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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4500 on: January 02, 2020, 02:13:45 PM »

Not an actual sign, but...



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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4504 on: January 02, 2020, 07:04:12 PM »

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4505 on: January 02, 2020, 07:20:51 PM »

Oh, I thought that you were referring to the tab in the middle, cause tabs are supposed to be on the right, you know? But maybe that used to be a circle? OK used to use a circle for its state routes. There is a similarly faded sign on NJ-181.

Very avant-garde quote placement.

No, there was never a circle here. This sign was erected after a construction project well into the meat-cleaver era.

Fading couldn't cause a CT 51 shield to appear in Oklahoma in most cases anyway—Oklahoma cut out their circles, unlike NJ.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4506 on: January 03, 2020, 01:00:02 PM »



https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4750871,-78.6294163,3a,16.1y,36.41h,81.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFpkH2drn2HbJ7RtVaUY3vQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

Are the numbers on this height sign too small?

Not an erroneous road sign.

I bet it's off by a few inches. :D

I believe that's standard practice.  Nobody signs overpasses at exactly the correct height.
The MUTCD allows heights posted on clearance signs to be up to 3 inches less than the actual clearance.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4507 on: January 03, 2020, 05:05:33 PM »

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4508 on: January 03, 2020, 05:17:32 PM »

Don't know if this has been posted. It can also go in worst of, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5641475,-71.448436,3a,18.2y,242.24h,87.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUo38plkL2KxxTL4O3oj8yA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Beautiful shape, nice font, great layout, but it's just plain fucking wrong.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4509 on: January 10, 2020, 11:26:50 PM »

I came through Snellville on GA 124 northbound yesterday and noticed an LGS lying on the ground, apparently awaiting installation. Then a friend posted some other stuff about signage at the US 78-GA 124 intersection, so I decided to go back and have another look, and... wow. Another bud says that the LGS has been installed, taken down, and now installed again, and that people often try to make that dangerous, illegal right turn. We both notified GDOT District 1  about this, so hopefully it'll be corrected promptly.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4510 on: January 12, 2020, 10:24:55 AM »

I came through Snellville on GA 124 northbound yesterday and noticed an LGS lying on the ground, apparently awaiting installation. Then a friend posted some other stuff about signage at the US 78-GA 124 intersection, so I decided to go back and have another look, and... wow. Another bud says that the LGS has been installed, taken down, and now installed again, and that people often try to make that dangerous, illegal right turn. We both notified GDOT District 1  about this, so hopefully it'll be corrected promptly.


GDOT shouldn't direct people to a location if the turn is not permitted, so the sign should be adjusted.

But what makes this turn dangerous?  This is a right turn at a traffic signal.  Even if sight lines aren't desirable, the usual fix would be No turn on red, not outlawing the right turn altogether.

Perhaps you can elaborate.  I'm not from the area, and old GSV images indicate the right turn being permitted, with a right turn only lane.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4511 on: January 12, 2020, 11:42:44 AM »


Should be TO I-40 along US 67/167


Error on a technicality: I-540 ends at US 271. They do not run concurrent.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4512 on: January 12, 2020, 12:26:33 PM »

But what makes this turn dangerous?  This is a right turn at a traffic signal.  Even if sight lines aren't desirable, the usual fix would be No turn on red, not outlawing the right turn altogether.

Perhaps you can elaborate.  I'm not from the area, and old GSV images indicate the right turn being permitted, with a right turn only lane.

Yes, I can. The intersection ahead is a displaced left turn intersection (sometimes confusingly referred to as a continuous flow intersection). Only the left turns from the intersecting road are displaced, and... to reduce the footprint, no bypass roadway was built for the prohibited right turn movement in my photo. That means that anyone turning right there would be head-on to left-turning traffic from the direction of Loganville. Any driver who's unfamiliar with the situation will likely believe, as you did, that there's no compelling reason for the right turn prohibition, and that they'll just sneak on through. In fact, I'm told by someone who frequents the area that it happens all the time.

The correct way to head toward Loganville or Stone Mountain is to turn at the previous intersection. The sign in my photo needs to be relocated there, if there's not one there already.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4513 on: January 12, 2020, 04:09:08 PM »

But what makes this turn dangerous?  This is a right turn at a traffic signal.  Even if sight lines aren't desirable, the usual fix would be No turn on red, not outlawing the right turn altogether.

Perhaps you can elaborate.  I'm not from the area, and old GSV images indicate the right turn being permitted, with a right turn only lane.

Yes, I can. The intersection ahead is a displaced left turn intersection (sometimes confusingly referred to as a continuous flow intersection). Only the left turns from the intersecting road are displaced, and... to reduce the footprint, no bypass roadway was built for the prohibited right turn movement in my photo. That means that anyone turning right there would be head-on to left-turning traffic from the direction of Loganville. Any driver who's unfamiliar with the situation will likely believe, as you did, that there's no compelling reason for the right turn prohibition, and that they'll just sneak on through. In fact, I'm told by someone who frequents the area that it happens all the time.

The correct way to head toward Loganville or Stone Mountain is to turn at the previous intersection. The sign in my photo needs to be relocated there, if there's not one there already.

