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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4375 on: October 05, 2018, 08:40:04 PM »

Is there a crosswalk behind the photographer? Something seems fishy here.

Yeah, as far as I know no-crossing signs always face out into the road.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4376 on: October 05, 2018, 09:51:02 PM »

Is there a crosswalk behind the photographer? Something seems fishy here.

Yeah, as far as I know no-crossing signs always face out into the road.

Looking a bit more closely, there is no curb cut for a crossing behind the photographer. The crosswalks cross to this corner, but you are required to continue beyond it, just not in the direction of the slip lane.

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4377 on: October 06, 2018, 04:44:41 AM »

Is there a crosswalk behind the photographer? Something seems fishy here.

Yeah, as far as I know no-crossing signs always face out into the road.

Looking a bit more closely, there is no curb cut for a crossing behind the photographer. The crosswalks cross to this corner, but you are required to continue beyond it, just not in the direction of the slip lane.

Never did like Stanley Roberts. :D

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What I donít quite get is, what pedestrians are supposed to see this particular sign in the first place? Itís facing along the west side of Grand Avenue, where any pedestrian would already be walking in the road.

The No Peds sign in the opposite direction, coming from the porkchop island, makes sense, but I donít see the purpose of the one on Twitter.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4378 on: October 06, 2018, 12:30:57 PM »

Is there a crosswalk behind the photographer? Something seems fishy here.

Yeah, as far as I know no-crossing signs always face out into the road.

Looking a bit more closely, there is no curb cut for a crossing behind the photographer. The crosswalks cross to this corner, but you are required to continue beyond it, just not in the direction of the slip lane.

Never did like Stanley Roberts. :D

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What I donít quite get is, what pedestrians are supposed to see this particular sign in the first place? Itís facing along the west side of Grand Avenue, where any pedestrian would already be walking in the road.

The No Peds sign in the opposite direction, coming from the porkchop island, makes sense, but I donít see the purpose of the one on Twitter.

As far as I know, "no pedestrian" signs are used in pairs, not just by themselves, so in the event that a pedestrian arrives at the location from the unintended approach, there's still a sign telling them what they can't do.

I don't have a problem with the signs, as it's a bit unusual for a crossing to go to a corner, where you are not allowed to go beyond the corner in any direction except the other crossing. I don't know why the crossing doesn't just stay on the south side of Encanto.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4379 on: October 06, 2018, 12:42:31 PM »

The aerial view makes that a lot clearer. Maybe they felt a crossing on the south side is too far? But they could have built a pedestrian island there to alleviate that issue.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4380 on: October 06, 2018, 02:30:56 PM »

The aerial view makes that a lot clearer. Maybe they felt a crossing on the south side is too far? But they could have built a pedestrian island there to alleviate that issue.

The easiest way to make the crossing shorter would have been to have the crossing about another 100 feet S-E, so the crossing over the highway (Grand Ave?) was more perpendicular than diagonal.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4381 on: October 08, 2018, 01:50:49 PM »

My first thought was that pedestrians next to the road would be trespassing on railroad ROW.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4382 on: October 08, 2018, 02:46:51 PM »

My first thought was that pedestrians next to the road would be trespassing on railroad ROW.

I would think that public ROW would extend past the road curbing by at least a few feet.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4383 on: October 09, 2018, 06:07:11 PM »

This diagrammatic is not how the lanes are set up. There's no option lane; a fifth lane starts on the right. Meanwhile, in the other direction, the opposite sign has the opposite problem. I-81 SB isn't four lanes at all before the split.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4384 on: October 09, 2018, 09:04:52 PM »

My first thought was that pedestrians next to the road would be trespassing on railroad ROW.

I would think that public ROW would extend past the road curbing by at least a few feet.

GMSV shows a crosswalk used to be at the now-prohibited spot until 2013-14.  Similar changes occurred at other intersections along this railway.  A study of this corridor mentions pedestrian access along Grand Ave but does not get into specifically AFAIK that there shouldn't be access on that side of the road.

https://www.azdot.gov/docs/projects/chapter-3-existing-44-programmed-and-planned-facilities.pdf?sfvrsn=0
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4385 on: October 30, 2018, 07:57:51 PM »

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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4386 on: October 31, 2018, 12:38:20 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/GvUeiQxnKpq
US 17 is now in NY.

Wrong thread.

As of this post, the Erroneous Road Signs thread has 161 pages (I use the default of 25 posts per page), and it will just continue to grow. To reduce its rate of growth, errors that are solely US/state route mixups go here instead of in the Erroneous Road Signs and Worst of Road Signs threads.

Something similar was done a few years ago when "Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs" was created to reduce the number that went into the Worst of Road Signs thread.

