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Can non-driveable sections of road be signed as state routes?

Started by Quillz, June 30, 2013, 12:15:09 AM

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Alps

A few MD state routes enter military bases. NJ 68 enters Fort Dix. These are technically not driveable by the motoring public.

agentsteel53

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 30, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
I remember seeing an old photo of a ferry somewhere in Arkansas that had a reassurance shield literally on the ferry.

I dug up the photo and put it on the shield gallery.

live from sunny San Diego.

http://shields.aaroads.com

jake@aaroads.com

ChoralScholar

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 30, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
I remember seeing an old photo of a ferry somewhere in Arkansas that had a reassurance shield literally on the ferry.

I dug up the photo and put it on the shield gallery.


That is awesome.  That's the very picture I remember.  So, is that the Arkansas River crossing south of Morrilton, or is that the White River crossing north of Mountain View?
"Turn down... on the blue road...."

froggie

QuoteA few MD state routes enter military bases.

I'm aware of MD routes that skirt the edge or go to the gate, but none that are actually within the compound.  I don't count MD 550 because it is still driveable by the general public.

oscar

Quote from: TEG24601 on June 30, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
IIRC, unless the highway has been replaced on Hawaii (the Island) that was destroyed by lava, it would technically be a signed, but non-driveable, section of highway.

The mostly lava-covered east end of HI 130 is no longer signed as a state highway, with the old route signage destroyed or otherwise disappeared beyond the road closure barricade in Kalapana.  However, HDOT still owns the right of way.  Parts of the old highway have been replaced by an unnumbered county road, which briefly was operated as a toll road, but now is open to vehicle traffic on a free but limited basis depending on whether there's any nearby lava flows into the ocean to draw tourist traffic. 
my Hot Springs and Highways pages, with links to my roads sites:
http://www.alaskaroads.com/home.html

dfwtbear

Texas Hwy 87 travels over the Galveston-Port Bolivar Ferry. Also there is a section still designated as Hwy 87 that is washed out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Highway_87_(Texas)

geocachingpirate

Quote from: Thing 342 on June 30, 2013, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 30, 2013, 08:41:34 AM
The Hatteras—Ocracoke and Ocracoke—Cedar Island ferries are considered part of NC-12's route, although the ferries don't bear route shields. The ferries are the only connection (unless you fly or take a private boat) between Ocracoke and the rest of the state.

I believe NC 45 uses the Ocracoke-Swan Quarter ferry. Also, NC 615 uses the Currituck-Knotts Island Ferry. Neither have shields on the boats.

NC 306 uses ferries twice across the Neuse River and the Pamlico River.
Dave Thompson (Facebook poster on The Charlotte Observer)-
"They should have a ceremonial opening at which all employees of the NCDOT must wear paper bags over their heads."

Mapmikey

Along the lines of gov't facilities, there is NC 172 (no idea if signs are still up within the closed part, but it was fully posted while open to everyone).

Virginia used to have a couple of Military base ones: VA 31 was not officially removed from the state system within Camp Peary 'til well after WW2.  Also, VA 278 used to be defined as being through Langley (wit a gap) for 4 years until it was cancelled in 1946.

Here is  state-maintained SR 645 in Virginia with a non-driveable segment in McDowell off US 250:



Mapmikey

agentsteel53

Quote from: ChoralScholar on July 02, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
That is awesome.  That's the very picture I remember.  So, is that the Arkansas River crossing south of Morrilton, or is that the White River crossing north of Mountain View?

unfortunately, I have no info about the picture - what you see is the entirety of what I know.  I don't even know what date, other than that it is a 1961-spec sign, and Bugo can probably tell us the year, make, and model of the car being ferried.  my guess is ~1970 based on the vehicle's style.

I wonder what the white sign is on the left?  probably regulatory - no fishing off ferry??
live from sunny San Diego.

http://shields.aaroads.com

jake@aaroads.com

Urban Prairie Schooner

LA 1141 has been isolated from the state highway system since Hurricane Rita caused the closure of the Monkey Island ferry at Cameron. This ferry was controversial in the past since it was a state-run ferry that basically served only a few private residences on the island. Were it still in service today, there would be no way DOTD would continue to operate it, seeing that the state seems to want to get out of the ferry business altogether.

Technically the route is presumably still driveable, but from a practical perspective this is true only if you also have your own personal ferry boat or flying car.

formulanone

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 30, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
I remember seeing an old photo of a ferry somewhere in Arkansas that had a reassurance shield literally on the ferry.

I dug up the photo and put it on the shield gallery.



I just want to quote this because it's awesome.

ChoralScholar

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 02, 2013, 01:04:40 PM
Quote from: ChoralScholar on July 02, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
That is awesome.  That's the very picture I remember.  So, is that the Arkansas River crossing south of Morrilton, or is that the White River crossing north of Mountain View?

unfortunately, I have no info about the picture - what you see is the entirety of what I know.  I don't even know what date, other than that it is a 1961-spec sign, and Bugo can probably tell us the year, make, and model of the car being ferried.  my guess is ~1970 based on the vehicle's style.

I wonder what the white sign is on the left?  probably regulatory - no fishing off ferry??

It would likely be the White River ferry, then, because there's been a bridge over the Arkansas River south of Morrilton for quite some time.

There is one other water crossing on AR-9, over the Little Red River near Shirley (I think), but that's a small crossing.  Not big enough for a ferry of this size.
"Turn down... on the blue road...."

Quillz

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 30, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
I remember seeing an old photo of a ferry somewhere in Arkansas that had a reassurance shield literally on the ferry.

I dug up the photo and put it on the shield gallery.


Cool, that's really interesting, and that's what I was thinking about when I made the topic. Does anything else like that still exist?

briantroutman

Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 30, 2013, 02:11:34 AM
I remember seeing an old photo of a ferry somewhere in Arkansas that had a reassurance shield literally on the ferry.

I dug up the photo and put it on the shield gallery.

That has got to be somewhere in my top ten favorite roadgeek photos of all time.

Yet part of me wishes it looked something like this...


flowmotion


Bruce

All of the Washington State Ferries (WSF) routes are part of the state highway system in Washington. WA-339 was a passenger-only ferry from Seattle to Vashon Island until the service was stopped in 2006. The ferry itself was sold in 2011 to a ferry operator in Tanzania and sank the following year. (Source)
Wikipedia - TravelMapping (100% of WA SRs)

Photos

JMoses24

Kentucky State Route 169 in Madison and Jessamine counties has the Valley View Ferry over the Kentucky River. SR 169 then continues southbound to Richmond and northbound toward Versailles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Route_169
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_View_Ferry

As an aside the ferry is actually closed down right this moment due to flooding on the river -- a problem for many routes like this.