That sounds reasonable.  Clear directions should be provided on how one is supposed to reach Loganville to avoid the illegal right turn.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4514 on: January 14, 2020, 08:51:08 AM »

But what makes this turn dangerous?  This is a right turn at a traffic signal.  Even if sight lines aren't desirable, the usual fix would be No turn on red, not outlawing the right turn altogether.

Perhaps you can elaborate.  I'm not from the area, and old GSV images indicate the right turn being permitted, with a right turn only lane.

Yes, I can. The intersection ahead is a displaced left turn intersection (sometimes confusingly referred to as a continuous flow intersection). Only the left turns from the intersecting road are displaced, and... to reduce the footprint, no bypass roadway was built for the prohibited right turn movement in my photo. That means that anyone turning right there would be head-on to left-turning traffic from the direction of Loganville. Any driver who's unfamiliar with the situation will likely believe, as you did, that there's no compelling reason for the right turn prohibition, and that they'll just sneak on through. In fact, I'm told by someone who frequents the area that it happens all the time.

The correct way to head toward Loganville or Stone Mountain is to turn at the previous intersection. The sign in my photo needs to be relocated there, if there's not one there already.
According to Google Maps, there seems to be some sort of construction going on; in particular, it seems that there is some widening work being done to US 78. Could you please elaborate on this by any chance?
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4515 on: January 14, 2020, 01:28:16 PM »

Don't know if this has been posted. It can also go in worst of, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5641475,-71.448436,3a,18.2y,242.24h,87.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUo38plkL2KxxTL4O3oj8yA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Beautiful shape, nice font, great layout, but it's just plain fucking wrong.

They even have a reassurance marker down the road from the upcoming intersection:

1353 Union Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zvwd2L8EnUqVSaTPA
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4516 on: January 14, 2020, 04:26:14 PM »

But what makes this turn dangerous?  This is a right turn at a traffic signal.  Even if sight lines aren't desirable, the usual fix would be No turn on red, not outlawing the right turn altogether.

Perhaps you can elaborate.  I'm not from the area, and old GSV images indicate the right turn being permitted, with a right turn only lane.

Yes, I can. The intersection ahead is a displaced left turn intersection (sometimes confusingly referred to as a continuous flow intersection). Only the left turns from the intersecting road are displaced, and... to reduce the footprint, no bypass roadway was built for the prohibited right turn movement in my photo. That means that anyone turning right there would be head-on to left-turning traffic from the direction of Loganville. Any driver who's unfamiliar with the situation will likely believe, as you did, that there's no compelling reason for the right turn prohibition, and that they'll just sneak on through. In fact, I'm told by someone who frequents the area that it happens all the time.

The correct way to head toward Loganville or Stone Mountain is to turn at the previous intersection. The sign in my photo needs to be relocated there, if there's not one there already.
According to Google Maps, there seems to be some sort of construction going on; in particular, it seems that there is some widening work being done to US 78. Could you please elaborate on this by any chance?

Intersection reconfiguration. The general mess Tom refers to is a new state of affairs here. I haven't been through it myself yet, but OSM is updated with what this all looks like now.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4517 on: January 15, 2020, 05:11:35 AM »

According to Google Maps, there seems to be some sort of construction going on; in particular, it seems that there is some widening work being done to US 78. Could you please elaborate on this by any chance?

Intersection reconfiguration. The general mess Tom refers to is a new state of affairs here. I haven't been through it myself yet, but OSM is updated with what this all looks like now.

Indeed. Thanks, Eth!  Construction of the DLT is complete except for moving that sign to south of Clower Boulevard where it goes, which multiple sources say will happen. Yay, me!

I went down there yet again on Sunday to assess whether it'd be feasible to add that bypass lane to re-legalize that right turn if the displaced left turn roadway was narrowed to one lane instead of two ("not really" is my assessment). On my way out of town, I saw a cop perched on a rise over US 78, looking for hands-free law violators, so I approached her and asked her how the new intersection was working out. She said that it'd had a rocky start, but that things had calmed down now. Her big concern now is with the two-lane right turn movement from Clower Boulevard onto US 78 east, which is under construction in the current Google satellite view. Right turns on red are allowed after a stop, but apparently a problematic number of motorists execute a rolling stop or no stop at all, causing crashes. She said that GDOT says that they'll be banning right turns except on green arrows there.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4518 on: January 23, 2020, 03:08:59 PM »

Don't know if this has been posted. It can also go in worst of, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5641475,-71.448436,3a,18.2y,242.24h,87.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUo38plkL2KxxTL4O3oj8yA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Beautiful shape, nice font, great layout, but it's just plain fucking wrong.

They even have a reassurance marker down the road from the upcoming intersection:

1353 Union Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zvwd2L8EnUqVSaTPA

So I posted mine 1/3, the day I was last up there. We either shamed NHDOT or I had interesting timing, because today (20 days later) both signs have been replaced with the correct signs. No other apparent signs in the area were replaced.

Based on Streetview, the signs went up between 2013 and 2018.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4519 on: January 28, 2020, 08:10:05 AM »

Minor banner mix-up in Pendelton, Indiana...US36 and IN67 switched directions for a moment:


It's corrected later throughout the route...

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4520 on: January 28, 2020, 05:34:44 PM »

Minor banner mix-up in Pendelton, Indiana...US36 and IN67 switched directions for a moment:

That's one of those kind of mistakes where I'd be really tempted to get a ladder and socket set and fix it for them. ;-)
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