If you recently posted in any of these threads with a US/state mixup, you may move the post to here by deleting the other one and pasting the content in this thread. (It doesn't have to be recent, but I'm assuming that the more recent ones will be more easily found.)

In addition to posting US/state mixups, you can post your opinion on whether this thread is necessary, at least for the first few pages.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4387 on: October 31, 2018, 02:25:07 PM »

It is still erroneous whether goof ups like this are very common (especially with NYSDOT and usually making a US route a state route etc).  Yes it would be an opinion if it were posted in the unique odd and Interesting, and I thought about posting it there.  I felt this was more specific and felt that criteria and therefore I posted it here.

Because so many screw ups like this exist, I find it a hot topic to find which one next will get the designations mixed up especially in PA and NY who love to be careless when printing signs.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4388 on: October 31, 2018, 02:30:03 PM »

Just to clarify...  the thread I quoted from is called "US/State mixup shield error signs go here".
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4389 on: October 31, 2018, 03:55:47 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/GvUeiQxnKpq
US 17 is now in NY.

Wrong thread.

As of this post, the Erroneous Road Signs thread has 161 pages (I use the default of 25 posts per page), and it will just continue to grow. To reduce its rate of growth, errors that are solely US/state route mixups go here instead of in the Erroneous Road Signs and Worst of Road Signs threads.

Something similar was done a few years ago when "Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs" was created to reduce the number that went into the Worst of Road Signs thread.

If you recently posted in any of these threads with a US/state mixup, you may move the post to here by deleting the other one and pasting the content in this thread. (It doesn't have to be recent, but I'm assuming that the more recent ones will be more easily found.)

In addition to posting US/state mixups, you can post your opinion on whether this thread is necessary, at least for the first few pages.

So the creator of that thread decreed that all such posts should go in his thread, and we're all supposed to follow his directive like he's God or something? That's not a decree from a moderator, it's a statement from a user. That "they go here" statement is pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

People can put pictures wherever they want and the mods can move them if they want. As for me, because of the nature of that post, I'm more inclined to put state/US goofs here, just because.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4390 on: October 31, 2018, 04:07:01 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/GvUeiQxnKpq
US 17 is now in NY.

Wrong thread.

As of this post, the Erroneous Road Signs thread has 161 pages (I use the default of 25 posts per page), and it will just continue to grow. To reduce its rate of growth, errors that are solely US/state route mixups go here instead of in the Erroneous Road Signs and Worst of Road Signs threads.

Something similar was done a few years ago when "Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs" was created to reduce the number that went into the Worst of Road Signs thread.

If you recently posted in any of these threads with a US/state mixup, you may move the post to here by deleting the other one and pasting the content in this thread. (It doesn't have to be recent, but I'm assuming that the more recent ones will be more easily found.)

In addition to posting US/state mixups, you can post your opinion on whether this thread is necessary, at least for the first few pages.

So the creator of that thread decreed that all such posts should go in his thread, and we're all supposed to follow his directive like he's God or something? That's not a decree from a moderator, it's a statement from a user. That "they go here" statement is pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

People can put pictures wherever they want and the mods can move them if they want. As for me, because of the nature of that post, I'm more inclined to put state/US goofs here, just because.

That is true.  But if people are going to resume flooding this thread with shields of the wrong shape, then you can count me as someone who will stop visiting this thread (again).  I'm probably not the only one.  So, if you want people to actually see the signs you post, then consider putting them in the other threads.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4391 on: October 31, 2018, 09:29:48 PM »

So the creator of that thread decreed that all such posts should go in his thread, and we're all supposed to follow his directive? That's not a decree from a moderator, it's a statement from a user. That "they go here" statement is pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

People can put pictures wherever they want and the mods can move them if they want. As for me, because of the nature of that post, I'm more inclined to put state/US goofs here, just because.

He raised a valid point, explained his reasoning for starting the thread, and encouraged others to post their opinion on whether the thread was necessary (which you are still welcome to do - in that thread). No need to get all worked up about it.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4392 on: November 09, 2018, 09:11:34 PM »

I was heading back from Harrisonburg, VA last night, and spotted this unintentional primary route upgrade for SR-687:
https://goo.gl/maps/uwLwyS56nYv
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4393 on: December 15, 2018, 12:05:14 PM »

On NB OH 4 in Fairfield:  So I'm allowed to treat the shoulder as part of the lane?
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4394 on: December 18, 2018, 03:14:10 PM »

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the US/SR shield mix-up thread, but this street blade along US 79 in Tennessee claims the highway is "State Route 79":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0234805,-88.6115991,3a,15y,311.72h,86.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUDcaziw-XPhyn4CS8JzOg!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
However, as it's in text and not a shield, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here or in the other thread. Feel free to yell at me and/or move the post if it is the other thread that this should be in.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4395 on: December 18, 2018, 04:07:00 PM »

