AM »

I'll add that to my update queue, thanks!

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 10:07:00 AM »

And California does not use Clearview on all new signs, although it does on some.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 12:30:01 PM »

Well it does display "a few exceptions are found", though I guess I could elaborate and say "only in Orange County on the 5"

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 12:36:44 PM »

Out here in the Sacramento environs, all new CalTrans signs are still using the FHWA font; but the community of Arden (an unincorporated suburb in Sacramento County) is now using Clearview for most (but not all) street signs.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 04:22:25 PM »

A couple of signalized intersections in Anaheim have the street name displayed in Clearview.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 02:58:48 AM »

Illinois uses Clearview on more than interstates.  Example from IL 15:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.548803,-90.068364&spn=0,359.956055&z=15&layer=c&cbll=38.548867,-90.068464&panoid=WnBex2X85qfe-tvjtCVFrg&cbp=12,119.61506026191437,,0,-28.866714067377437
I'm pretty sure there are a few distance signs on Illinois's state highways that use Clearview now.  The city of O' Fallon uses Clearview on street signs.

For Missouri, the only Clearview signs on a MoDOT maintained road are the destination/attraction signs around the KC Loop (such as the one pictured on the page), barring any recent changes I'm not aware of.  The city of Kirkwood also uses Clearview for street signs now.

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 11:24:12 PM »

Virginia is using Clearview on newly installed or replaced signage on all state-maintained routes (overheads, guide signs, even town limits signs). It's still using FHWA fonts for numbers within shields on those signs, though.

An interesting side note: the City of Richmond (which maintains all non-interstate highways in Richmond) is using Clearview on newer signs, even on tabs at intersections. It also used Clearview on all signage on the Powhite Parkway within Richmond, which is owned, maintained, and administered by the Richmond Metropolitan Authority between VA 150 and I-195.

I'm going down there tomorrow morning so I'll probably have photos.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 11:25:45 PM »

The standard, except for some signs in Michigan, appears to be clearview on everything but the numbers within the shield.

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 03:53:29 AM »

Oklahoma uses Clearview statewide, on all new BGSes, as far as I know.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 01:13:29 PM »

The page is updated to reflect many of the comments above about the use of Clearview in each state. Thanks.



I was working on a Ramp Meter page of similar design if anyone is ever interested in helping me finish that.

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 03:09:17 PM »

Oklahoma uses Clearview statewide, on all new BGSes, as far as I know.
After taking a trip to the Tulsa & Muskogee area this past weekend, I can confirm this. Signs along I-44 from the Turner Turnpike end to I-244 & on I-244 from I-44 (western junction) to downtown Tulsa are all in Clearview. Also, the Muskogee Turnpike has new Clearview signs throughout. Pictures are on my Flickr page.  :)

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 03:10:36 PM »

Like this?


Yes, I've looked at your ramp meter page many times over the years. What I wanted to do was make a page that complimented yours with some examples of the different kinds of assemblies used throughout the country. When I lived in California, I had to get used to ramp meters, and thats when my curiosity in them was born. Since then I make it a point to at least photograph one assembly per new city encountered. I saw my first ramp meter in the Atlanta area late last year for instance.

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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 12:55:16 AM »

Regarding the ramp meter pages, the only ramp meter ever active in St. Louis (that I know of) was removed a little while back before the eastern section of US 40 closed.  Picture:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.629117,-90.308905&spn=0,359.989014&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.629086,-90.309014&panoid=-SSX3jQQVP3r-AkCNIQ-dQ&cbp=12,313.6969258344168,,0,5.000000000000001

There were also several put up along US 40 in/around the Chesterfield Valley that were never turned on and later taken down.  Supposedly widening the highway to six lanes made them unnecessary.  Most of the bases still remain:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.662274,-90.569937&spn=0,359.978027&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.662145,-90.569792&panoid=o4mU2cmAIKfzwKbk27spRQ&cbp=12,29.214957068303928,,0,8.155283919320878
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.671372,-90.616286&spn=0,359.978027&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.671414,-90.616175&panoid=LYxY_175e3KY4MRqd65jsA&cbp=12,128.25139743622913,,0,28.24392487233049
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.67886,-90.658922&spn=0,359.978027&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.678923,-90.659017&panoid=ZR6_U6-QFEjSe8WfNnaRcQ&cbp=12,344.12451032033124,,0,18.35736859179172
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.671104,-90.602252&spn=0,359.989014&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.671063,-90.602577&panoid=cbTE1QpNP4SU4l1w48mkcA&cbp=12,266.25386424497765,,0,16.14866984826711
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.669931,-90.596116&spn=0,359.989014&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.669963,-90.595775&panoid=omAmMVp4fBskck5H7FlYyg&cbp=12,99.98964927595905,,0,13.519266582166368
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 09:32:30 PM »

For Wisconsin - there are ramp meters on a few exits on the Madison beltline (US 12/14/18/151)
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 04:59:42 PM »

Still no Clearview in Nevada that I'm aware of.  I don't think there are any plans to change that.

