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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3375 on: May 20, 2020, 11:07:09 AM »

Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3376 on: May 20, 2020, 12:08:55 PM »

Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
Does Henderson appear anywhere other than at the I-64 cloverleaf? I know it isn't signed at the Lloyd interchange. Not sure about other Evansville interchanges
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3377 on: May 20, 2020, 12:29:40 PM »

Henderson, KY and Evansville is currently the control city for I-69 South in Indiana.
Does Henderson appear anywhere other than at the I-64 cloverleaf? I know it isn't signed at the Lloyd interchange. Not sure about other Evansville interchanges
I believe that Henderson is only at I-64.  A holdover from I-164 days.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3378 on: May 21, 2020, 12:31:12 AM »

Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign “Indianapolis”, though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.

Trying to figure INDOT out is tough.

There is no reason Bloomington and Indianapolis can't both be used now. INDOT has Indianapolis as a control on US 41 around Vincennes, and US 41 doesn't get any closer to Indy than Terre Haute.  I-69 is at least funneling traffic directly at it just 20 miles away.

Of course, Kentucky is using Elizabethtown for I-69 North at the I-24 split.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3379 on: May 21, 2020, 01:06:12 AM »

Only sort of related, but I noticed that I-69 north does not have a control city from I-64. Why is that?
I believe they wanted to wait to finish the highway to Indianapolis in order to sign “Indianapolis”, though realistically it should be allowed to be posted now.

Trying to figure INDOT out is tough.

There is no reason Bloomington and Indianapolis can't both be used now. INDOT has Indianapolis as a control on US 41 around Vincennes, and US 41 doesn't get any closer to Indy than Terre Haute.  I-69 is at least funneling traffic directly at it just 20 miles away.

Of course, Kentucky is using Elizabethtown for I-69 North at the I-24 split.
I-69 doesn't go to Elizabethtown? Hasn't changed from the Western Kentucky parkway days?
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3380 on: May 21, 2020, 06:06:18 AM »

The Elizabethtown reference is merely from when it used to be the Western Kentucky Pkwy, just hasn’t changed.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3381 on: May 21, 2020, 06:50:12 AM »


I was speculating what the control city would be from where I-69 would split off to use the Ohio River Bridge.  Of course, Henderson should be used from I-64 to the US 41 interchange.  If I-69 was mostly complete from Evansville to Memphis, I would favor Memphis.  However, whenever the bridge is complete and that Tennessee is somewhat dragging their feet on I-69, the choices are Madisonville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, or Fulton.  I actually would favor Paducah for the short term.

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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3382 on: May 21, 2020, 12:54:58 PM »


I was speculating what the control city would be from where I-69 would split off to use the Ohio River Bridge.  Of course, Henderson should be used from I-64 to the US 41 interchange.  If I-69 was mostly complete from Evansville to Memphis, I would favor Memphis.  However, whenever the bridge is complete and that Tennessee is somewhat dragging their feet on I-69, the choices are Madisonville, Hopkinsville, Paducah, or Fulton.  I actually would favor Paducah for the short term.

Of course when I cross the Ohio River going south, my main destination must be Fulton (KY/TN).  I know it's popular though out middle America...who would think that Memphis is a destination???  (I know, it was put there because it was the end of the Purchase Parkway)
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3383 on: May 21, 2020, 01:01:14 PM »

Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3384 on: May 21, 2020, 01:10:31 PM »

Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
Agreed. I hate obscure control cities.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3385 on: May 21, 2020, 02:11:08 PM »

Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3386 on: May 21, 2020, 03:09:11 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3387 on: May 21, 2020, 03:38:26 PM »

Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now

Even with I-69 complete it will be faster to go I-70, I-57, and I-55!
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3388 on: May 21, 2020, 03:46:25 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3389 on: May 21, 2020, 06:59:57 PM »

Obviously the town of 2,000 is more important than the metro of 1,000,000.

Seriously though, Memphis should be signed on I-69 South even today.

Indianapolis northbound, Memphis southbound.