A signing error got some media attention around here in recent days:

https://dailygazette.com/article/2018/12/17/it-s-glenville-not-glenfield-dot-admits-sign-mistake
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4396 on: December 18, 2018, 04:15:39 PM »

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the US/SR shield mix-up thread, but this street blade along US 79 in Tennessee claims the highway is "State Route 79":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0234805,-88.6115991,3a,15y,311.72h,86.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUDcaziw-XPhyn4CS8JzOg!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
However, as it's in text and not a shield, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here or in the other thread. Feel free to yell at me and/or move the post if it is the other thread that this should be in.

I'm even more confused as Street View insists the road is "State Highway 76".
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4397 on: December 18, 2018, 04:21:00 PM »

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the US/SR shield mix-up thread, but this street blade along US 79 in Tennessee claims the highway is "State Route 79":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0234805,-88.6115991,3a,15y,311.72h,86.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUDcaziw-XPhyn4CS8JzOg!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
However, as it's in text and not a shield, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here or in the other thread. Feel free to yell at me and/or move the post if it is the other thread that this should be in.

I'm even more confused as Street View insists the road is "State Highway 76".
TN 76 and US 79 do have a concurrency (sounds like a pretty long one at that), though I'm not sure if that part of the road is part of the concurrency or not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_State_Route_76#Haywood_County

I've noticed that if a state route is concurrent with a US route, Google will more oftenly refer to it by the state route rather than the US route (or even Interstate). This is especially annoying in Alabama, where every US route has a hidden state designation.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4398 on: December 18, 2018, 04:48:42 PM »

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the US/SR shield mix-up thread, but this street blade along US 79 in Tennessee claims the highway is "State Route 79":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0234805,-88.6115991,3a,15y,311.72h,86.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUDcaziw-XPhyn4CS8JzOg!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
However, as it's in text and not a shield, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here or in the other thread. Feel free to yell at me and/or move the post if it is the other thread that this should be in.

I'm even more confused as Street View insists the road is "State Highway 76".
TN 76 and US 79 do have a concurrency (sounds like a pretty long one at that), though I'm not sure if that part of the road is part of the concurrency or not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_State_Route_76#Haywood_County

I've noticed that if a state route is concurrent with a US route, Google will more oftenly refer to it by the state route rather than the US route (or even Interstate). This is especially annoying in Alabama, where every US route has a hidden state designation.

Yes, that sounds annoying. Kind of makes me wonder why more states don't have rules where everything is automatically a state route, even if it says "US" or "INTERSTATE".

For example, that US-79 example in TN would be WA-79 in WA, even if the shields all say "US". Everything is basically a hidden state route (I-5 is WA-5, US-2 is WA-2, etc). So, in a sense, there is no way to mix up "SR" and "US" or "I", since legally, "SR" is always correct at the most basic level.
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Re: Erroneous road signs
« Reply #4399 on: December 18, 2018, 09:16:11 PM »

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the US/SR shield mix-up thread, but this street blade along US 79 in Tennessee claims the highway is "State Route 79":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0234805,-88.6115991,3a,15y,311.72h,86.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1suUDcaziw-XPhyn4CS8JzOg!2e0!5s20160801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
However, as it's in text and not a shield, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here or in the other thread. Feel free to yell at me and/or move the post if it is the other thread that this should be in.

I'm even more confused as Street View insists the road is "State Highway 76".
TN 76 and US 79 do have a concurrency (sounds like a pretty long one at that), though I'm not sure if that part of the road is part of the concurrency or not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_State_Route_76#Haywood_County

I've noticed that if a state route is concurrent with a US route, Google will more oftenly refer to it by the state route rather than the US route (or even Interstate). This is especially annoying in Alabama, where every US route has a hidden state designation.

Yes, that sounds annoying. Kind of makes me wonder why more states don't have rules where everything is automatically a state route, even if it says "US" or "INTERSTATE".

For example, that US-79 example in TN would be WA-79 in WA, even if the shields all say "US". Everything is basically a hidden state route (I-5 is WA-5, US-2 is WA-2, etc). So, in a sense, there is no way to mix up "SR" and "US" or "I", since legally, "SR" is always correct at the most basic level.

Utah is interesting in that all routes are legislatively defined as the same type of route, so I-15 is legislatively defined as SR-15, US 89 as SR-89, etc. However, US 89 is actually referenced as US 89, not SR 89. That goes for all interstate and US routes: all are defined as SR, but referenced as I or US.

 


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