I was working on a Ramp Meter page of similar design if anyone is ever interested in helping me finish that.

Some info on Las Vegas, NV ramp meters:

I-15 - Russell Rd to Sahara Ave: meters activated early 2007.
I-515 - I-15 to Eastern (and maybe further south): meters activated in 2007-08
US 95 - Lake Mead & Cheyenne (SB ramps): activated 2008
US 95 - I-15 to Cheyenne or Craig: activation pending (weren't active as of Christmas this year)

Additional ramp meters are coming soon to I-15 north of I-515/US 95, to be installed as part of the I-15 North Corridor design-build project currently underway.
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 05:44:30 PM »

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I was working on a Ramp Meter page of similar design if anyone is ever interested in helping me finish that.

In Minnesota ramp meters are also used on US 169, MN 36, and US 10 (when it has its own freeway alignment, not just on the three interstate duplexes). There are probably more; I'll get back to you.
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Re: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 09:24:05 PM »

Oklahoma uses Clearview statewide, on all new BGSes, as far as I know.
After taking a trip to the Tulsa & Muskogee area this past weekend, I can confirm this. Signs along I-44 from the Turner Turnpike end to I-244 & on I-244 from I-44 (western junction) to downtown Tulsa are all in Clearview. Also, the Muskogee Turnpike has new Clearview signs throughout. Pictures are on my Flickr page.  :)

I-44 still has a few old signs between the two I-244 junctions, including an error circle 64 sign and a circle 66 sign.  I'm sure they'll disappear when I-44 is relocated.

The Muskogee has been switched over to Clearview for at least six months now.

As for ramp meters, I've never heard of any in either Oklahoma or Arkansas.
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2009, 12:47:32 PM »

Michigan is replacing all their signs from FHWA to Clearview. I-75 and US-131 have been fully converted. I-96 is partway complete as is I-94. But other freeways such as I-275 and M-6 still have the old format the whole length.
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2009, 01:44:20 PM »

I saw some Clearview signs on US 22 around Allentown on May 13th mixed among the FHWA signs.

My educated guess is that Pennsylvania still usually only replaces signs when they're worn out or destroyed.  As I still saw the original 40+ year old button copy text signs for US 11 on exit 241 WB on I-80, it will probably be a long time before PA is even mostly on Clearview.
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2009, 02:01:00 PM »

what if they redo an interchange or stretch of highway? do they put back the old signs that are still applicable?
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2009, 02:01:28 PM »

My educated guess is that Pennsylvania still usually only replaces signs when they're worn out or destroyed.

That and when a road is rehabbed.

For a state that went gangbusters on Clearview back in 2001, Pennsylvania's usage of it plateaued quickly.  Even back in 2004 during a tour of the sign shop for the Harrisburg Meet, someone in the group asked about Clearview being used, and the employee giving the tour just chuckled.  There was a sign being made while we were there which is on my sign shop page, but it was being made with FHWA Gothic.
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2009, 02:11:16 PM »

Two questions on Clearview and the PTC.

Is the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission using Clearview?

Does the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission get their signs from PennDOT, make their own or contract them out to someone else?
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Re: AARoads: Gothic vs. Clearview Page
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2009, 02:13:34 PM »

Two questions on Clearview and the PTC.

Is the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission using Clearview?

Yes

Does the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission get their signs from PennDOT, make their own or contract them out to someone else?

As far as I know, the PennDOT Sign Shop still makes them.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 06:37:20 PM »

Two questions on Clearview and the PTC.

Is the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission using Clearview?

Yes.  PTC practice, which is followed in only a few PennDOT districts at the moment, is to use Clearview for all text legend except route marker digits.

There is considerable variation among PennDOT districts in the way Clearview is implemented.  It is quite common for Clearview to be used only for the main legend (i.e., destinations which typically appear in mixed-case), with Series E Modified continuing to be used for minor legend like exit tabs and distance legends.  Meanwhile, significant parts of the I-376 redesignation are being done by patching existing Series E Modified signs with Series E Modified, rather than Clearview.  The construction drawings for the ongoing I-376 rehabilitation/Squirrel Hill Tunnel height detector retrofit (ECMS 75905) give a good overview of this.

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Does the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission get their signs from PennDOT, make their own or contract them out to someone else?

The PTC contracts out signing.  However, a PTC signing contract is an agreement to carry out signing work which is later specified by a work order with accompanying drawings, rather than being detailed in the contract documents themselves.

Here is a breakdown of two recent PTC signing contracts (work authorization drawings obtained through a RTKL request):

*  99-011-RC1U-C:  Truck rollover signs plus guide signing for Exit 31 (Lansdale), Exit 44 (Quakertown), Exit 95 (Pocono), Exit 105 (Wilkes-Barre), Exit 115 (Wyoming Valley) (all but the first of these exits being on the Northeast Extension)

*  99-011-RC1T-C:  Truck rollover signs plus guide signing for Exit 110 (Somerset) on the main Turnpike

There has, just in the past month, been one other signing contract, but I have not filed a RTKL request for it yet.
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