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Started by corco, October 28, 2011, 12:45:13 AM

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Big John

 Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:


tmoore952

I heard this an hour ago, still trying to process my feelings.

Happy for Ohtani, he gets to stay on the West Coast which is where I thought he always wanted to be.

But this blows up the free agent market like no other deal has.

Alps

Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:
Yeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.

dlsterner

Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:
Yeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.

Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale.  You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.

Takumi

Quote from: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:
Yeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.

Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale.  You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.

About an hour after it was announced, the Dodgers team store sent out a sign-up list for when Ohtani merchandise becomes available.

It's noteworthy that the Dodgers haven't officially announced the deal yet; they don't have the space on their 40-man roster yet.
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Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
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Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

However, he will not even pitch in 2024.
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Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.

tmoore952

Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.

After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.

Flint1979

Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.
Sounds like what Bryce Harper said right after the Nationals signed Max Scherzer. Nothing is guaranteed.

Flint1979

Quote from: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.

After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.
Me either. I'd love to see the Dodgers miss the playoffs. To me they are worse than the Yankees ever were now.

Alps

Quote from: dlsterner on December 09, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 09, 2023, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:
Yeah, that's a couple hundred million too high for any reason. Sure he's a huge name right now, but the injuries are a factor and I can't help but think this is an all-time historic bust.

Even though I feel the Dodgers won't get $700M of on-field value out of Ohtani, that will be offset by what the team should recoup in licensing fees for merchandise sale.  You know there's going to be a ton of Ohtani Dodger jerseys sold.
You can look at Jeter for that. $240 million at the time was huge and he was not one of the top 10 players in baseball, but he was consistently good and a favorite around here, and we ALL knew that he made up the extra money in other merchandise because he is so beloved in the NYC area. I don't see it working quite as well for Ohtani.

Takumi

Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.

Kersh may not even pitch next year. He had shoulder surgery last month and hopes to return in the summer, but setbacks happen. The Orioles' John Means didn't return from TJS until September this year instead of the originally planned July because he pulled a back muscle in May. (I went to a AA game in Richmond in August and Means was on rehab assignment. He didn't pitch that day, but he was in the dugout. I did see Cedric Mullins and Jackson Holliday, though.)
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

Takumi

Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

Henry

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 10, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on December 10, 2023, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Hunty2022 on December 09, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Big John on December 09, 2023, 05:11:53 PM
Ohtani signs a 10-year $700 million contract.  :wow:

LA Dodgers just won the 2024 World Series.

Not as long as "Playoff Kershaw" is a factor.

After thinking about this:
As a fan of a smaller market (or maybe the better term is "non-juggernaut") team, I can only hope the Dodgers don't see success with this model. And while I said in a previous post that I am happy for Ohtani, that was more on a personal level (he seemed to always prefer the West Coast). I can't in good faith wish him success on the field.
Me either. I'd love to see the Dodgers miss the playoffs. To me they are worse than the Yankees ever were now.
There's no denying that Ohtani is one of the greatest talents the game has ever seen, but in my view, he is not worth $700 million. One player does not a team make, and it's going to take a lot more than a double-threat to contend for a championship. Look at Michael Jordan: How many championships did he win before Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson came along? (A big, fat donut hole!)

The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.
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NWI_Irish96

When a handful of teams can spend more on one player than other teams spend on an entire roster, the system is horribly broken. I've always wondered why the majority of teams who are set up for failure don't force changes, but then that would risk giving up the huge profits they get on the backs of the richest teams.
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tmoore952

Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.

I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.

In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.

Alps

Quote from: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.

I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.

In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.
The Mets have enough of a rep for the Bonilla deal. This is many, many times that.

dlsterner

Quote from: Alps on December 16, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on December 16, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: Henry on December 11, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
The Dodgers can go bankrupt for all I care, and let's just leave it at that.

I share your sentiment completely (never been a Dodgers fan, this dates back to 1977 NLCS). However, it's been reported that most of the Ohtani money is deferred to about 10 or 20 years from now. This won't bankrupt them in the short term.

In the short term (2024), they need pitching, badly. Ohtani out, Kershaw (who knows), Tyler Glastnow who they signed yesterday hasn't pitched that many innings in any single year.
The Mets have enough of a rep for the Bonilla deal. This is many, many times that.

Oddly enough, the annual payments to Bobby Bonilla will end just as the Shohei Ohtani payments begin.  Replace "Bobby Bonilla Day" with "Shohei Ohtani Day" I suppose.

triplemultiplex

I figured he'd end up on the west coast Yankees (in terms of throwing cash around, not necessarily in winning all the time.)
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Takumi

And now Yoshinobu Yamamoto is also joining them.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AM
Olive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

triplemultiplex

Must be pretty nice to have a billion dollars to spend on two players.
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Henry

Apparently, the Japanese love the Dodgers, which goes all the way back to Hideo Nomo from three decades ago. First they sign Ohtani, and now they get Yamamoto.
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Flint1979

I hope the Dodgers miss the playoffs every year. I'll support the Diamondbacks in that division.

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