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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2775 on: February 02, 2023, 11:21:40 PM »

Yup, exactly. Going to NYSTA seems to be easier said than done - I'm not sure they have anything publicly available other than what's been shared to NYSDOT.
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« Reply #2776 on: February 03, 2023, 07:15:51 AM »

Yup, exactly. Going to NYSTA seems to be easier said than done - I'm not sure they have anything publicly available other than what's been shared to NYSDOT.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2777 on: February 03, 2023, 02:10:34 PM »

Yup, exactly. Going to NYSTA seems to be easier said than done - I'm not sure they have anything publicly available other than what's been shared to NYSDOT.
Aren't public authorities fun?
NYSTA is a public benefit corporation
As far as I understand, that means they behave like a private corporation when they need to, and as public authority when they want to....
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2778 on: February 03, 2023, 03:55:49 PM »

Yup, exactly. Going to NYSTA seems to be easier said than done - I'm not sure they have anything publicly available other than what's been shared to NYSDOT.
Aren't public authorities fun?
NYSTA is a public benefit corporation
As far as I understand, that means they behave like a private corporation when they need to, and as public authority when they want to....
What's the A in NYSTA stand for again? :D
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2779 on: February 03, 2023, 04:59:13 PM »

Yup, exactly. Going to NYSTA seems to be easier said than done - I'm not sure they have anything publicly available other than what's been shared to NYSDOT.
Aren't public authorities fun?
NYSTA is a public benefit corporation
As far as I understand, that means they behave like a private corporation when they need to, and as public authority when they want to....
What's the A in NYSTA stand for again? :D
Isn't it fun when authority is actually a corporation?
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« Reply #2780 on: February 28, 2023, 08:48:31 PM »

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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2781 on: February 28, 2023, 09:16:28 PM »

Notwithstanding the Thruway being a public benefit corporation, I will be shocked if they are exempt from FOIL.  Now, whether one actually wants to pay to have a request fulfilled . . .
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2782 on: March 01, 2023, 03:52:25 PM »

Why does closer to New York City, the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge appear on mileage signs? From Albany southward itís just NYC as sole mileage control city, and then closer to the metro area the bridge starts to appear with it.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2783 on: March 01, 2023, 03:55:05 PM »

Why does closer to New York City, the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Bridge appear on mileage signs? From Albany southward itís just NYC as sole mileage control city, and then closer to the metro area the bridge starts to appear with it.
https://goo.gl/maps/TNX7vLKo3kpkGppn7
The bridge is a helpful benchmark for travelers, so I like having it on signs.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2784 on: March 01, 2023, 05:21:38 PM »

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Personally I think itís moreso for the benefit of I-287 traffic, which merged in at exit 15 just upstream of this sign and is (presumably) using the MCB to bypass New York versus continue towards it as I-87 traffic does.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2785 on: March 02, 2023, 02:09:30 PM »

^

Personally I think itís moreso for the benefit of I-287 traffic, which merged in at exit 15 just upstream of this sign and is (presumably) using the MCB to bypass New York versus continue towards it as I-87 traffic does.

White Plains should be used instead.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2786 on: March 02, 2023, 02:36:54 PM »

^

Personally I think itís moreso for the benefit of I-287 traffic, which merged in at exit 15 just upstream of this sign and is (presumably) using the MCB to bypass New York versus continue towards it as I-87 traffic does.

White Plains should be used instead.
The bridge is on both I-87 and I-287 though. White Plains is only on I-287.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2787 on: April 11, 2023, 05:38:38 PM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html

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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2788 on: April 13, 2023, 01:12:09 AM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html



It still blows my mind that the larger facilities that were built from scratch in the early 1990s were ripped down at barely 30 years old. I can see the few old facilities from the 50s being replaced, but the ones from the 90s? Complete waste of money.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2789 on: April 13, 2023, 02:30:33 AM »

If they really cared about user experience then theyíd widen the damned thing to six lanes.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2790 on: April 13, 2023, 06:32:14 AM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html