Bloomington, Henderson, and Evansville can be used secondarily, but those should be the primary control cities all in between, even with I-69 not complete in Tennessee.
I fully agree

InDOT doesn't tend to use Secondary Controls nearly as much as neighboring IDOT does, unfortunately

The big issue with signing Memphis out of Indy right now, until the Freeway is complete Indy<->Memphis is that at present, I-70->I-57->I-55 is a quicker route to Memphis

From Bloomington on south, certainly Control it Memphis, now

Even with I-69 complete it will be faster to go I-70, I-57, and I-55!
Not necessarily...

Between Indianapolis and Memphis, the current I-70, I-57, and I-55 routing is 464 miles and takes approximately 6 hours 51 minutes to traverse.

The current I-69 routing is 453 miles and takes approximately 7 hours 22 minutes to traverse in present day.

Considering a 70 mph speed limit for the sections currently not freeway, that would reduce overall travel time about 32 minutes, bringing the I-69 corridor to 6 hours 50 minutes.

Additionally, the I-69 corridor has considerably less traffic than the I-70, I-57, and I-55 corridors do, notably with truck traffic, and would likely be desired for this reason alone. I wouldn't be surprised if some people opt to use the present-day I-69 corridor from Indianapolis to Memphis to avoid those interstates during some of the worst peak travel periods. At Dyersburg, you can also go back to I-55 to avoid the arterial segment south of there via I-155.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3390 on: May 21, 2020, 07:02:17 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Evansville or Indianapolis.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3391 on: May 21, 2020, 07:06:38 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3392 on: May 21, 2020, 07:09:36 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3393 on: May 22, 2020, 01:09:18 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.

My vote: Dyersburg/Indianapolis.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3394 on: May 22, 2020, 02:42:06 PM »

Honestly I think Evansville is sufficient from Indianapolis down to roughly the Morgan Avenue and Lloyd Expressway exits. It's a large enough city. Fort Wayne is used for northbound I-69 from Indianapolis so using Evansville almost seems poetic since those two along with Indy are the three largest cities in the state. When I-69 is finished in Kentucky and Tennessee though I fully support usage of Memphis alongside with Evansville from I-64 southward and Memphis south of the Evansville exits. And Kentucky should (but probably will not) use Evansville for northbound across part of the state. The usage of Henderson reeks of the using of Ashland over Huntington along I-64, I fear Henderson will be used for a very long time.
What should Tennessee use for I-69 north?
Port Huron, MI
Canada
That's a bit far.

My vote: Dyersburg/Indianapolis.
I agree, one close by city and one far off city.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
« Reply #3395 on: May 23, 2020, 08:52:47 AM »

The INDOT Design Manual requires the control cities to be what they have on the signs.
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Re: Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana
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Memorial Day was nice and sunny so I headed up to Morgan County for another look-see. Crews have been making good progress on the overpasses north of Martinsville. Photos were taken May 25, 2020, unless otherwise noted.

Indiana I-69 Corridor Project; Section 6; Morgan/Johnson/Marion counties

Overpass that will carry Egbert Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County, Indiana; looking northeast.


Work has commenced on the bridge that will carry the new frontage, or service, road over Stotts Creek in Morgan County. Stotts Creek runs underneath SR 37 about a mile north of the SR 37/Henderson Road intersection. The creek flows into the White River, which, at this point, runs only a few yards north (left, treeline) of the southbound lanes of SR 37.


Closer look at the work underway at Stotts Creek. Crews have been driving piles to create a cofferdam (pictured in the foreground) to facilitate work on the bridge's northern pier. Due to rains the day before, the chamber has filled with water which will be pumped out when work resumes.


The overpass that will carry Perry Road over State Road 37 (future Interstate 69) in Morgan County; looking north. Piles have now been driven for both abutments.


Another perspective of the work underway at the Perry Road overpass work zone; looking north.


Another look at the Stotts Creek work zone showing a small section of the northbound mainline SR 37 bridge over the creek. These Stotts Creek mainline bridges are to be completely reconstructed as part of the next contract of Section 6, to be let in November of 2020.
 
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