Roads that none of us will live to see built

Started by bugo, July 27, 2012, 11:29:02 PM

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bugo

I'm not talking about fantasy highways, I'm talking about roads that have seriously been proposed.  I don't know if any of us will live to see I-49 completed, and I really don't expect us to see I-69 completed.  We might see I-30 completed, however.


NE2

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Takumi

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J N Winkler

I expect to see I-49 and I-69 completed within 30 years.  I feel, however, that I-73 is basically dead north of Virginia, and I am doubtful I-66 will be finished in Kentucky.
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NE2

I-73/74 was never seriously planned as an Interstate north of I-81.
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Quillz


bugo


DTComposer

Quote from: bugo on July 28, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
Quote from: Quillz on July 28, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Interstate 7/9

Have these ever been seriously proposed?

Depends if he's referring to the CA-99 corridor or the US-97 corridor. Even so, the only serious consideration was the designation of CA-99 as a High Priority Corridor.

As far as building them, if it's US-97, yes, I don't think the need is there and won't truly be for several decades. For CA-99, the route as freeway is already built, so the question is more whether it gets signed as an interstate. I'd put that at 50/50.

For something I truly don't think will get built (unfortunately), the I-710 gap.

BigRedDog

1.) The northern leg of the Mon-Fayette  Expressway (from SR 51 to I-376).

2.) The remainder of the Southern Beltway.

Alps

I can actually see I-11 getting built, but I'm going to say it won't in my lifetime. I'll also put the perennial Rye-Oyster Bay Tunnel (I-287) that gets legs every so often. Could add the Rooftop Highway (I-98).

mgk920

A complete US 12 freeway/tollway between Madison, WI and IL 53?

Mike

brad2971

Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
I can actually see I-11 getting built, but I'm going to say it won't in my lifetime. I'll also put the perennial Rye-Oyster Bay Tunnel (I-287) that gets legs every so often. Could add the Rooftop Highway (I-98).

Oh, I expect I-11 will be completed within the next 20-25 years. Just not as currently proposed. On the Nevada end, I suspect environmental concerns will force NDOT to utilize the current US93 footprint in Boulder City. On the Arizona side, too much of what is proposed for the Phoenix area end is subject to developer plans that likely won't see the light of day before 2030. Therefore, I suspect that some combination of the Sun Valley Parkway and SR85 will be used for I-11.

Other than that, I seriously doubt that the Heartland Expressway will go any further south than I-80 at Kimball, NE.

Bickendan


flowmotion

Quote from: bugo on July 28, 2012, 12:47:10 AM
Quote from: Quillz on July 28, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Interstate 7/9

Have these ever been seriously proposed?

Certainly. The folks in Fresno love to remind people that they are the largest city without an Interstate highway.

Just recently I drove CA-99 during daylight hours for the first time. From a roadgeek perspective, it's quite interesting, because it's obvious there has never been any master plan and it was upgraded in small chunks over the years. Some parts still have telegraph polls on one side and huge trees in the median. The freeway frequently swings around many of the 'bolted-on' exits. There's still left-side exits in places where it saved the cost of an overpass.

Caltrans' original estimates to bring all of this up to "Interstate grade" were frankly unobtainable. However, recently they accepted that waivers and provisional applications might allow them to put up the blue shields at minimal cost. My guess is that it will happen within the next 5 years.

flowmotion

On the other hand, I doubt CA-58 will ever be signed as I-40. There will always be a few at-grades not worth fixing.

vdeane

Quote from: Steve on July 28, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Could add the Rooftop Highway (I-98).
Especially since the funding to study it was reallocated to US 11 a few months ago.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Darkchylde

Pretty much any loop-style bypass of Baton Rouge. Every time one is proposed, it just seems to wither on the vine before any serious effort can be put into seeing if it can be done.

mgk920


Alps

Quote from: mgk920 on July 28, 2012, 10:32:30 AM
I-289 in Vermont?

Mike
I predict at least one end of VT 289 will be done in my lifetime. I don't foresee any need to twin it, so no Interstate status.

Duke87

CT 11. US 6 from Bolton to Willmantic. Or any further upgrades of US 7 in the state.
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Mr_Northside

Quote from: BigRedDog on July 28, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
1.) The northern leg of the Mon-Fayette  Expressway (from SR 51 to I-376).
Agreed.

Quote2.) The remainder of the Southern Beltway.

While I'm not betting on it getting done, I also wouldn't be surprised if the section from US-22 to I-79 gets built in the next couple of decades.

In the western half of PA, I'd also add (and this depends on a very loose definition of "planned") US-219 freeway sections north of Ebensburg to Bradford.... especially north of I-80 thru the Allegheny National Forest areas. 

I'm also starting to have doubts as to whether I'll ever drive on a section of I-99 between I-80 & Williamsport.  That project has been "deferred" for years now, and instead of talks about restarting it, PennDOT seems content to just spend money to simply "improve" intersections and such along US-220 there...
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J N Winkler

I respectfully disagree with the other contributors who have suggested the South Pasadena "missing gap" in California I-710 will never be closed.  I think the current tunnel proposal checks too many boxes and will be progressed to construction in spite of the significant costs.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: J N Winkler on July 28, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
I respectfully disagree with the other contributors who have suggested the South Pasadena "missing gap" in California I-710 will never be closed.  I think the current tunnel proposal checks too many boxes and will be progressed to construction in spite of the significant costs.

I sure hope you are correct. The I-710 gap closure is badly needed, and could serve as a "proof of concept" (not that it has not been done elsewhere, because it has, including in Sweden and France) of building underground freeways without severe impacts on the communities above.
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on_wisconsin

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SP Cook

West Virginia currently has the following on the table which I do not believe we will ever see finished:

Corridor H (US 48): The parts not currently under construction will probably never be built.  Treehuggers.

Coalfields Expressway (US 121): WV Turnpike at Beckley to Corridor B (US 23) and Corridor Q (US 460) at Grundy, VA.  A road that serves little purpose.  Probably never get past an end somewhere in Wyoming County.

East Beckley Bypass: I-64 SE of Beckley to US 19/Corridor L NE of Beckley to WV Turnpike N of Beckley.  Might take 8 minutes off the current roads.  Never be built.

King Coal Highway/Tolsia Highway (US 52):  I-77 and Corridor Q (US 460) at Bluefield to a JCT with the afformentioned US 121 near Welch to US 119/Corridor G at Williamson to I-64 W of Huntington.  Current parts are being built as a part of the strip mining in Mingo county.  Runs out of the coal seam N and S of that.  Might cut 20 minutes off current I-64 and 77 route.  Never be near finished.

West Run Expressway: I 68 E of Morgantown to I-79 N of Morgantown, giving the tiny town a defacto beltway, similar to the Beckley project above.  Serves no real purpose.

WV 10/80:  Four lane project for WV 10 between US 119/Corridor G at Logan to Man and then WV 80 between Man and a JCT with the theoretical King Coal Highway at Gilbert.  Man to outskirts of Logan finished or underconstruction.  WV 80 part will never be built, and Logan gentry want traffic dumped onto its streets, so the last mile or so up to 119 won't be either.




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