It still blows my mind that the larger facilities that were built from scratch in the early 1990s were ripped down at barely 30 years old. I can see the few old facilities from the 50s being replaced, but the ones from the 90s? Complete waste of money.
There is some backstage information, and if that is true - things are very ... Newyorkish.
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614250204254208?s=21&t=y732DGKg3Dk5dv5QCjflOQ
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614282882064385?s=21&t=fM5R_Rble2S1Y8VKrk8uDA
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2791 on: April 13, 2023, 08:14:20 AM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html



It still blows my mind that the larger facilities that were built from scratch in the early 1990s were ripped down at barely 30 years old. I can see the few old facilities from the 50s being replaced, but the ones from the 90s? Complete waste of money.
There is some backstage information, and if that is true - things are very ... Newyorkish.
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614250204254208?s=21&t=y732DGKg3Dk5dv5QCjflOQ
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614282882064385?s=21&t=fM5R_Rble2S1Y8VKrk8uDA


I'm not sure what the PTC did on the Turnpike for its renovations but nearly all of them were much smaller than the Thruway locations (either they were 1940s buildings or modeled after them).  In the case of the Thruway, it sounds like they weren't making them all uniform in size but keeping different size ones, so remodeling might have made some sense.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2792 on: April 13, 2023, 10:03:36 AM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html



It still blows my mind that the larger facilities that were built from scratch in the early 1990s were ripped down at barely 30 years old. I can see the few old facilities from the 50s being replaced, but the ones from the 90s? Complete waste of money.
There is some backstage information, and if that is true - things are very ... Newyorkish.
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614250204254208?s=21&t=y732DGKg3Dk5dv5QCjflOQ
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614282882064385?s=21&t=fM5R_Rble2S1Y8VKrk8uDA


I'm not sure what the PTC did on the Turnpike for its renovations but nearly all of them were much smaller than the Thruway locations (either they were 1940s buildings or modeled after them).  In the case of the Thruway, it sounds like they weren't making them all uniform in size but keeping different size ones, so remodeling might have made some sense.
Thruway did have several different building designs and sizes. Not all of them were best fit, obviously, and they could use a facelift (show me the building which doesn't need one!).
Yet, many people thought those buildings were in reasonable shape. Now a professional hired to do evaluations says that buildings were in reasonable shape - but someone above was hell bent on total rebuild.  It could make some sense for a new contractor to start things from scratch, though...
Now, it sounds like new builds are not adequate for the purpose; were  deliberately designed in expensive way; and contractor runs out of money and wants state bailout, despite contractually responsible for the scenario.
I, for one, doubt that operational profit is the driving force for the new plaza operator. For one, previous operator terminated operations when contract expired  at the end of 2022. Kitchen equipment was removed at areas which were slated to close later, and cold wraps are available now. Not that McD serves great food,  but those McDs were still running full steam.
ANd now government bailout - and no services as an alternative, I assume.

Pure speculation, of course,  but looks like they made enough campaign donations to ensure they get the contract they wanted - but not (yet) enough to  secure bailout...
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2793 on: April 21, 2023, 09:31:33 PM »

 $61.8 million pavement improvement project on a four-mile stretch of the New England Thruway (I-95) in the Bronx and Westchester County is underway. It includes the rehabilitation of 11 bridges and the replacement of the superstructures of two pedestrian bridges.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-start-618-million-pavement-improvement-and-bridge-rehabilitation?fbclid=IwAR3Q8IgsSBPVzKDb2a16-xjnkTloLgs7riH6ztZMRStlredbzdD7bWTol8M

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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2794 on: May 09, 2023, 01:54:06 PM »

A fairly interesting overview of Thruway engineering conditions and financial situation:
https://tripnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/TRIP_New_York_Thruway_Report_May_2023.pdf

I wonder if more toll hikes are in the plans. Debt service exceeding maintenance spending isn't a very healthy situation when almost half of the pavement is in "poor" condition, and original bridges coming close to life expectancy.... 
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2795 on: May 09, 2023, 03:01:23 PM »

A fairly interesting overview of Thruway engineering conditions and financial situation:
https://tripnet.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/TRIP_New_York_Thruway_Report_May_2023.pdf

I wonder if more toll hikes are in the plans. Debt service exceeding maintenance spending isn't a very healthy situation when almost half of the pavement is in "poor" condition, and original bridges coming close to life expectancy....

Errors (or lack of understanding) are immediately apparent. Chart 2 lists the six busiest "interchanges" from 2019 yet three of them are end points of the ticket systems (15-Woodbury, 50-Williamsville, and 55-Lackawanna and they are listed in that table with those names which are the plaza names the Thruway used then, not the names of the exits (interchanges) of those numbers.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2796 on: June 22, 2023, 11:21:48 AM »

Are trips between 24 and 25A supposed to show up on your EZ-Pass history or do they not show up since there's no toll? I was recently in the East and had my EZ-Pass in a rental car. A trip from 27 to 34A showed up as expected three days later (so I know I it was reading correctly in the rental car) but a trip 11 days ago from 25A to 24 has not shown up.
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« Reply #2797 on: June 22, 2023, 01:07:19 PM »

^ Tolls involving anywhere from 24-26 take a REALLY long time to post due to how they placed the gantries in the area; NYSTA has to guess whether you used exit 25A or not.  It should show up as a $0.00 charge from 25A to 24 within the next few days.
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« Reply #2798 on: June 26, 2023, 03:25:36 PM »

^ Tolls involving anywhere from 24-26 take a REALLY long time to post due to how they placed the gantries in the area; NYSTA has to guess whether you used exit 25A or not.  It should show up as a $0.00 charge from 25A to 24 within the next few days.

When I used my Illinois EZ-Pass, it seemed tolls from other agencies took a long time to process (mostly Thruway, occasionally others). So now that I also have a NYSTA EZ-Pass for my NY trips (for the discount - and yes, I got an "on-the-go" pass so I could get an NYSTA one rather than the PANYNJ transponders they mail to out-of-state residents), I used it in Illinois this weekend to spend down the balance (it will be pay per toll once it's spent down) and was really surprised to see everything post in under 24 hours. Meanwhile, still waiting to see that 25A to 24 trip from 15 days ago post. So now I realize that it's NYSTA that is the slow down, not the inter-agency reconciliation.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2799 on: July 04, 2023, 01:14:36 PM »

An interesting development for the Thruway rest area reconstruction project:
now state (or toll) money are needed to complete the project. Not a lot, just mere quarter billion:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-york-state-thruway-rest-stops-bailout-taxpayers/article_e33d4a6a-d48e-11ed-aeb9-8b215c14e25d.html



It still blows my mind that the larger facilities that were built from scratch in the early 1990s were ripped down at barely 30 years old. I can see the few old facilities from the 50s being replaced, but the ones from the 90s? Complete waste of money.
There is some backstage information, and if that is true - things are very ... Newyorkish.
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614250204254208?s=21&t=y732DGKg3Dk5dv5QCjflOQ
https://twitter.com/scotvega18/status/1639614282882064385?s=21&t=fM5R_Rble2S1Y8VKrk8uDA


I'm not sure what the PTC did on the Turnpike for its renovations but nearly all of them were much smaller than the Thruway locations (either they were 1940s buildings or modeled after them).  In the case of the Thruway, it sounds like they weren't making them all uniform in size but keeping different size ones, so remodeling might have made some sense.
Thruway did have several different building designs and sizes. Not all of them were best fit, obviously, and they could use a facelift (show me the building which doesn't need one!).
Yet, many people thought those buildings were in reasonable shape. Now a professional hired to do evaluations says that buildings were in reasonable shape - but someone above was hell bent on total rebuild.  It could make some sense for a new contractor to start things from scratch, though...
Now, it sounds like new builds are not adequate for the purpose; were  deliberately designed in expensive way; and contractor runs out of money and wants state bailout, despite contractually responsible for the scenario.
I, for one, doubt that operational profit is the driving force for the new plaza operator. For one, previous operator terminated operations when contract expired  at the end of 2022. Kitchen equipment was removed at areas which were slated to close later, and cold wraps are available now. Not that McD serves great food,  but those McDs were still running full steam.
ANd now government bailout - and no services as an alternative, I assume.

Pure speculation, of course,  but looks like they made enough campaign donations to ensure they get the contract they wanted - but not (yet) enough to  secure bailout...

Say what you will about McDonalds, they are at least open all seven days a week. This rest stop project is unnecessary especially since some of them were not even that old.
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